[Deleted] why do you not come here and prove you accusations?What you believe is offensive to the Gospel. I'm not going to act like it doesn't matter.
Come here in the thread of another gospel..... https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/what-does-“another-gospel”-mean.2312/
Greetings Bob,Simple: ANYTHING other than Eph 2:8,9.
I agreed 100%~but, it is never as simple as saying what you have stated, you know that to be so, and so do most others who are students of the scriptures. The problem arises from folks not fully understanding the contents of what Paul is truly saying, as the Spirit of God intended. If one truly grasp its meaning, then that person teaches the true gospel of Jesus Christ, to the same degree that the apostles did in their days, which should be nothing less than what every sincere lover of the truth should desire to do, and labor to do with all their might.
Maybe folks should give their best attempt of the true biblical meaning of Ephesians 2: 8,9 and the surrounding context if they feel it necessary to do so. I'll start.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (that is faith ~ RB) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
In Ephesians 2:8 we have a classic example of an metonymy. The only faith that saves us legally is "the faith of Christ", for no man can have faith in God, the faith that meets the requirement of a Royal law, a faith that is produce by perfect obedience to its laws! Jesus Christ alone had the faith that honoured God's law in all points, from conception, to death, in thoughts, words, and deeds ~ and this faith alone is the means of man's free justification. This faith is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God secured for God's elect by our surety, Jesus Christ. This faith is given to us in regeneration when the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of his Son, Jesus Christ.
When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.
I could spend more time proving the metonymy in Ephesians 2:8 by the context in just before verse 8, in verses: 4-6..."But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
We were IN CHRIST from all eternity, even while he lived in this world and in his death and resurrection, which secured our redemption for us. What he did, it was as though we did it, what happen to Christ happened to us legally speaking two thousand years ago. That is the faith that is not of ourselves of Ephesians 2:8, which the apostles said it is the gift of God, thereby salvation from sin and condemnation is not of works in way possible, that man may seek to bring works into one's salvation from sin and condemnation, seeking to boast of something that he may have done to contribute to salvation.
More could be said, but enough to start this discussion.
You can start with Ephesians 2:8,9 post #367
If you are not going to act like it doesn't, then step up, and put your hardness on and let's see who is truly preaching another gospel. Mine is on, and ready.
Ephesians 6:14-19
“Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel"Mysteries that are hidden from men like you, that I have seen so far from you, which is of any spiritual food for God's very elect. Maybe for goats, they eat just about anything.
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