World = US = John 3:16

[jeremiah1five]

Noone was reconciled to God by Christ until He died on the Cross.

So, when we read John 3:16, that says that God so loved the WORLD...

And when we read 2 Corinthians 5:19, that was written by the "Apostle to the GENTILES" who said that God was in Christ reconciling the World back to God...

That is obviously teaching more then just "for the Jews".

The practice of the yearly Day of Atonement says otherwise.
That's why Israel sacrificed animals yearly for the sins of the children of Israel until the salvation of the Jews can be done permanently by Jesus for the sins of the children of Israel.
Only.

 

[Behold]

The practice of the yearly Day of Atonement says otherwise.

If the blood of bulls and goats and doves could remove sin, then Jesus didnt have to come down here to die for yours on The Cross.

Do you understand?

Hebrews..
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:]

"IF" = (had it been possible)

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of ETERNAL inheritance.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Adding your thoughts to scripture

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jews do not appear in that verse

They do appear here with gentiles

Galatians 3:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Taking doctrine from an interpretation will lead to error, which is what you've done for yourself.
Being in Christ ("anointing") is not the same as being in covenant if one is Gentile. They are two different things.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If the blood of bulls and goats and doves could remove sin, then Jesus didnt have to come down here to die for yours on The Cross.

Do you understand?

Hebrews..
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:]

"IF" = (had it been possible)

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of ETERNAL inheritance.

So your "IF" means there was no actual covering of Israel's sins and God lied when animals were sacrificed. It was real blood and God said the life is in the blood.

 

[e v e]

So where is it?

I do not believe one should argue for a viewpoint and not produce evidence in support of it

An unsupported view really deserves no attention

all the chapters must all be studied again by you if you really care about this subject.
your opinion of what deserves attention is not relevant to anything.

 

[e v e]

You posted this, and it makes no sense.

""""no. the current human race concept and these bodies were not created by God."""""

I posted what is true. No need to quadruple quote ... here it is again.

the current human race concept and these bodies were not created by God.

God did not create this earth or those bodies. Referring to human beings
as if that meant 'on this earth and in these bodies' does not have anything
to do with the body made by God given to us in Eden paradise
in the other reality.

Eden paradise in the other reality is our land, not this earth.

 

[TomL]

Taking doctrine from an interpretation will lead to error, which is what you've done for yourself.
Being in Christ ("anointing") is not the same as being in covenant if one is Gentile. They are two different things.

That is an absurd comment. The only way you can make doctrine is by correctly interpreting all of scripture

you however ignored the New covenant data

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jews do not appear in that verse

They do appear here with gentiles

Galatians 3:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[TomL]

all the chapters must all be studied again by you if you really care about this subject.
your opinion of what deserves attention is not relevant to anything.

You will never convince anyone by refusing to provide evidence

 

[TomL]

Good luck with that.

I got scripture so I do not need luck

Ephesians 2:13–22 (KJV 1900) — 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Romans 9:23–25 (KJV 1900) — 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

That would be the gentiles and that appears in the Old Testament contrary to your claim

Hosea 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; And I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; And they shall say, Thou art my God.

 

[e v e]

You will never convince anyone by refusing to provide evidence

It's not my job 'to convince'. Only God will decide who to convince.

 

[Candle]

I posted what is true. No need to quadruple quote ... here it is again.

the current human race concept and these bodies were not created by God.

God did not create this earth or those bodies. Referring to human beings
as if that meant 'on this earth and in these bodies' does not have anything
to do with the body made by God given to us in Eden paradise
in the other reality.

Eden paradise in the other reality is our land, not this earth.

Have you read the Bible? on the first line on the first page it says

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 

[TomL]

It's not my job 'to convince'. Only God will decide who to convince.

Then why post?

 

[e v e]

Then why post?

I'm sharing what I understand. This is a social forum not an academic journal or symposium.

 

[e v e]

Have you read the Bible? on the first line on the first page it says

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Just not 'this one.'

 

[jeremiah1five]

That is an absurd comment. The only way you can make doctrine is by correctly interpreting all of scripture

you however ignored the New covenant data

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jews do not appear in that verse

They do appear here with gentiles

Galatians 3:27–29 (KJV 1900) — 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Like a Gentile you rely too heavily on the letters of Saul and ignore the Torah which the Hebrew covenants and the Hebrew prophets prophesied about. But I'm guessing your knowledge of the Torah is weak if non-existence and because of this your reliance upon the Jewish writings of the New Covenant (NT) unbalances your beliefs. But you're the typical Gentile that does this. Jesus was very clear that those that do not know the Torah really do not know Christ - nor believe His Words which are in context to the Torah themselves. Jesus didn't teach anything new. He taught the Jews His Torah but you're not Jewish which explains your ignorance of the Torah.

Jesus said:

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Jn 5:46–47.

That's why you have a hard time, if not impossible time, accepting what I post from the Torah. So, I'll leave you to your biased Constantinian Gentile Protestant theology which at the beginning unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots almost immediately after Gentiles destroyed God's Temple. You see, the Temple was left unto the religious leaders 'desolate' for one main reason.
Jesus Christ wasn't in it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I got scripture so I do not need luck

Ephesians 2:13–22 (KJV 1900) — 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Romans 9:23–25 (KJV 1900) — 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

That would be the gentiles and that appears in the Old Testament contrary to your claim

Hosea 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; And I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; And they shall say, Thou art my God.

More Constantinian Gentile heresy. Totally unmoored from true, biblical Christianity.
You don't answer my post. Scared?

 

[Candle]

Just not 'this one.'

Really? Who do you think created this one?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

 

[e v e]

Really? Who do you think created this one?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

the prince of the air, god of this world.

we left eden. God said that it would be be death.

and that is where we are, a dystopia type dungeon place literally not in our eden paradise

 

[Candle]

the prince of the air, god of this world.

we left eden. God said that it would be be death.

and that is where we are, a dystopia type dungeon place literally not in our eden paradise

Scripture doesn't say anything like that, I showed you God created Earth, I showed you Jesus created everything, so if you take what Scripture says

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

So with Hebrews 1:2 in mind do you realize who you are accusing, what you are admitting is you do not believe scripture and the creator is not your God, dust you are to dust you will return shows the body returns to the same place it was made from.

 

[TomL]

More Constantinian Gentile heresy. Totally unmoored from true, biblical Christianity.
You don't answer my post. Scared?

Laughable your post said good luck

to which I noted

I got scripture so I do not need luck

Ephesians 2:13–22 (KJV 1900) — 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Romans 9:23–25 (KJV 1900) — 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

That would be the gentiles and that appears in the Old Testament contrary to your claim

Hosea 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; And I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; And they shall say, Thou art my God.

contrary to your racial bias

Galatians 3:26–29 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Christians are Abraham's seed