Women in Ministry

[101G]

To all,
Joel just keep on giving. Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

old men? Elders in the Church,
G4850 συμπρεσβύτερος sumpresbuteros (sïm-prez-ɓï '-te-ros) n.
a co-presbyter.
[from G4862 and G4245]
KJV: presbyter, also an elder
Root(s): G4862, G4245

Now Elders,
G4245 πρεσβύτερος presbuteros (prez-ɓï '-te-ros) adj.
1. older.
2. (as noun) a senior.
3. (specially) an Israelite Sanhedrist.
4. (figuratively) member of the celestial council.
5. (Christian) “presbyter.”
[comparative of presbus “elderly”]
KJV: elder(-est), old

OLD? what did Joel say? your old men shall dream dreams. God would pour out his Spirit on the, (Christian) “presbyter.” who are OVERSEERS, that are BISHOP. supportive scripture, Acts 20:17 "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church." now verse 28 afterward, Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
Overseers: G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos (e-piy'-sko-pos) n.
1. an overseer.
2. (in genitive case) one of the co-superintendents entrusted with the well-being of a local assembly or of assemblies within a city or location.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)]
KJV: bishop, overseer
Root(s): G1909, G4649

BINGO, Joel just keep on Giving.

101G.

 

[Rowan]

God can definitely use women in Ministry no doubt about it. If there's no one around to share Jesus let me tell you what God can do.

“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.” Luke 19:40

 

[101G]

To all,
Question, the qualification/Desire of a Bishop and Deacon, if it was a qualification way was it not the same for the SEVEN chosen when the church first got started.
Acts 6:1 "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration." Acts 6:2 "Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables." Acts 6:3 "Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business."

these 7 had only 3 qualification #1. honest report. #2. full of the Holy Ghost. #3. and wisdom. 101G see none of these in 1 Timothy 3:8 except for only 1. "Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;" 1 Timothy 3:9 "Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience." 1 Timothy 3:10 "And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless." 1 Timothy 3:11 "Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things." 1 Timothy 3:12 "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well." 1 Timothy 3:13 "For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus."

as well as the bishop only 1 qualification.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Regarding the O.P.
We are all commanded by Jesus to carry forth the word to all who will hear & receive it .( Mark 16:15/15; Matthew 28:19)

The above does not clarify the office of appointments that Paul set forth to the new formed churches, however in comparing the church order to the head order of a household or of the body, the man and Christ are head of all.

Saul did not "found" the churches he wrote his letters to. They already existed as the result of newly born-again Jews who lived in Gentile lands that went to the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) and returned home and took Jesus with them and told their fellow Jews what occurred on that day. This obviously led to the salvation of other Jews and such phenomenon occurred first in the Jewish synagogues which resulted later in home fellowships.

Man, and Christ are not co-heads in either order of authority. In each order (natural and spiritual) God and His Christ are the rightful Head or Authority. There is no two-headed beast or authority in creation. Only One.

And where do you get the "ALL" command to "carry forth the word"? Where does it say that? Not everyone in the body of Christ is commanded to "carry forth the word" only those to whom the Lord has commanded. And what "word" is that?

The word says this of those whom share the words of God.......
Isiah 52:7
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Only those to whom the command is given for we are not "all" apostles in the body of Christ, nor do we "all" have the same calling.

Carry the good news of the gospel that brings salvation through whatever ministry the Spirit leads any in!


Be blessed

God is a God of order. We all do not have the same command nor calling in the body of Christ.
And to be perfectly accurate from the Scripture the body of Christ is Jewish, not Gentile. Christ saved 3000 Jews on the day of Pentecost thus fulfilling His promise to build His Church- which was founded by Jews.
Methinks thou hast a great deal to learn about this "so-great salvation."

 

[jeremiah1five]

And? was not Paul an apostle, but a Pastor and Prophet also? so my statement still stands. see you got caught on Deacon.... (smile). U had no clue in the differences of Servant/Minister and deacon.

YOU again!
Saul once did the work of a pastor but was not called to be a pastor or he wouldn't have travelled so extensively leaving the sheep behind. No true shepherd of God's people does that.

and two Pastoring is a "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit, and NOT AN OFFICE, that empower one to do the Work of Pastoring.

ERROR, that's your big mistake. the person that do the Work is the Lord Jesus himself, NOT YOU... lol, lol, Oh fear. as said Pastoring is a GIFT, to do a WORK.

this is why the, ... no, some local congregation are so messed up today, because of the Lack of KNOWLEDGE of the Word of God.

That's why your comments revealing your beliefs are messed up.

no your mind, this is why God sent you the delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

The delusion is sent to those that do not have love of the truth. Thus, they have a love of false doctrine and lies.

did not God forewarned of this very thing? Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

DELUSION: #1. a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, as a symptom of serious mental illness:

#2. a false belief, judgment, or perception. and u walk as carnal men, yes, by "SIGHT/or Perception" 101G no longer walk by sight, but by Faith.

101G.

You should heed your own advice and statements.

 

[jeremiah1five]

there is no sin in eating...... until you eat too much.... (smile). and as for DESIRE, but what was the LIE behind the DESIRE? answer, Genesis 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:5 "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." and what did the woman do for that desire? answer, Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

well just keep on saying, "here is no sin in desire." ..... (smile).

101G.

There is no sin in desire. I desire Jesus. Am I sinning?

 

[101G]

Saul did not "found" the churches he wrote his letters to. They already existed as the result of newly born-again Jews who lived in Gentile lands that went to the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) and returned home and took Jesus with them and told their fellow Jews what occurred on that day. This obviously led to the salvation of other Jews and such phenomenon occurred first in the Jewish synagogues which resulted later in home fellowships.

They was not the Churches that the Lord Jesus was building. for may still had the Mosiac Law and circumcision which was no more. as a matter of fact that had to have a council meeting to get those incorrect churches in order. so, no, those was counterfeit churches. hence the reasoning for the commissioning of the apostles by God the Lord Jesus.

101G.

 

[101G]

YOU again!
Saul once did the work of a pastor but was not called to be a pastor or he wouldn't have travelled so extensively leaving the sheep behind. No true shepherd of God's people does that.

a Diocesan Bishop/Pastor, or Elders, or General overseers do. understand a a bishop having jurisdiction over a diocese. A diocesan bishop is a senior priest in charge of the work of the Church in a city or district. thank God for the treu BUILDING of Local congregations.

please note what these Bishops/Pastors and apostle functions are..... ok.

101G.

 

[101G]

There is no sin in desire. I desire Jesus. Am I sinning?

if you DESIRE him in the wrong as Simon magus did Act 8:9-13. (smile) ..... see this is why God sent apostles. YIKES!

101G.

 

[101G]

That's why your comments revealing your beliefs are messed up.

you didn't have a clue that Pastoring was a "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit, THE LORD JESUS, did you? Pastoring is the first Gift on the List in 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" ................ " given " ... when will they ever Learn...... again this is why God SENT Apostles to straighten out the mess where some Jewish IGNORANT men and women was preaching and teaching in ERROR. no put down but just bible facts.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

They was not the Churches that the Lord Jesus was building. for may still had the Mosiac Law and circumcision which was no more. as a matter of fact that had to have a council meeting to get those incorrect churches in order. so, no, those was counterfeit churches. hence the reasoning for the commissioning of the apostles by God the Lord Jesus.

101G.

Are you talking about the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 that took place in AD 50?
You mean the council in which it was presided upon by JEWISH Christians and their remedy was instruction to uncircumcised, non-covenant Roman, Scythian, and Greek Gentiles to obey several parts of the Mosaic Law including
abstaining from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication?

That Jerusalem Council?

 

[jeremiah1five]

a Diocesan Bishop/Pastor, or Elders, or General overseers do.

As I said, a true shepherd does not leave the sheep to a hireling and present an opportunity for a wolf or wolves to get in the sheepfold. Whatever your understanding on shepherds/pastors, bishops, elders, or overseers (redundant) IT IS NOT BIBLICAL.

understand a a bishop having jurisdiction over a diocese. A diocesan bishop is a senior priest in charge of the work of the Church in a city or district. thank God for the treu BUILDING of Local congregations.

That's what the Catholic church does. So, you're presenting and upholding Catholic doctrine on the matter?
You're Catholic? Now it makes more sense to read your comments.
Busted!

please note what these Bishops/Pastors and apostle functions are..... ok.

101G.

I know what the Biblical instruction and doctrine concerning bishops, pastors, and apostles are.
You don't.

 

[jeremiah1five]

if you DESIRE him in the wrong as Simon magus did Act 8:9-13. (smile) ..... see this is why God sent apostles. YIKES!

101G.

Simon did not "desire him," He desired the 'power' to do what Peter did and that was erroneously believing he could make people speak in tongues. You are in error.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:17–19.

First, Simon himself did not receive the Holy Ghost. He SAW others receive the Holy Ghost and what he saw since the Holy Ghost was invisible was evidence of tongues. Or maybe they were 'slain in the Spirit" or some other ocular event requiring "seeing."

 

[jeremiah1five]

you didn't have a clue that Pastoring was a "GIFT" of the Holy Spirit, THE LORD JESUS, did you? Pastoring is the first Gift on the List in 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" ................ " given " ... when will they ever Learn...... again this is why God SENT Apostles to straighten out the mess where some Jewish IGNORANT men and women was preaching and teaching in ERROR. no put down but just bible facts.

101G.

No, not bible facts. Catholic error.

 

[101G]

You mean the council in which it was presided upon by JEWISH Christians

no Christians, for there are neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus. please get that in your head.

and their remedy was instruction to uncircumcised, non-covenant Roman, Scythian, and Greek Gentiles to obey several parts of the Mosaic Law including
abstaining from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication?

Acts 15:12 "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them." Acts 15:13 "And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:" Acts 15:14 "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name." Acts 15:15 "And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written," Acts 15:16 "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:" Acts 15:17 "That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things." Acts 15:18 "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." Acts 15:19 "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:" Acts 15:20 "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

YES, that Christian council ..... in Jerusalem.

101G.

 

[101G]

As I said, a true shepherd does not leave the sheep to a hireling and present an opportunity for a wolf or wolves to get in the sheepfold. Whatever your understanding on shepherds/pastors, bishops, elders, or overseers (redundant) IT IS NOT BIBLICAL.

Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
OVERSEER: G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos (e-piy'-sko-pos) n.
1. an overseer.
2. (in genitive case) one of the co-superintendents entrusted with the well-being of a local assembly or of assemblies within a city or location.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)]
KJV: bishop, overseer
Root(s): G1909, G4649

and Pastors are Overseers. and is not the Lord Jesus are in these Women and Men? Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." one more, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

That's what the Catholic church does. So, you're presenting and upholding Catholic doctrine on the matter?
You're Catholic? Now it makes more sense to read your comments.
Busted!

ERROR, how IGNORANT can one be. in choosing Matthias, to replace Judas "BISHOPPRICK" do you know what it means? answer visitation. for it is the Greek word,
G1984 ἐπισκοπή episkope (e-piy-sko-pee') n.
1. inspection (for relief).
2. (by implication) superintendence.
3. (specially) the Christian “episcopate.”
[from G1980]
KJV: the office of a “bishop,” bishoprick, visitation
Root(s): G1980

definition #1. How can one INSPECT, unless one comes? and in coming, one is in visitation this was done before the Catholic church was even much formed. THIS IS THE CONTINUAL "IGNORANCE" 101G SPEAKS OF.

I know what the Biblical instruction and doctrine concerning bishops, pastors, and apostles are.
You don't.

ok, what are they?

101G.

 

[101G]

Simon did not "desire him," He desired the 'power' to do what Peter did and that was erroneously believing he could make people speak in tongues. You are in error.

My God, he is the POWER, without him, you have no POWER, this "IGNORANCE", 101G just cannot stand it any more.

101G..

 

[101G]

to all,
Our Sister Phebe is without a doubt is a Bishop. Supportive and revealing scriptures.
Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."

Succourer: G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

so, the feminine derivative of G4291?
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
Now The connection to the Bishop work, 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)"

Rule: G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476

BINGO, there is the CONNECTION. she is a G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy)... which is the Bishop work.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

no Christians, for there are neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus. please get that in your head.

You misunderstand Saul's words in Galatians 3:29. He's writing to Jewish Christians who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now that they were followers of Christ.
He says, if you are Christ's then are you [still] Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise [God gave to Abraham and his seed and Gentiles are NOT his seed.] Nor have they ever been heirs of the promise God gave to Abraham. I grow weary of repeating myself.

Acts 15:12 "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them." Acts 15:13 "And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:" Acts 15:14 "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name." Acts 15:15 "And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written," Acts 15:16 "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:" Acts 15:17 "That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things." Acts 15:18 "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." Acts 15:19 "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:" Acts 15:20 "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

YES, that Christian council ..... in Jerusalem.

101G.

In other words, you Gentiles, OBEY THE TORAH!

 

[jeremiah1five]

to all,
Our Sister Phebe is without a doubt is a Bishop. Supportive and revealing scriptures.
Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."

Succourer: G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

so, the feminine derivative of G4291?
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
Now The connection to the Bishop work, 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)"

Rule: G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476

BINGO, there is the CONNECTION. she is a G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy)... which is the Bishop work.

101G.

She is no bishop for she cannot be the "husband of one wife" (unless you're Episcopalian where lesbians can now be the husband of one wife.)
Curious how lesbians and homosexuals reject the man-woman roles/relationship and yet in their homosexual and lesbian relationship one plays the male (dominant) and the other plays the female (submissive,)
Liars.