Women in Ministry

[101G]

ou misunderstand Saul's words in Galatians 3:29. He's writing to Jewish Christians

GINOLJC, to all.
get this through your head. there is no such animal as a " Jewish Christian". listen and Learn all Hard heads, Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

THERE IS NEITHER "JEW", NOR "GREEK". so this Jewish Christian is noesense, better known as IGNORANCE.

He says, if you are Christ's then are you [still] Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise [God gave to Abraham and his seed and Gentiles are NOT his seed.] Nor have they ever been heirs of the promise God gave to Abraham. I grow weary of repeating myself.

see above.
My God how is it these are without common sense?

101G.

 

[101G]

She is no bishop for she cannot be the "husband of one wife" (unless you're Episcopalian where lesbians can now be the husband of one wife.)

IGNORANCE is bliss. listen, Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."

see that word succourer it is the Greek word,
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

feminine of a derivative of G4291? lets see what G4291 is,
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
where is this word used as in YOUR qualification of a Bishop? answer, 1 Timothy 3:4 "One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;" 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)"

She is no bishop for she cannot be the "husband of one wife"

LOL, LOL, LOL, that's if a "MAN" .... male, DESIRE the office, who is MARRIED. then he must have only ONE WIFE, not two, and a side chick.... lol, lol, lol, Oh my. now, if a Female DESIRE the Office, and if she is Married, she must have only ONE HUSBAND, not two, and a side dude... (smile). she must, (if Married), be the Wife of ONE HUSBAND. how simple can it be. my God when is common sense going to kick in?

101G.

Curious how lesbians and homosexuals reject the man-woman roles/relationship and yet in their homosexual and lesbian relationship one plays the male (dominant) and the other plays the female (submissive,)

you stay Curious ..... lol, lol, lol, and the Lord and 101G has a scripture for that, curious? James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." so just stay Curious....... (smile).... Lol, YIKES!..... now, 101G is not without compassion. James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:8 "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded."

so keep on setting on the fence being curious, and you will become a tree stump...... (smile).... don't make it up.... look it up.

101G.

 

[Alive]

No matter what your opinion is on women in ministry in our modern day and age it's the facts of life. There are many different parts in ministry the same as there are many different parts in the body of Christ.

Women in Ministry: Four Views

‘Those who follow Jesus Christ must seek to understand his will in relation to women’s rights. Beyond the need to come to terms with the times, however, is the requirement that Christians deal justly with others regardless of race, social class or gender.’ With those words Robert G. Clouse...

www.thegospelcoalition.org

 

[101G]

No matter what your opinion is on women in ministry in our modern day and age it's the facts of life. There are many different parts in ministry the same as there are many different parts in the body of Christ.

Women in Ministry: Four Views

‘Those who follow Jesus Christ must seek to understand his will in relation to women’s rights. Beyond the need to come to terms with the times, however, is the requirement that Christians deal justly with others regardless of race, social class or gender.’ With those words Robert G. Clouse...

www.thegospelcoalition.org

thanks for this reply, and link. the bible is capable of revealing the truth, as here about women in the ministry. one must search the scripture, and study to show thyself approved unto God, and not to men only. God is the final authority of his "Own" word.

women been preaching, teaching, and Pastoring from day one. there is no doubt in 101G's mind and heart that a woman is the same as the man in christ Jesus. but every man must be sure in his own mind. for a day of reckoning is coming. so, let every man be approved in christ Jesus, the Lord.

101G.

 

[Alive]

thanks for this reply, and link. the bible is capable of revealing the truth, as here about women in the ministry. one must search the scripture, and study to show thyself approved unto God, and not to men only. God is the final authority of his "Own" word.

women been preaching, teaching, and Pastoring from day one. there is no doubt in 101G's mind and heart that a woman is the same as the man in christ Jesus. but every man must be sure in his own mind. for a day of reckoning is coming. so, let every man be approved in christ Jesus, the Lord.

101G.

Exactly, the woman at the well. The first person that Jesus revealed Himself to as the Messiah.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Believe what you want.

 

[101G]

Exactly, the woman at the well. The first person that Jesus revealed Himself to as the Messiah.

GINOLJC, to all.
TRUE, but the first human to Preach Christ Jesus as the Redeemer after he came into the world in flesh was a woman. her name was Anna, a prophetess. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;" Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day." Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."

this term spake is the Greek term,
G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
Compare: G3004, G2036, G5346, G4483

the KJV translates it also as "PREACH". so, the first redemption preacher after the Lord Jesus, the COMFORTER/the Holy Spirit, that came in flesh was a woman preacher.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
the Preaching of the prophetess Anna. as said, she Preach redemption to all in Jerusalem. as said, the Greek term for Preach is this word.
PREACH: G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
Compare: G3004, G2036, G5346, G4483

but what's so interesting about this word from other words that are translated as "Preach", or "Preaching is it's connection.
watch the color code.

Acts 8:14 "Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:"
When they was ready to return, watch the term Preach in association with the phrase, "the word of the Lord"
Acts 8:25 "And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans."

Acts 11:19 "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."

Acts 13:42 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath."

Acts 14:25 "And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:"

Acts 16:6 "Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,"

did one notice that this word for "PREACH" is only used in association with the "word" of the Lord".

take NOTE. anna a prophetess, a female Prophet PREACHED the Lord Jesus and his redemptive work of Salvation.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

To all,
the Preaching of the prophetess Anna. as said, she Preach redemption to all in Jerusalem. as said, the Greek term for Preach is this word.
PREACH: G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
Compare: G3004, G2036, G5346, G4483

but what's so interesting about this word from other words that are translated as "Preach", or "Preaching is it's connection.
watch the color code.

Acts 8:14 "Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:"
When they was ready to return, watch the term Preach in association with the phrase, "the word of the Lord"
Acts 8:25 "And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans."

Acts 11:19 "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."

Acts 13:42 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath."

Acts 14:25 "And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:"

Acts 16:6 "Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,"

did one notice that this word for "PREACH" is only used in association with the "word" of the Lord".

take NOTE. anna a prophetess, a female Prophet PREACHED the Lord Jesus and his redemptive work of Salvation.

101G.

A prophetess (Anna) is not a bishop (episkopas.) She had oversight over nothing.
There's one Scripture to use to validate women in the faith but it seems you don't know where it is found.
Women cannot be bishops except maybe over her children. But not in the body of Christ.
Try again.

 

[101G]

A prophetess (Anna) is not a bishop (episkopas.)

did 101G say she was?

She had oversight over nothing.

see above. did you read the topic carefully. now if you want to speak to women in oversight, see post #362 above, which show directly that our sister Phebe was in OVERSIGHT at the Church at Rome..... (smile). READ FIRST, so you want respond IGNORATLY.
101G.

 

[dwight92070]

I recently read a sentence at the bottom of a member's post. It goes something like this: "Don't put God in a box. If He wants to use a woman in ministry, He can."
Of course He can. But if we define "ministry" very narrowly, such as a pastor, then why would God call a woman to be a pastor on the one hand, and yet forbid a woman to be a pastor in His word, on the other hand?
In the qualifications for a pastor or elder or overseer or bishop (all are the same thing), Paul specifically says that "An overseer ... must be the husband of one wife ... He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God)?" 1 Tim. 3:1-5

So who does God expect to manage a family? The father, the husband, not the mother, not the wife. Obviously, if the father dies, or leaves his family, the mother steps in and does the managing. However, if she is a widow less than 60, Paul instructs her to remarry, have children if she is able to, keep house, and don't allow Satan an occasion for reproach. Then the new husband would manage the family.

So if a man desires to be a pastor, he must first show that he is a good manager of his family.
There's no scripture where Paul says that a woman can be a pastor, by being a good manager of her family. If she has a husband, then she is not the manager - he is.

In fact, this is confirmed by Paul in Titus 1:6:
" ... I left you in Crete that you would ... appoint elders in every city ... if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife ..."

In 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Paul says, "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."

This sounds almost oppressive, but I don't think Paul means it that way. I think he is referring to an attitude among women that Peter speaks of in 1 Peter 3:3-6 "Your adornment must be ... the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear."

I think Paul is saying that women are not to lead the church or to be in a position of authority over the church. Paul confirms this again in 1 Tim. 2:9-15 " ... I want women to adorn themselves ... by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
Obviously, if she taught the whole church, she would be teaching and exercising authority over her own husband, who would be sitting among the others in the church. Paul didn't want that and neither did God.

Did you notice that Jesus never appointed one woman apostle? Apparently, it is not His will that women lead the church. Paul does allow the older women to teach the younger women - and of course, mothers teach their sons along with their husbands. But in church, only men should teach a crowd consisting of men and women.

Paul then justifies his instruction by going all the way back to creation:
"For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."
Before Eve ate the forbidden fruit, she should have checked with Adam, and submitted to his authority, but she did not. Apparently, if women are not in submission to their husbands, they will be susceptible to being deceived. If their husband tells them to do something that is a sin against God, they should not obey that.

 

[Complete]

1 Corinthians 12:27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

here, God has set/ordain some in the Church, ...... "FIRST", not only but FIRST. and the term set here is ordained.
Question time, are these Works/Ministries for men only, regardless of nationality, creed, or color? we say no. WHY? Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
now if any of the Gifts of God are for men/Gender wise "ONLY", then God is a respecter of Person, (which he is not). Knowing that God is no respecter of person, why are ...... by some ... "NOT ALL" Christian denominations still forbid women from the ministry, especially in leadership roles.

let's examine what the bible say, and let's all learn the TRUTH. let's first start with Prophets and teachers, and work our way to preachers, pastors, and apostles. and let's keep Galatians 3:28 and 1 Corinthians 12:28 in mind while we discuss these calls to work/ministries.

first, FEMALE as Prophets.

'But I suffer not a woman to teach,
nor to usurp authority over the man,
but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.'
(1Tim. 2:12-14)

Hello @101G,

It is important to note when the words above written to Timothy, by Paul, were written. They were written during Paul's imprisonment at Rome, when he as the Lords's prisoner for the gentiles (Eph. 3:1), made known what he, by Divine revelation, had received regarding the Church which is the body of Christ, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all (Eph.1:22-23)(Acts 26:16) .

This was written after the Acts period, and confined to the epistles written from Paul's imprisonment, (Eph. Phil. Col. 1&2 Tim. Titus & Philemon), this knowledge having been 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9) since the world began, and only revealed through Paul at this time, to the saints and faithful in Christ Jesus, following the departure of Israel as a nation into blindness (Rom. 11:25), and salvation being sent to the gentiles (Acts 28:28).

So this instruction concerning women in the Church is part of Paul's ministry to the Church which is the Body of Christ, which relates to the period in which we now live, so should not be dismissed or overlooked.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris (female)

 

[101G]

'But I suffer not a woman to teach,
nor to usurp authority over the man,
but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.'
(1Tim. 2:12-14)

GINOLJC, to all.
First this scripture applies to a home setting. for the term Women here is "WIFE", and the term "Man" here is Husband, who are married. just finish the verses to see the revelation. LISTEN, 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." Childbearing? yes a husband and wife. ...... so, why did you leave the very last verse out? yes, it the one that destroy your whole belief.
so that want work. try again.

It is important to note when the words above written to Timothy, by Paul, were written. They were written during Paul's imprisonment at Rome, when he as the Lords's prisoner for the gentiles (Eph. 3:1), made known what he, by Divine revelation, had received regarding the Church which is the body of Christ, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all (Eph.1:22-23)(Acts 26:16) .

This was written after the Acts period, and confined to the epistles written from Paul's imprisonment, (Eph. Phil. Col. 1&2 Tim. Titus & Philemon), this knowledge having been 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9) since the world began, and only revealed through Paul at this time, to the saints and faithful in Christ Jesus, following the departure of Israel as a nation into blindness (Rom. 11:25), and salvation being sent to the gentiles (Acts 28:28).

So this instruction concerning women in the Church is part of Paul's ministry to the Church which is the Body of Christ, which relates to the period in which we now live, so should not be dismissed or overlooked.

nonsense, women been preaching and teaching before the NEW COVENANT, case in point. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;" Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day." Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."

Shew was preaching Christ just as the prophets afore. it was only revealed to IGNORANT ONE by the apostle Paul.
so that want fly either.... try again.

101G.

PS you ended with,
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris (female)

Female? post scripture for that. ...... (smile).

 

[dwight92070]

GINOLJC, to all.
First this scripture applies to a home setting. for the term Women here is "WIFE", and the term "Man" here is Husband, who are married. just finish the verses to see the revelation. LISTEN, 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." Childbearing? yes a husband and wife. ...... so, why did you leave the very last verse out? yes, it the one that destroy your whole belief.
so that want work. try again.


nonsense, women been preaching and teaching before the NEW COVENANT, case in point. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;" Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day." Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."

Shew was preaching Christ just as the prophets afore. it was only revealed to IGNORANT ONE by the apostle Paul.
so that want fly either.... try again.

101G.

PS you ended with,
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris (female)

Female? post scripture for that. ...... (smile).

Of course that's nonsense, saying that this is only in the home setting. Let's take your "interpretation" to its logical conclusion. So, according to you, a wife is not allowed to teach or exercise authority over her husband at home, but she can teach and exercise authority over men (and women) in the church. So when she is teaching and exercising authority over the congregation in the church, does her husband have to leave, so that she won't be teaching him or exercising authority over him?
That's how silly and convoluted your interpretation is. Also, Paul would not have to tell a wife not to teach or exercise her husband at home, since he (Paul) already taught that the husband is the head of his wife in 1 Cor. 11:3. Your "interpretation" is mistaken. Besides, how many wives actually take authority over their husbands and have him sit down, while they teach them what the Bible means? No, this is speaking of a church assembly. 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 actually is closely associated with what 1 Tim.2:11-14 is saying, and here it specifically mentions the church: "As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."

Both passages are speaking about how men and women who are believers should behave in the church assembly, or among believers. Paul confirms that in 1 Timothy 3:14-15 "I am writing these things to you ... so that you will know how one should act in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth."

 

[Patrick]

Of course that's nonsense, saying that this is only in the home setting. Let's take your "interpretation" to its logical conclusion. So, according to you, a wife is not allowed to teach or exercise authority over her husband at home, but she can teach and exercise authority in the church. So when she is teaching and exercising authority over the congregation in the church, does her husband have to leave, so that she won't be teaching him or exercising authority over him?
That's how silly and convoluted your interpretation is. Also, Paul would not have to tell a wife not to teach or exercise her husband at home, since he (Paul) already taught that the husband is the head of his wife in 1 Cor. 11:3. Your "interpretation" is deeply flawed. 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 confirms what 1 Tim.2:11-14 is saying, and here it specifically mentions the church: "As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."

Both passages are speaking about how men and women who are believers should behave in the church assembly. Neither is speaking only of a home setting. Paul confirms that in 1 Timothy 3:14-15 "I am writing these things to you ... so that you will know how one should act in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth."

That sounds all well and good the problem is that's not the reality you live in today. In our culture we can't stop women from sacrificing their unborn babies so good luck on telling them I can't talk in church.

 

[GeneZ]

That sounds all well and good the problem is that's not the reality you live in today. In our culture we can't stop women from sacrificing their unborn babies so good luck on telling them I can't talk in church.

Not all of them, are "them."

There are godly women whom God seeks to bless.

 

[Patrick]

Not all of them, are "them."

There are godly women whom God seeks to bless.

Of course. The instructions that Paul is laying forth were a complete different culture. The point that I was trying to make is things are different today. When Jesus walked He used the woman at the well. The woman’s testimony led to many people believing in Jesus, as the Bible says “Many more believed because of her testimony” John 4:39

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/about-women-in-the-bible.1306/post-87782

 

[dwight92070]

Not all of them, are "them."

There are godly women whom God seeks to bless.

Any woman who willfully and knowingly sacrifices her baby isn't really part of the true church, at least not at that time. If she had any concern whatsoever for what God wants, she wouldn't kill her baby. I understand that many young girls kill their babies in much ignorance, but a baby still is killed and that blood is not only on their hands, but also on the hands of the so-called doctors. Thank God that through the blood of Jesus, and through their repentance, they can be forgiven.

I believe it is also through repentance that many women change their behavior from demanding equal authority and positions that men in the church have - to a gentle and quiet spirit which is precious in the sight of God. 1 Peter 3:4 If a woman truly wants to please God, she will want to submit to His word concerning her place in the church. The same is true for men - if they truly want to please God, and specifically if they desire to be a pastor or an overseer, they will strive to meet His requirements for their place in the church - whether it's in a place of authority or not.

The woman at the well was not exercising authority over a man, nor was she teaching a man in a church assembly - rather she was simply telling the other Samaritans, both men and women, what Jesus said to her. Paul did not forbid women from doing this. I'm sure he would encourage that. Rather, he was telling women, that if they want to be pleasing to God, that they were not to try to "run" the church assembly, by either usurping authority or by teaching the assembly. Paul also encouraged the older women to teach the younger women. This would be at a different time or a different location than the general meeting.

By the way, many, if not most men do not meet the requirements to teach or exercise authority in the church either. These requirements are listed in 1 Tim. 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9. Paul also forbids men who are new believers from taking a church position of authority or teaching, due to the temptation of pride. 1 Tim. 3:6

The principles of a woman not exercising authority over a man or not teaching a man, according to Paul, go all the way back to creation, starting with Adam and Eve. 1 Timothy 2:13-14 So the fact that Paul was in a completely different culture is irrelevant. These principles are for all mankind for all time.

 

[dwight92070]

1 Timothy 1:11-12 "A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."

Now look at what happened in the garden of Eden.

Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent (Satan) was more cunning than any animal of the field which the Lord God had made."

Satan knew that if he could get Eve alone, apart from Adam, that she would be more likely to listen to him, rather than to Adam. Some have said that Adam was right there beside Eve, because in verse 6 it says "and she also gave some (fruit) to her husband with her, and he ate."

But later, when God was pronouncing curses for their disobedience, God said to Adam, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; ... Notice it does not say that Adam listened to the voice of the serpent, but he did listen to Eve's voice. So it appears that Eve was alone, which was more opportune for the devil.

1 Timothy 2:14 says "And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer."

So Satan makes his move and says to Eve "Has God really said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden?' "
Right here, Eve made her first mistake. Here is the serpent questioning what God actually said with a "partial" lie. Satan knew that God had not made all the trees off limits. Eve should have immediately ran to Adam and told him what the serpent said, submitting to his wisdom and authority. Adam, not being deceived, could have and probably would have put a stop to it immediately.

But Eve foolishly answers the devil. It's never a good idea to have a conversation with Satan. Jesus, when confronted with demons, said very little, except to command them to get out of the person that they were inhabiting.

Maybe Eve was going to tell Adam, but first, she apparently thought that she needed to correct the serpent, letting him know that God had not forbidden them to eat from every tree in the garden. "From the fruit of the trees in the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'

Then Satan attacks with his full-on lie, "You certainly will not die! For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil."

Wouldn't this be the perfect time to respond with "Get behind me, Satan!"?

But instead, Eve takes the bait - "When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took some of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate." NOW she goes to Adam - but it was too late. Eve may have decided here that she could even teach Adam all the benefits of eating the forbidden fruit.

"Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked;" Spiritual death took place and the physical death of their bodies aging began.

If Adam was not deceived, why did he eat the fruit? We are not told, but it could be that he didn't want Eve to die alone, possibly leaving him without her - and they may not have even known at that time what God meant by "You will die."

The bottom line: Paul uses this event in Genesis to show us the importance of women quietly submitting to their husbands, especially when they hear the voice of some suspicious, dark stranger, who is none other than the devil in disguise. And how often does that happen? I think - ALL THE TIME. Does this mean that their husbands are always right? No, but if they (husbands) in turn, keep themselves in submission to Christ, who is their HEAD, then the chances of them making a major mistake are slim to none.

 

[GeneZ]

Of course. The instructions that Paul is laying forth were a complete different culture. The point that I was trying to make is things are different today. When Jesus walked He used the woman at the well. The woman’s testimony led to many people believing in Jesus, as the Bible says “Many more believed because of her testimony” John 4:39

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/about-women-in-the-bible.1306/post-87782

The link you provided has nothing to do with a woman having spiritual authority over a man...
I believe you are confusing women interacting within the church (which is a good thing) with woman being forbidden
from taking authority over men in regards to teaching the Word of God.