"Works Salvation"

[Titus]

@Titus


God sees babies as sinning in their federal head Adam, their representative, he had good understanding of right and wrong. Rom 5:12-14

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

So God burns babies in hell.
Otherwise you are saying sinners who have not believed in the gospel can be saved.
This is a contradiction.

 

[Titus]

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Who is the all?
Romans 5:12,
- Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all men
For all have sinned

Here is the all men, Brightfame52,
Romans 3:9,
- What then are we better than they no, in no wise for we have before proved both jews and gentiles that they are all under sin


Paul is speaking of the all = jews and gentiles.
No babies are in the context of Romans chapter 5.
All of Jewish and Gentile men.

Romans 5:12,
- wherefore as by one man sin entered the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all Jews and Gentile men for all have sinned


You cannot include babies because it is not in the context.

Since you teach all recieve the imputation of Adam's sin.
And by this inherited sin is the origin of our sinful nature.

You can explain to me why Adam sinned?
Where did his sinful nature originate from?

Since Adam is our father.
And we inherit his nature to sin, supposedly.
Then where did Adam inherit his nature to sin?
You know God is Adam's Father.

 

[brightfame52]

So God burns babies in hell.
Otherwise you are saying sinners who have not believed in the gospel can be saved.
This is a contradiction.

They sinned in adam as a grown man, so they will go to hell as grown

 

[brightfame52]

Who is the all?
Romans 5:12,
- Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all men
For all have sinned

Here is the all men, Brightflame52,
Romans 3:9,
- What then are we better than they no, in no wise for we have before proved both jews and gentiles that they are all under sin


Paul is speaking of the all = jews and gentiles.
No babies are in the context of Romans chapter 5.
All of Jewish and Gentile men.

Romans 5:12,
- wherefore as by one man sin entered the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all Jews and Gentile men for all have sinned


You cannot include babies because it is not in the context.

Since you teach all recieve the imputation of Adam's sin.
And by this inherited sin is the origin of our sinful nature.

You can explain to me why Adam sinned?
Where did his sinful nature originate from?

Since Adam is our father.
And we inherit his nature to sin, supposedly.
Then where did Adam inherit his nature to sin?
You know God is Adam's Father.

All have sinned in Adam, jews or gentiles

 

[Titus]

All have sinned in Adam, jews or gentiles

Good, nowhere does the context allow babies. Men of Jews and gentiles is Paul's audience.
You added babies to Paul's teaching.

 

[Titus]

They sinned in adam as a grown man, so they will go to hell as grown

Did you forget in your religion they are sinful at birth?

 

[Titus]

All have sinned in Adam, jews or gentiles

Answer my question,
Where did Adam get his sinful nature to sin against God?

 

[brightfame52]

Good, nowhere does the context allow babies. Men of Jews and gentiles is Paul's audience.
You added babies to Paul's teaching.

Yeah, they sinned in Adam, they were still considered men. When Eve had cain she called him a man, but he was a baby Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

Did you forget in your religion they are sinful at birth?

What do you mean ? Everybody sinned in adam, so everyone is born a sinner duh

 

[brightfame52]

Answer my question,
Where did Adam get his sinful nature to sin against God?

A stupid question, he got from his CREATOR

 

[Titus]

When Eve had cain she called him a man, but he was a baby Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord

Out of context again

We are discussing jews and gentile men, Romans 5:12,

There were no jews or gentiles at the time of Cain.
You cannot leave the context by introducing some other person outside of jews/gentles.

This shows you are sloppy with context.

What do you mean ? Everybody sinned in adam, so everyone is born a sinner duh

Bible doesn't teach this. If you mean Adam's sin is imputed to all, not so.

A stupid question, he got from his CREATOR

Wow, so Gods nature was imputed to Adam and by Adam having Gods nature he sinned.

Well a so called "stupid question" deserves a stupid answer I reckon.

 

[brightfame52]

Out of context again

We are discussing jews and gentile men, Romans 5:12,

There were no jews or gentiles at the time of Cain.
You cannot leave the context by introducing some other person outside of jews/gentles.

This shows you are sloppy with context.


Bible doesn't teach this. If you mean Adam's sin is imputed to all, not so.


Wow, so Gods nature was imputed to Adam and by Adam having Gods nature he sinned.

Well a so called "stupid question" deserves a stupid answer I reckon.

Sorry fellow, men enter the world as babies, having already sinned in their head Adam

 

[Titus]

Sorry fellow, men enter the world as babies, having already sinned in their head Adam

Empty claim.
Maybe if you type this enough times it will become true?

 

[Titus]

Sorry fellow, men enter the world as babies, having already sinned in their head Adam

Again we are right back to my question.
That implies babies are sinners therefore babies burn in hell.
Unless you want to use a contradiction and say they being in sin die and go to heaven?

 

[brightfame52]

Empty claim.
Maybe if you type this enough times it will become true?

Its empty to you, but you have been shown the Truth and will be held accountable

 

[Titus]

Its empty to you, but you have been shown the Truth and will be held accountable

You have given no explanation.
Quote the verse that teaches babies are born sinfull, wicked God hating degenerate reprobates ?
Show with Scripture that babies have a innate totally depraved sinful nature.
You have not given any evidence for your calvinist interpretation of the word.

 

[Titus]

Its empty to you, but you have been shown the Truth and will be held accountable

I cant believe you said Adam was given the nature to sin against God by His Father.
Do you not understand the things you say?
That implies God purposed for Adam to commit wickedness.
That makes God a partaker in evil.
You are very confused Sir.

 

[Titus]

Its empty to you, but you have been shown the Truth and will be held accountable

Remember your doctrine, unconditional election?
I wont be held accountable if I'm in the elect.
Nothing I can say or do will change my eternal destination.
Remember?

 

[brightfame52]

You have given no explanation.
Quote the verse that teaches babies are born sinfull, wicked God hating degenerate reprobates ?
Show with Scripture that babies have a innate totally depraved sinful nature.
You have not given any evidence for your calvinist interpretation of the word.

Oh yeah I have, you reject it, but you are accountable.

 

[brightfame52]

I cant believe you said Adam was given the nature to sin against God by His Father.
Do you not understand the things you say?
That implies God purposed for Adam to commit wickedness.
That makes God a partaker in evil.
You are very confused Sir.

Its a lot of things you dont believe.