Your Views on The Trinity

[Runningman]

Why do you lie? John 10:17-18 show us plainly that Jesus raised Himself.

Then show the verse where Jesus came to Jesus and resurrected Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

Excellent! Then you agree that Jesus does have the full ability to raise himself from the dead. Good. That falls in line with Trinitarianism.

That's in line with Christ's kenotic state on Earth and that's perfectly in line with Trinitarianism. Thanks for pointing out all those Trinitarian truths. We appreciate it

So you finally agree that Jesus didn't resurrect himself? It's Scriptural.

 

[Runningman]

This stuff is too easy. John 10:17-18 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again."
Of course God raised Jesus AND of course Jesus raised Himself. Haven't you heard of the Trinity?
We see the Father loving His Son because of His willingness to lay down His life, but then He raises Himself and yet God raised Him.
"I and the Father are One."
And of course John 2:19-21 proves it as well.

Please show where Jesus resurrected himself. No one has found it yet.

 

[Fred]

Please show where Jesus resurrected himself. No one has found it yet.

You haven't seen it even though it was already shown to you.

 

[Runningman]

You haven't seen it even though it was already shown to you.

You guys showed me prophecies of Jesus being resurrected, but not Jesus resurrecting himself. Please explain why all of Scripture never says Jesus acted to resurrect himself, but it explicitly states that God the Father acted on Jesus to resurrect him.

 

[Fred]

You guys showed me prophecies of Jesus being resurrected

Did Jesus make a mistake?

 

[Runningman]

Did Jesus make a mistake?

The prophecies came true, but you all didn't believe John when he referred to Jesus being resurrected in the passive voice, meaning John didn't agree with you that Jesus acted on Jesus to resurrect Jesus. The Bible never states what the Trinitarian conclusion is.

John 2
19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”
20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”
21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. 22After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

 

[Fred]

The prophecies came true,

Great!

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Runningman]

Great!

Thanks for proving my point.

Yep, and then the Father resurrected Jesus. End of story.

 

[Fred]

Yep, and then the Father resurrected Jesus. End of story.

That doesn't mean "only" the Father did.

Your story was ended a long time ago.

 

[Runningman]

That doesn't mean "only" the Father did.

Your story was ended a long time ago.

Well, prove it then. Where did anyone say anything about Jesus resurrecting himself after he died?

 

[Fred]

Well, prove it then.

Already did.

 

[civic]

Yes,
The Doctrine of the Incarnation of Christ:

For example, Trinity doctrine teaches the Word was a Person that came down from heaven, and that Christ's flesh/body came from Mary.
Christ's doctrine contradicts that doctrine of the Trinity, when saying the bread/word that came down from heaven is the flesh/body of Christ.
Jn. 1:14 The word became flesh. That is what that means, the living word of God that came forth out of His mouth, by which God created all things became flesh/body.

Therefore these denominations teach created (powerless dirt) fallen sinful flesh took away the sin of the world. Yet, God required a lamb without blemish and without spot. 1 Pet. 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot." 1 Pet. 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." Christ's flesh/body/bread from heaven took away the sin of the world.

That is God's flesh and blood!

And we must remain in Christ's doctrine, taught by Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John, from the O.T., else we do not have God.

So you do not believe that the Son came from heaven where He was alongside of the Father and was sent by the Father to this earth which is taught in many places in the N.T.

 

[Peterlag]

You haven't seen it even though it was already shown to you.

There's a whole bunch of Scripture everywhere that says God raised Jesus. You choose to ignore all of them and again, there are many. You choose to use only one verse that you think means Jesus raised himself.

 

[Peterlag]

The doctrine of the trinity if real would have been a huge subject in the Bible and would have been taught if it was real. And it is not.

 

[Fred]

There's a whole bunch of Scripture everywhere that says God raised Jesus.

I agree.

You choose to ignore all of them and again,

No, I didn't - and still don't.

 

[Fred]

You choose to use only one verse that you think means Jesus raised himself.

Last I checked, John 2:19-21 is still in the Bible.

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Jun 6, 2025

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The idea of the self-resurrection of Jesus is first found in Johannine theology (Jn. 2:19, 21; 10:17, 18) (2:335, egeirō, Oepke).

Here's another:

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): The resurrection of Jesus is not described only with God as subject and Jesus as object; the vb. may be taken in rans. in the middle voice with Jesus as subject, i.e. "he arose from the dead" (e.g. Rom. 6:4, 9; 8:34, and especially in the Synoptics, Mk. 14:28; 16:6; Matt. 27:63). This change in usage shows that while the...

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[mikesw]

Last I checked, John 2:19-21 is still in the Bible.

Interesting. I will have to go and check if those verses are still in my Bible.

 

[Fred]

Interesting. I will have to go and check if those verses are still in my Bible.

The disciples believed the word Jesus had spoken, but at least two Unitarians on this forum do not (cf. John 2:22).

 

[Phoebe]

Most of the confusion regarding the number of beings composing the Godhead springs from a simple misunderstanding of the word “one.” Simply put, “one” in the Bible does not always mean numerical quantity. Depending on the Scripture, “one” can often mean unity.

We see this principle established very early in Scripture. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24 “One flesh” here does not mean that a married couple melt into one human after their wedding, but rather they are to be united into one family. Jesus prayed that the apostles would be one, saying, “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one.” John 17:22, 23

We need to keep in mind that when Moses said, “The LORD is one,” Israel was surrounded with polytheistic nations that worshiped many gods that were constantly involved in petty bickering and rivalry whereas the God who created is composed of three separate beings who are perfectly united in their mission of saving and sustaining their creatures. As the Spirit is executing the will of both the Father and Son, it is His will also.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (1 John 5:7). Granted, it is a brain exercise to grasp that one God (“He”) is also, and equally, “They.” Like one rope with three united strands, the three persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit make up the one God. Easy as A-B-C.