Who was the Book of John Addressed to?

Yeah, you faith alone guys always ask about such exceptions. What does the Bible say about the man whose chute fails? Do you think the man in that situation really has faith in God? Do you think he is really concerned in that last moment about going to be with God in heaven if he obviously hasn't been concerned about it up to that point? But the main point here is that I don't really even need to answer that question; God is perfectly capable of handling it for Himself.
Actually, I think we would all be surprised as to how many "death-bed" conversions really happen. It's quite common for people who are near death, to suddenly think about their soul. Shortly before my Dad passed away, he was reading the Bible every day. I don't think he did that before, at least not that much. Sure, many will not convert when near death, others will but insincerely, others will be sincere and will be saved. My brother-in-law was in the latter category, thank God, and he was unable to be baptized

The point is that your legalistic false doctrine offers little or no hope for such persons. However, the truth in Scripture tells us that God does not reject persons who repent and have faith, but cannot at that same time be baptized.
 
Paul, the apostle of Jesus to the Gentiles, was plagued all during his ministry by Judaizers much like you. He fought against them diligently with the power given him by God through the Holy Spirit.
Saul was a rabbi and Pharisee. He knows the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants were made between God and Abraham and his seed. Saul would not violate God's Word in any respect for if he did, he would be an outcast by the Jews for trying to teach Gentiles the Law of Moses given to the children of Israel nor would he ever seek to circumcise a Gentile. It would cause an uproar, and he would lose all credibility. But he was a very respected Jew whose obedience to the Law of Moses was unequaled.

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:17–24.

So, which is it? Is he obedient to the Law of Moses which covenant and Law is between the God of Israel and the children of Israel, or is he teaching non-Hebrew Gentiles to obey the Law and seeking to circumcise them in violation of the Law of Moses? Which is it?

We know of Samaritans who are descendants of the ten northern kingdom tribes and mixed heritage Hebrews called "Samaritan" by the Jews and not calling them Jews. But who was among the "remnant" that returned from Babylon at the leave of king Cyrus who conquered Judah and Benjamin in 586 BC and exiled them to Babylon? Where in the Bible are these two southern kingdom tribes mixed heritage Hebrews mentioned or named? The remnant of the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin) consisted of about 10% of ALL Jews alive at the time who remained in Gentile lands, a number that can be called the majority (90%) of ALL Jews alive at the time? Jesus interacted with Samaritans but what were the mixed heritage Hebrews of the two southern tribes called? Where are they mentioned in the Bible?

I submit that Saul never tried to teach non-Hebrew Gentiles the Law of Moses, nor did he ever seek to circumcise any in violation of the Law of Moses. Saul was apostle to mixed heritage Hebrews who no matter the dilution of their DNA was STILL seed of Abraham and heirs according to the PROMISE. These "lost" sheep grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture and from 722 BC until Christ about 15-20 generations of Jews that were never circumcised were the "Gentiles" that the Jews wanted to circumcise after they became born-again which led to the Jerusalem Council. Now, if these Jewish Christians (born-again practicing Jews) were obedient to the Law of Moses as declared in Acts 21:20 and Judaizers wanted to circumcise these mixed heritage Hebrews who grew up outside the commonwealth of Israel and were "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" are the "Gentiles" so-called by the Jews because they were uncircumcised, lost in and under Gentile and Greek culture for generations until Christ but were born-again and remained the seed of Abraham and were the subject of the Jerusalem Council concerning circumcision of these half-Jew/Gentile Hebrews. James, Peter, Saul, and the other apostles and elders (including born-again priests of the Sanhedrin...)

7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7.....

would NEVER cause a real non-Hebrew Gentile to be circumcised nor would they give them four precepts of the Law of Moses to obey if they were non-Hebrew Gentiles. Pay attention:

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which [JEWS] from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them,
that they abstain from pollutions of idols,
and from fornication,
and from things strangled,
and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:19–21.

IF they were real non-Hebrew Gentiles the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem would not enjoy the respect of the Jewish people only because they were as Jewish Christians STILL obedient to the Law of Moses, such Law God declared them justified ("NOT GUILTY!") in their conversion to Christ, their Promised Lord and Savior. The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation - including John - were written to Jews and Jewish Christians.

Jesus was the lamb of God. Jesus was obedient to the Law of Moses and taught the people the spirit of the Law and He also fulfilled the Law of Moses. IF under the Law the high priest prayed for the Jews in covenant with God and offered sacrifices for the Jews in covenant with God, then Jesus as High Priest prayed for the Jews in covenant with God and offered Himself for the sins of the covenant people of God (John 17), then the salvation that Jonah said is of the LORD (Jonah 2:9), and the salvation which Jesus said was of the Jews was to and for the Jews in covenant with God and NOT for non-Hebrew Gentiles. Jesus said as much at the last Passover when He told the twelve disciples representing the twelve tribes of Israel that His body and blood are "given for you" then Jesus died in obedience to the Law of Moses, fulfilled the Law of Moses whose blood the high priest sprinkled upon the people and whose blood Jesus took away the sins of the Jewish people, then then salvation is of the Jews and no one else. There is nothing in the Law of Moses that the high priest offered sacrifices for Gentiles nor did Jesus as High Priest offer Himself for Gentiles but solely for the people of God in covenant with God.


4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

The Word of God - Genesis to Revelation - is to and for the Jewish people in covenant with God.
THAT IS the bottom line.
 
I posted Romans 11:17 because it states that the Gentiles are WILD OLIVES.
I don't believe Paul meant ONE OLIVE....an olive means an olive tree.

You make a statement but don't back it up with scripture.
In theology you're supposed to be able to back up your statements with scripture.
What YOU are presenting here is your own idea referring to the OT in alignment with the NT.
I don't believe you'd be able to find any scripture because the NT CAN HAVE new ideas in it.

As to the Abrahamic, Mosaic and New Covenants....

I agree that the Abrahamic Covenant was made with only Abraham who was a Hebrew...
BUT
It was meant FOR ALL NATIONS in t he future...
God would offer to ALL NATIONS His salvation.

As to the Mosaic Covenant,,,yes, it applied only to t he Israelites.
The Law is, in fact, ONLY for the Jews and was not meant for the Gentiles to follow...
this is evident in the Jerusalem Council in Acts.

The New Covenant...I disagree.
The New Covenant is FOR ALL PEOPLE and is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant.

GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES.
Type and shadow. If God identifies the Olive tree as Israel and only Israel, why do you seek to add your own erroneous interpretation to make Olive tree become non-Hebrew Gentiles? There's nothing in the Old Testament that says non-Hebrew Gentiles are Olive tree.

God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. If He did, then prove it through Scripture. But don't quote Genesis and say "nations" are Gentiles because two Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah) cannot birth a non-Hebrew Gentile. Impossible.
 
The point is that your legalistic false doctrine offers little or no hope for such persons. However, the truth in Scripture tells us that God does not reject persons who repent and have faith, but cannot at that same time be baptized.
It doesn't really say that anywhere in scripture. That is simply your particular view of things. How about Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17.

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel.

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

There clearly is the implication that one not obeying the gospel is eternally condemned. That would imply that not being eternally condemned requires that one obey the gospel.

So I am curious. What do you think is the gospel? What do you think it means to obey the gospel? In your answer to those two questions, concerning the gospel, please include your thoughts on the meaning of the gospel in Mark 1:1-8 which speaks of the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ in reference to the preaching of John the Baptist which deals with baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
 
The Word of God - Genesis to Revelation - is to and for the Jewish people in covenant with God.
THAT IS the bottom line.
You are delusional.

Paul's own presentation of Jesus' command to Paul at their meeting on the road to Damascus:

Act 26:14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'
Act 26:15 And I said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.
Act 26:16
But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you,
Act 26:17 delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles--to whom I am sending you

Act 26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Paul, by the direction of Jesus Christ, was sent to the Gentiles. His writings, which constitute a good bit of the NT, was written to the Gentiles.

So not only are you delusional, but I consider that you are dangerous.
 
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You are delusional...........................

Paul, by the direction of Jesus Christ, was sent to the Gentiles. His writings, which constitute a good bit of the NT, was written to the Gentiles.

So not only are you delusional, but I consider that you are dangerous.
There's so much to begin with, in proving just how delusional he is, that it is not easy to know just where to start, but start I will.

He refuses to use the name of Paul when speaking of Paul but chooses his Hebrews name Saul, which shows just how deep he is into believing that the entire scriptures are written only to Jews, or, another term he has concocted.....Jeremiah said: Saul was apostle "to mixed heritage Hebrews" among non-Hebrews Gentiles. I'm working on my post, but have a few other obligations that I must first do, then I'll post. In meantime time:
Romans 15: 8-28~"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand. For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you. But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you; Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company. But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain."
 
You are delusional.

Paul's own presentation of Jesus' command to Paul at their meeting on the road to Damascus:

Act 26:14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'
Act 26:15 And I said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.
Act 26:16
But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you,
Act 26:17 delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles--to whom I am sending you

Act 26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Paul, by the direction of Jesus Christ, was sent to the Gentiles. His writings, which constitute a good bit of the NT, was written to the Gentiles.

So not only are you delusional, but I consider that you are dangerous.

He was sent to the Gentiles because that's where the majority of Hebrews and mixed heritage Hebrews lived. The God of Israel found it necessary to give the Jews a short word of comfort: I have kept my promise. The Prophet like unto Moses has come and now it is time to repent for the kingdom of heaven is here.

The same message Jesus gave to the eleven when He sent them to all four cardinal points of the compass: Samaria (north), Judah (south), Jerusalem (west), and the uttermost parts of the earth (the Orient or east.) This command was given while on the Mount of Olives.

It's their covenant. Stop trying to steal their inheritance. It belongs to Israel.
 
He was sent to the Gentiles because that's where the majority of Hebrews and mixed heritage Hebrews lived. The God of Israel found it necessary to give the Jews a short word of comfort: I have kept my promise. The Prophet like unto Moses has come and now it is time to repent for the kingdom of heaven is here.

The same message Jesus gave to the eleven when He sent them to all four cardinal points of the compass: Samaria (north), Judah (south), Jerusalem (west), and the uttermost parts of the earth (the Orient or east.) This command was given while on the Mount of Olives.

It's their covenant. Stop trying to steal their inheritance. It belongs to Israel.
I am sorry, but your view of God is simply sick!!!

Red Baker can continue discussions with you if he likes, but I am done. I don't even want to be connected with you in conversation.
 
I am sorry, but your view of God is simply sick!!!

Red Baker can continue discussions with you if he likes, but I am done. I don't even want to be connected with you in conversation.
Yes, everyone bows out when they cannot provide scriptural proof of a salvation covenant between the God of Israel and non-Hebrew Gentiles as He's made with the children of Israel who are the biological seed of Abraham. Personal insults is the way of the loser.
 
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