Your Views on The Trinity

[FreeInChrist]

God is never called a Trinity. No passage states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, persons in one essence or godhead. When controversies regarding God arose, the apostles never cleared the air and explained that God is a trinity.

Rather, they explained that God is entirely distinct from Jesus.

I never said he wasn't. Each has their own attributes and jobs....

Try this for an example.

A church can have three ministers, as many churches benefit from having multiple pastors or ministers to provide spiritual leadership and care for the congregation. This arrangement is supported by examples in the New Testament where multiple pastors served individual local churches.

Each would be Pastor, but not just one person.

Acts 2:22, 36
“Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles... God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Acts 3:13
“The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.”

1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”

 

[TomL]

Picking out verses from different contexts and gluing them all together isn't how exegesis works. Your conclusions about what these verses means is not ever repeated in the Bible. This is a pathetic attempt at persuasion, especially since it is bluntly stated the Father is the one and only true God. There are no statements or descriptions about the trinity. You're imagining something that isn't there.

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

 

[Runningman]

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

Scientologists and Mormons do the same things with their doctrines. They cut and paste verses together and suddenly they come up with funny ideas like writing their name on their underwear, baptism for dead people, being an immortal spirit who pre-existed their human birth, being the god of their own planet, etc. This is how cults are formed and it is called eisegesis. When the pen met the paper, no one actually explained God is who you claim He is. This means your interpretation is false. Not only is it false, but you are attempting to contradict the Bible that explicitly states the Father is the one and only true God. Begin with this foundational fact and when you are ready we can address all of your misapplications of Scripture.

 

[TomL]

Scientologists and Mormons do the same things with their doctrines. They cut and paste verses together and suddenly they come up with funny ideas like writing their name on their underwear, baptism for dead people, being an immortal spirit who pre-existed their human birth, being the god of their own planet, etc. This is how cults are formed and it is called eisegesis. When the pen met the paper, no one actually explained God is who you claim He is. This means your interpretation is false. Not only is it false, but you are attempting to contradict the Bible that explicitly states the Father is the one and only true God. Begin with this foundational fact and when you are ready we can address all of your misapplications of Scripture.

You did not address the verses

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

 

[Runningman]

You did not address the verses

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

On the matter of proper exegesis, beginning with John 1:1, we should draw as much information about the Word as possible from Scripture and not ignore any of it. So we have apostle John on record calling the Word a thing in 1 John 1:1-3 so we know right off the bat that the Word is not literally God. How do we reconcile the Word being God with the Word not being God at the very same time? The particular translation you provided of John 1:1 proves that John was writing about the Word poetically in a way in line with Hebrew poetry. Thus the Word is being personified as something godly, hence in the Greek he went out of his way to distinguish the Word from The God. In other words, the Word is not The God according to John. The Word is a thing, as the very word itself means words, statements, a speech, etc. You can think of the Word as God's plans in His foresight and foreknowledge manifesting His will, and thus we have Jesus being created in John 1:14 because God creates by speaking words.

 

[TomL]

On the matter of proper exegesis, beginning with John 1:1, we should draw as much information about the Word as possible from Scripture and not ignore any of it. So we have apostle John on record calling the Word a thing in 1 John 1:1-3 so we know right off the bat that the Word is not literally God. How do we reconcile the Word being God with the Word not being God at the very same time? The particular translation you provided of John 1:1 proves that John was writing about the Word poetically in a way in line with Hebrew poetry. Thus the Word is being personified as something godly, hence in the Greek he went out of his way to distinguish the Word from The God. In other words, the Word is not The God according to John. The Word is a thing, as the very word itself means words, statements, a speech, etc. You can think of the Word as God's plans in His foresight and foreknowledge manifesting His will, and thus we have Jesus being created in John 1:14 because God creates by speaking words.

LOL you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

As were he, he could not create himself

The rest you do not address

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;