Women in Ministry

[101G]

To all,
scenario: if one was Married and had a wife with children and then his wife and children became deceased. do he still stay in the bishop position? if so post scripture to that effect.

is one getting the picture as to how silly the qualification of bishop is if applied to everyone as 1 Timothy 3:2 states?

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

NO, 101G is not Married...... Widowed.

Widowed: "having lost one's spouse by death and not married again". so that means if 101G was a Bishop, now Widowed 101G can no Longer be a Bishop ...... right? ....... (smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh dear.

101G.

Were you ever as a married the "husband of one wifey?" Because that is the requirement set by the Almighty.
You're not going to turn and tell me God is female, are you? If you don't I'd be disappointed. When a person has one heresy there are usually multiple heresies following right behind.
C'mon Dear G.
Wait! You're 101 years old? 101G?
Cool.

 

[jeremiah1five]

To all,
scenario: if one was Married and had a wife with children and then his wife and children became deceased. do he still stay in the bishop position? if so post scripture to that effect.

is one getting the picture as to how silly the qualification of bishop is if applied to everyone as 1 Timothy 3:2 states?

101G.

If a man/husband is chosen (hand-vote, even hand-picked) is an overseer of a home fellowship and has met all qualifications and yet loses their wife while serving it would not disqualify them from continuing service as a divorcee'. Nor would they be prevented from finding love and relationship with another rib (LOL) in the future.
The Pharisee and rabbi Saul patterned the Jewish home Church with elders (over age 50 or 55) after the Temple practice because such who have children have already overseen a 'flock' in their own homes. It's just a small step to do so with a home fellowship which was what they were chosen to do.
<---- jeremiah is single.

 

[101G]

Were you ever as a married the "husband of one wifey?" Because that is the requirement set by the Almighty.

ERROR, God do not set qualifications in DESIRES. he ENABLES who he choses.

You're not going to turn and tell me God is female, are you?

Why even ask that? .... (smile).....

When a person has one heresy there are usually multiple heresies following right behind.

WRONG. a heresy is a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

101G has only one belief, and it's not contrary to God spoken Word. ..... (smile).

C'mon Dear G.
Wait! You're 101 years old? 101G?
Cool.

Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, (who is 101 years old... ), even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

when you're caught up in age with 101G .... then U can have your senses also exercised to discern both good and evil. until then follow the Leader...... YIKES! ....

101G. that's in Experience.... (smile)

 

[101G]

If a man/husband is chosen (hand-vote, even hand-picked) is an overseer of a home fellowship and has met all qualifications and yet loses their wife while serving it would not disqualify them from continuing service as a divorcee'. Nor would they be prevented from finding love and relationship with another rib (LOL) in the future.

nonsense. OVERSEERS are made. Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
hand voted, hand picked?.... 101G guess you will get the weegee/Ouija board, or the Tarot cards out next.....

The Pharisee and rabbi Saul patterned the Jewish home Church with elders (over age 50 or 55)

we have told you Judaism is dead, and over with. ..... (smile), lol, we care less with the Pharisee, and so-called rabbi, whoever patterned any home after. only after Christ Jesus.

after the Temple practice because such who have children have already overseen a 'flock' in their own homes. It's just a small step to do so with a home fellowship which was what they were chosen to do.

as said temple practice is ........ "OVER WITH". lol, lol, lol, Oh dear, when will they get out of those old ways... that are DEAD.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

ERROR, God do not set qualifications in DESIRES. he ENABLES who he choses.

Why even ask that? .... (smile).....

WRONG. a heresy is a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

101G has only one belief, and it's not contrary to God spoken Word. ..... (smile).

Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, (who is 101 years old... ), even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

when you're caught up in age with 101G .... then U can have your senses also exercised to discern both good and evil. until then follow the Leader...... YIKES! ....

101G. that's in Experience.... (smile)

Don't start with me.
Changing God's word doesn't make it right.
A woman cannot be a bishop or overseer of a fellowship.
It didn't happen in the Sanhedrin, and it doesn't happen in Jewish Churches.

 

[jeremiah1five]

nonsense. OVERSEERS are made. Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
hand voted, hand picked?.... 101G guess you will get the weegee/Ouija board, or the Tarot cards out next.....

Speaking to men, darling.

we have told you Judaism is dead, and over with. ..... (smile), lol, we care less with the Pharisee, and so-called rabbi, whoever patterned any home after. only after Christ Jesus.

Saul was a Pharisee. Throw him to the curb.

as said temple practice is ........ "OVER WITH". lol, lol, lol, Oh dear, when will they get out of those old ways... that are DEAD.

101G.

No, no, dear.

There's going to be a lot of Temple activity when Revelation gets played out.

 

[101G]

Don't start with me.
Changing God's word doesn't make it right.
A woman cannot be a bishop or overseer of a fellowship.
It didn't happen in the Sanhedrin, and it doesn't happen in Jewish Churches.

well it happen in God holy Church because the first "BISHOP" at Rome was our, not yours, but our sister Phebe. yes, the First Pastor/Bishop at Rome...... (smile).

A woman cannot be a bishop or overseer of a fellowship.

personal opinion? LOL, LOL, LOL, for there is neither male/Man nor female/WOMAN in the body of the Lord Jesus. (smile)... Oh dear when will they ever learn.

101G.

 

[101G]

Speaking to men, darling.

but u are not saying anything..... (smile).

Saul was a Pharisee. Throw him to the curb.

keyword... "WAS"... lol, lol, lol, O no.... no, no, no.....

There's going to be a lot of Temple activity when Revelation gets played out.

yes, the temple, our new bodies..... YIKES!

101G

 

[101G]

Were you ever as a married the "husband of one wifey?" Because that is the requirement set by the Almighty.

as said, this is not a requirement, but a "DESIRE". just as mother Eve, "DESIRED" to be WISE..... (smile).

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

well it happen in God holy Church because the first "BISHOP" at Rome was our, not yours, but our sister Phebe. yes, the First Pastor/Bishop at Rome...... (smile).

I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. Rom. 16:1–2.

The word "servant: in verse 1 is a word from which we get "deacon." And as described in Acts 6 a deacon waited tables. This is a natural function, not a spiritual one, unless the deacon addresses sometimes the gluttony of Christians held bondage in this sin at their restaurant at an all-you-can-eat.

A deacon is someone who does a natural function, like maintenance man of a church or someone who sets out the chairs for Sunday fellowship. There is no more any spiritual necessity attached to this function or service than what is attached to the person performing the service. Remember that next time you're at a restaurant and the waitress or waiter takes your order. They perform a natural, physical function as 'deacon' or servant of the establishment. And don't forget to tip.

personal opinion? LOL, LOL, LOL, for there is neither male/Man nor female/WOMAN in the body of the Lord Jesus. (smile)... Oh dear when will they ever learn.

101G.

I just finished responding to another over the same misunderstanding of Galatians 3:28-29. Gentile Christians have blown that verse up every time they mention these statements from Saul. You take a 1st century statement meant for persons of the Hebrew culture and religion and re-interpret it with a 21st century fluster and come away with a completely different meaning than what the text says.
It's just you and your shadow taking 1st century comments from a culture so very dissimilar from western free world political thinking and philosophically changing its meaning.
I can't help you, dear. You're too far gone for me to assist in bringing you back to biblical reality.

 

[jeremiah1five]

but u are not saying anything..... (smile).

keyword... "WAS"... lol, lol, lol, O no.... no, no, no.....

I think he's retired.
Saw him on Facebook dealing with the censorship at that democratic stronghold.

yes, the temple, our new bodies..... YIKES!

101G

Both. You can't re-interpret Revelations "Temple" and make it fit into a body understanding. Nope. Not gunna do it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

as said, this is not a requirement, but a "DESIRE". just as mother Eve, "DESIRED" to be WISE..... (smile).

101G.

YOU again!
The woman desired several things and there was nothing wrong with the desire. The disobedience was in eating the apple pie God left out on the windowsill in His Garden.
It tasted sweet to the tongue but had a bitter feel in the gut.

 

[101G]

The word "servant: in verse 1 is a word from which we get "deacon." And as described in Acts 6 a deacon waited tables.

To all, and @jeremiah1five,
First ERROR of the Day for YOU, using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. Our Sister Phebe was is NOT a deacon, and here's why. Notice the word/Term used here is G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. a NOUN.
G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
1. an attendant, a servant.
2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).
[probably from an obsolete diako “to run on errands”]
KJV: deacon, minister, servant

please note definition #3. teaching, pastoring, etc.

but the OFFICE of a DEACON is G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v. which is a VERB. LISTEN and LEARN.
1 Timothy 3:10 "And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless."

here, the term/Word for the OFFICE of Deacon is
G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.
1. to be an attendant, to wait upon (menially or as a host, friend).
2. (figuratively) to serve as a teacher.
3. (technically) to act as a Christian steward (deacon).
[from G1249]
KJV: (ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon
Root(s): G1249

do you see the difference. both are spelled almost the same, but different. what our sister Phebe is G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. the Person. and NOT the G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.

understand this is where LIES and dis-information are made up. we suggest you examine the terms G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. and the term G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v. AND GO TO THE BLUE LETTER BIBLE FOR EACH PRONUNCIATION.

once you see your ERROR, then get back with 101G. remember to be human is to ERROR.

so when you get back to 101G, he will show you how the Holy Spirit alerted 101G to this dilemma.

101G.

 

[101G]

and there was nothing wrong with the desire.

Another ERROR of the Day, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." .......... YIKES!

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

To all, and @jeremiah1five,
First ERROR of the Day for YOU, using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. Our Sister Phebe was is NOT a deacon, and here's why. Notice the word/Term used here is G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. a NOUN.
G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
1. an attendant, a servant.
2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).
[probably from an obsolete diako “to run on errands”]
KJV: deacon, minister, servant

please note definition #3. teaching, pastoring, etc.

The office of pastor and "pastoring" are not the same thing. Saul asked Timothy who was a pastor and a fellowship void of an evangelist to "do the work of an evangelist." This didn't make him an evangelist.

but the OFFICE of a DEACON is G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v. which is a VERB. LISTEN and LEARN.
1 Timothy 3:10 "And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless."

here, the term/Word for the OFFICE of Deacon is
G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.
1. to be an attendant, to wait upon (menially or as a host, friend).
2. (figuratively) to serve as a teacher.
3. (technically) to act as a Christian steward (deacon).
[from G1249]
KJV: (ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon
Root(s): G1249

do you see the difference. both are spelled almost the same, but different. what our sister Phebe is G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. the Person. and NOT the G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.

The difference is in the grammar not the function. One is a noun (person, place or thing), and the other is a verb (action.)

understand this is where LIES and dis-information are made up. we suggest you examine the terms G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n. and the term G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v. AND GO TO THE BLUE LETTER BIBLE FOR EACH PRONUNCIATION.

once you see your ERROR, then get back with 101G. remember to be human is to ERROR.

so when you get back to 101G, he will show you how the Holy Spirit alerted 101G to this dilemma.

101G.

There is no dilemma. It is only manufactured in your mind.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Another ERROR of the Day, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." .......... YIKES!

101G.

Again, there is no sin in "desire." I can "desire" to win the lottery but merely desiring is not sinful. If such desire occupies my thoughts to the point of idol-worshiping the lotto or winning, then I have sinned.

 

[Lawhana]

Regarding the O.P.
We are all commanded by Jesus to carry forth the word to all who will hear & receive it .( Mark 16:15/15; Matthew 28:19)

The above does not clarify the office of appointments that Paul set forth to the new formed churches, however in comparing the church order to the head order of a household or of the body, the man and Christ are head of all.

The word says this of those whom share the words of God.......
Isiah 52:7
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Carry the good news of the gospel that brings salvation through whatever ministry the Spirit leads any in!


Be blessed

 

[101G]

The office of pastor and "pastoring" are not the same thing. Saul asked Timothy who was a pastor and a fellowship void of an evangelist to "do the work of an evangelist." This didn't make him an evangelist.

And? was not Paul an apostle, but a Pastor and Prophet also? so my statement still stands. see you got caught on Deacon.... (smile). U had no clue in the differences of Servant/Minister and deacon.

and two Pastoring is a "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit, and NOT AN OFFICE, that empower one to do the Work of Pastoring.

The difference is in the grammar not the function. One is a noun (person, place or thing), and the other is a verb (action.)

ERROR, that's your big mistake. the person that do the Work is the Lord Jesus himself, NOT YOU... lol, lol, Oh fear. as said Pastoring is a GIFT, to do a WORK.

this is why the, ... no, some local congregation are so messed up today, because of the Lack of KNOWLEDGE of the Word of God.

There is no dilemma. It is only manufactured in your mind.

no your mind, this is why God sent you the delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

did not God forewarned of this very thing? Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

DELUSION: #1. a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, as a symptom of serious mental illness:

#2. a false belief, judgment, or perception. and u walk as carnal men, yes, by "SIGHT/or Perception" 101G no longer walk by sight, but by Faith.

101G.

 

[101G]

Again, there is no sin in "desire." I can "desire" to win the lottery but merely desiring is not sinful. If such desire occupies my thoughts to the point of idol-worshiping the lotto or winning, then I have sinned.

there is no sin in eating...... until you eat too much.... (smile). and as for DESIRE, but what was the LIE behind the DESIRE? answer, Genesis 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:5 "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." and what did the woman do for that desire? answer, Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

well just keep on saying, "here is no sin in desire." ..... (smile).

101G.