World = US = John 3:16
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You totally missed the point
God's love while for the whole world serves to save those that believe; those that do not believe it will not save
John 3:16–18 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Christ was given for the world but in the world you have those who will believe and those who will not
Those in the world who believe will be saved
Those in the world who will not believe will not be saved
Man must fulfill God's stated condition
John 3:16 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
brightfame52
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The same, the world God wont condemn
brightfame52
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You've missed the point. Jn 3:16-17 is a world God loved and by no means shall condemn
brightfame52
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This is making man his own saviour. The True Christ fulfilled all conditions in order to save His People from their sins.
Christ died for all
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The world he came to save
John 3:16–17 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.
John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 1:9–10 (LEB) — 9 The true light, who gives light to every person, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him, and the world did not recognize him.
Nope God saves
God's determination was to save those that believe
1 Corinthians 1:21 (LEB) — 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.
civic
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And that my friend is the truth. Its really just that simple and written in black and white. Its a matter of believing and receiving which saves or unbelief and rejection of the gospel which condemns. His atonement is provided for everyone without exception. TULIP crumbles apart from Jesus teaching in that passage.
jeremiah1five
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If God does not condemn those for whom Christ did not die (non-Hebrew Gentiles) then they will never be redeemed. One must first be deemed (covenant Israel) before they can be RE-deemed. It's that simple.
brightfame52
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The Christ of scripture died specifically for all His Sheep, equivalent to Gods elect. You go beyond that, you have a false gospel sir.
brightfame52
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You make conditions man must meet, thats the exaltation of man, making him his own saviour.
brightfame52
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The world Christ died for isnt condemned, not ever, the world He didnt die for is condemn, ethniciy isnt even a factor
civic
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nope you are equivocating as its Gods requirement/condition that must be met by man to be saved.
1- man believes- becomes a believer
2- God saves- He is the Savior
3- God saves the man/woman who believes in the Son via the gospel.
Bible Soteriology 101.
hope this helps !!!
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Lets take heed to this lovely reminder .
take note it says all who BELIEVE in HIM will NOT perish but will have Eternal life .
And what did JESUS himself say to those who would not believe .
He who BELIEVES NOT is CONDEMNED already ..............
Let us keep that in mind the next time a so called finding common ground interfaither gets up
Cause i watched the popes so called love message to them lost religoins . Believe you me , it was not love
And it darn sure didnt come OF GOD . GOD testified of the SON .
The pope said WE ALL coming to GOD , hindus , muslims , buddists and etc , no religion is better than any others .
ME smells an anti christ broad road love getting pumped to the masses . And sheep dont buy a lie
we have bought the truth and shall sell her NOT .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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But sir , dear sir what about those who beleive not .
And JESUS said HE who believes not IS CONDEMEND arleady for HE has not beleived in the name of the only begotton son o God .
That sure dont sound like what pope francis said to all them poor lost religions .
Hims said WE all coming to GOD in our own way , our religion is no better than anyone elses .
Muslims , hindus and laws knows what else are coming to GOD . REALLY .
Last time i checked he who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave OF THE SON , that BE JESUS THE CHRIST ,
is not coming to GOD their own way , THEY CALLING HIM A LIAR .
now does a man who flat out calls GOD a liar sound like they in good shoes . YEAH , ME NO THINKEY SO .
SO its time again for the church to march forward , not fearing man , not fearing to offend , not trying to be inclusive and diverse ,
BUT RATHER proclaming the aboslute dire necessity to actually BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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JESUS said IF THEY BELIEVE NOT , however THEY are condemned . UNLESS ya wanna call HIM a liar as do pope francis and scores of others .
John said He who BELIEVES NOT the testimony GOD gave of the SON
BE CALLING GOD A LIAR . yes you heard that right , A LIAR . AINT NO TRUTH IN THEM .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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He who hears us IS OF GOD
HE who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD . who here wants to call JOHN the liar
DO remember JESUS himself actually says this first . AND we sure dont wanna call him a LIAR .
ENOUGH with this false all inclusive fake love huge road to GOD , IT DONT EXIST . the broad path
AINT THE PATH to GOD . CHRIST JESUS IS and YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
HE who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD . who here wants to call JOHN the liar
DO remember JESUS himself actually says this first . AND we sure dont wanna call him a LIAR .
ENOUGH with this false all inclusive fake love huge road to GOD , IT DONT EXIST . the broad path
AINT THE PATH to GOD . CHRIST JESUS IS and YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Behold was last seen feb fourteenth .
Sure hope he did not overindulge in the sweets and was hospitalized .
Has anyone seen or heard from him .
Sure hope he did not overindulge in the sweets and was hospitalized .
Has anyone seen or heard from him .
brightfame52
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Requirement ? Jesus met all requirements and conditions for the salvation of Gods People, more exalting man as his own saviour
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