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Why do Calvinists deny there is the gospel of grace ?
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brightfame52
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Grace reigns through righteousness that's the gospel of God's grace!
Brightfames 52 does what Calvinist often do. Ignore what is posted and run elsewhere
https://berean-apologetics.communit...-there-is-the-gospel-of-grace.1721/post-95186
brightfame52
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Grace reigns through righteousness that's the gospel of God's grace!
brightfame52
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The Gospel of Grace informs us that God has made a eternal choice of some of mankind to be saved, a remnant
Eph 1:4-6
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Rom 11 :5-6
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Eph 1:4-6
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Rom 11 :5-6
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
brightfame52
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To preach the Gospel of Grace, which Paul preached, testified to Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Its imperative to proclaim first and foremost that Salvation is possible based on the Eternal Election of Grace by the Father Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it[Salvation], and the rest were blinded.
This Grace is given according to God The Father Eternal Purpose centered in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
No Election of Grace by the Father,No Salvation, No Gospel of Gods Grace !
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Its imperative to proclaim first and foremost that Salvation is possible based on the Eternal Election of Grace by the Father Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it[Salvation], and the rest were blinded.
This Grace is given according to God The Father Eternal Purpose centered in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
No Election of Grace by the Father,No Salvation, No Gospel of Gods Grace !
brightfame52
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. Man had to be elected by the Father solely according to grace, man had to have a Savior obey the law for him and atone for his sins, establishing and imputing unto him a perfect righteousness, and man had to have the Holy Spirit regenerate him. No salvation could have taken place without these three elements and therefore no true Gospel could have been formed, preached, and believed unto salvation, were it not for these three elements.
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Unmerited
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1 John 5 9-13
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
So, the whole record of God is that if anyone believes on Jesus Christ, he is saved and has eternal life. If you believe this, then you are saved. If you do not believe this, then you are calling God a liar. Please note this to be the official “record” of God. This is what God would like you to know, as a result of reading the scriptures.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
So, the whole record of God is that if anyone believes on Jesus Christ, he is saved and has eternal life. If you believe this, then you are saved. If you do not believe this, then you are calling God a liar. Please note this to be the official “record” of God. This is what God would like you to know, as a result of reading the scriptures.
brightfame52
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@Unmerited
You are neglecting the Grace aspect, Like Election of Grace. You neglect that even believing is because of Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
see how Paul preached the Gospel of Gods Grace ? You probably believe like most that men believe because of their own freewill . There is no believing in the True Jesus Christ without Grace !
You are neglecting the Grace aspect, Like Election of Grace. You neglect that even believing is because of Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
see how Paul preached the Gospel of Gods Grace ? You probably believe like most that men believe because of their own freewill . There is no believing in the True Jesus Christ without Grace !
@brightfame52
Under Calvinism, God picks and chooses some people for Heaven, and sends the rest to Hell, for no reason. This is absolutely retarded. This has to be the peak of reprobation. Calvinism “changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man” (Romans 1:23). I swear, there isn’t a single verse that the Calvinist believes on face value. Every single passage in the Bible is twisted by them in the Greek. They do not even believe John 3:16! They think “world” means elect! And “whosoever” means elect! It’s so mind boggling. Calvinists are going to be surprised when they are put in Hell.
Under Calvinism, God picks and chooses some people for Heaven, and sends the rest to Hell, for no reason. This is absolutely retarded. This has to be the peak of reprobation. Calvinism “changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man” (Romans 1:23). I swear, there isn’t a single verse that the Calvinist believes on face value. Every single passage in the Bible is twisted by them in the Greek. They do not even believe John 3:16! They think “world” means elect! And “whosoever” means elect! It’s so mind boggling. Calvinists are going to be surprised when they are put in Hell.
Unmerited
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Here is what I'm not neglecting. Calvinists preach a false gospel.This fleshly strategy is further demonstrated by how Calvinists have sugar-coated the name of their religion through time. It was 1st called “Calvinism.”
But even Calvinists know that 1 Corinthians 3:4 exposes the carnality of calling yourself after another man’s name. And so, it later became “Reformed Theology.” This is a bit less offensive, in that the name emphasizes the church’s separation from the heresies of Rome. Even though most Calvinists prefer this title today, it has been changed yet again.
Maybe it’s because Lutherans have taken offense to how Calvinism had hi-jacked the Protestant Reformation. When it was Luther (and not Calvin) that had initiated the protest to begin with. And because Calvinists are not satisfied with hi-jacking the works of a man, they set their eyes on robbing God of his truth by calling their theology “the doctrines of grace.” As if their religion is the only branch of Christianity that is a beacon of grace, which couldn’t be further from the truth.
No unconditional election there
Israel was blinded and the election obtained for
Romans 9:30–32 (LEB) — 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness—even the righteousness that is by faith. 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,
civic
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Correct UE is absent from the text.
You got to put on those Calvinist
tinted glasses to see it
civic
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YepYou got to put on those Calvinist
brightfame52
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@Bassnah
This is true except He sends the rest to hell for their sins ! His wrath is on them for their sins Eph 5:5-7
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
This is true except He sends the rest to hell for their sins ! His wrath is on them for their sins Eph 5:5-7
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
brightfame52
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Sorry,you neglected it, The Gospel explains how and why Salvation is by Grace.
brightfame52
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To preach the Gospel of Grace, which Paul preached, testified to Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Its imperative to proclaim first and foremost that Salvation is possible based on the Eternal Election of Grace by the Father Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it[Salvation], and the rest were blinded.
This Grace is given according to God The Father Eternal Purpose centered in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
No Election of Grace by the Father,No Salvation, No Gospel of Gods Grace !
brightfame52
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Its imperative to proclaim first and foremost that Salvation is possible based on the Eternal Election of Grace by the Father Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it[Salvation], and the rest were blinded.
This Grace is given according to God The Father Eternal Purpose centered in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
No Election of Grace by the Father,No Salvation, No Gospel of Gods Grace !
