TibiasDad
Active Member
That’s why Paul says “don’t let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.”
Doug
Who is the creator
- Thread starter Keiw1
- Start date
Doug
charismaticlady
Active Member
That type of lie is not unto death. The commandment is against perjury. Like the Pharisees and Judas did with regards to Jesus. Bearing false witness to get someone in trouble is a sin unto death. Avoiding hurting someone's feelings is not that type of lie.
Also the "flesh" is not talking about our bodies, but about our sin nature that has been crucified.
Hon, don't fall into the trap of the Reformation's "sin is sin." Recognize sin as God does that even the Roman Catholic church got right, but Protestants followed false teachers and now you think your lie is of the sin nature/flesh. It isn't. Avoiding hurting someone is kindness, but the Reformation has you damning yourself. They were false teachers spreading defeatism. Jesus said of them, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead."
Last edited:
FreeInChrist
Active Member
I hear you and I understand what you are saying... but truth be told if I do not "work" (yes, another 4 letter word that ends in k) at controlling this flesh including thoughts and such I little white lie might expand into a larger whatever.
I experience that with a good 24 year growth in and to God believing exactly as you say then then the axe fell because I experienced something that I did not want to let go of. God let me go in it for a season and then when my mind cleared and I became aware... I wont say Satan grabbed hold of me again.... I will own it that I almost slipped again and I can assure you it was nothing short of the Holy Spirit grabbing hold of me and made me stop.
And I am so grateful... but for myself I must be careful.
No one can walk in my shoes but me... and I know what I have to do.... and even now Satan is trying to make me doubt after 41 years by constantly makeing me remember my past... The bad past....
But I thank you for your kind words.
Blessings
Try learning English, that is the first step for you
FreeInChrist
Active Member
Ah... so you cannot. That is quite revealing.
The bible doesn't teach your words-twisting by blind guides does-- If one could look down and see family suffering like that (symbolism), they would have no joy. Thus heaven would be a farse except for those who think of self.
Let me paint a picture for all of you being mislead in darkness
The narrow gate and the broad and spacious path.
1) the narrow gate--Jesus' 1 religion-love amongst themselves( would never be mislead to stand on both sides of wars of hatred blowing each others heads off in front of all creation like the religions of darkness allow)- The other true mark=1Cor 1:10)= unity of thought( all of Gods truth) no division=1 single religion, not hundreds.- These are no part of this world= would never be mislead to cast votes for corrupt politicians in the corrupt govts on Earth=standing in opposition to Gods king. Would never partake in the worlds celebrations that are loaded with pagan garbage straight off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) like Easter and Christmas are), Etc.
The broad and spacious path= hundreds of religions=a mass of confusion= a house divided will not stand, and do the opposite of the above.
Now if you cannot see-you live in darkness sir.
Lets see you answer my post 887.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
@Keiw1 , you’ve shifted the discussion.
Doug raised Scripture about Christ. You responded with organizational identity.
The narrow gate is not defined by:
political neutrality , rejection of holidays , visible unity of thought , or belonging to one human organization
Jesus said:
“I am the way.” (Gospel of John 14:6, NWT)
And He warned that people would say:
“Look! Here is the Christ,” or, “There!”~but not to believe it. (Gospel of Matthew 24:23, NWT)
Unity without truth about the Son is not light~it’s conformity.
You speak of “one religion,” but Scripture says salvation is found in one name, not one organization. (Acts 4:12, NWT)
And in Revelation 5, all creation gives blessing, honor, glory, and power to the Lamb together with the One seated on the throne~ showing that fidelity to God is measured by how one responds to the Son, not by organizational uniformity. (Book of Revelation 5:13, NWT)
So the issue remains exactly where Doug placed it:
Does the Jesus you follow receive the honor Scripture commands~ or is that honor redirected to an organization that claims to speak for Him?
That question~not holidays or voting~is what separates light from darkness.
charismaticlady
Active Member
I was thinking about lying when I woke up this morning. Is it more than perjury? I thought about the Christians who lied to the Nazis in Germany who were hiding Jews in a secret room. Some lies are to protect the innocent. And, I think, some are because the truth is no one's business but their own, especially when you can tell the heart of the other person is for destruction. And what about scammers. I get about ten phone calls a day from thieves. My heart against them is pretty bad. But so was Jesus' and John the Baptist's against the Pharisees when they called them names like white-washed tombs full of all sorts of corruption, or a brood of vipers.
I suggest you forgive yourself, and start praising God how much He has changed you. Keeping your mind in check is a good thing. I remember in my last marriage to a sadistic abuser, if I saw a kind good looking man, and a tempting thought came into my mind, I would shake my head really fast, rattling my brain, and the thought couldn't stick. I would then quickly think about something else.
We don't know each other, but if we were to have a contest about who had the worst past, I just might win! I am amazed how much God has succeeded in changing me. Granted, I'm 78 years old, and my needs are not the same as when I lived in Hollywood and knew all sorts of famous people, but in comparison, I'm a strong Christian woman now and, frankly, I don't want those things anymore. And I would wager, you could say the same. Start telling yourself the truth, not the lies of the devil. You are not who you were. None of us are who abide in Jesus.
And remember, not all "sins" are on the same level as the Reformers claimed.
Yes the way=learning, applying and obeying--Gods word condemns anything off the table of demons-thus corrupt politicians fit that table. pagan additives in world celebrations fit that table--Thus your reasoning is false.
Giving honor to Jesus= bowing in obeisance to Gods appointed king. knowing he is the Messiah, exercising faith in him by obeying him.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
Am I a demon @Keiw1 ?
TibiasDad
Active Member
Who needs English if you can go to the original Greek? Besides, since you can’t answer questions in either language what’s the point?
So again, how is the Son able to claim the honor of the Father as his own if he is less than the Father in quality?
Doug
TibiasDad
Active Member
All sin is an offense to the Holiness of God and cannot be tolerated in any way. So the “little white lie” is just as damning as the long con that fleeces an entire life’s savings. The measuring of “sinfulness” is an earthly phenomenon that too often occurs as a limitation of self-incrimination , making someone else’s lie “worse” than mine! As I recall, “all liars” are in hell, not just the really bad ones.
Doug
TibiasDad
Active Member
The rich man, was in hell and wanted to go back and warn his brothers about it. If anything, it shows the concern he had for his family. He didn’t want them to end up there with him. Lazarus and Abraham were in Paradise’s comfort; that’s no farse!
Doug
TibiasDad
Active Member
1Cor 10:
25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
Rom 14:20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
Doug
charismaticlady
Active Member
For 3,500 years God has seen sin as sins unto death, and sins not unto death. 500 years ago the Reformationists changed it to "sin is sin." Martin Luther even said, sin boldly because the power of God's grace forgives them all. You can commit murder and adultery 1,000 times a day and it will never separate you from God. That is a false teaching that will damn people to hell.
When we come to Christ He takes away all desire to commit sins unto death freeing us for eternal life. Those are sins against the commandments of God.
The other type of sins are sins not unto death, and as we walk in the Spirit God gave us, the blood of Jesus cleanses those lesser sins unintentionally committed as He keeps maturing us in the Lord and the fruit of the Spirit.
So do you believe the Reformationists and believe "sin is sin" and the slightest sin will send us to hell. Or on the other hand all sin is forgiven, past, present and future.
Or do you believe that as the Author of our faith, Jesus takes away all desire to commit sins unto death, and cleanses our nature so we no longer have a sin nature - we are washed, we are sanctified, we are justified. And then as the Finisher of our faith, as we walk in the light as Jesus is in the light, we have fellowship with God, and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all those lesser sins, but not sins unto death that can only be committed willfully against God.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
You may be right. It is a worry.
charismaticlady
Active Member
I forgot to copy you on #897. What do you believe in my post to Doug.
TibiasDad
Active Member
Any sin that is realized- that is to say any sin of which we are aware- is a sin for which we are culpable.
Any such sin can and will be forgiven if we confess and repent of said sin.
Any such sin that is not confessed and repented of is still held against us, and it is compounded by rejection of the Spirit’s conviction of said sin.
Only sin specifically known, confessed and repented of is actually forgiven. Future sin has yet to be committed, and thus there is nothing yet to forgive. All sin, save the unforgivable sin, is capable of being forgiven. but none are automatically forgiven until confessed and repented of.
Desire should decrease as our love for Christ grows, just as our love of past romances should decrease once we’ve married.
We are not free from temptation, but we are freed of obligation to sin’s power to cause us to obey it.
The power of sin is broken and we are no longer slaves to its authority. Our old spouse is dead, and we are free to marry another, and no longer have to obey our former spouse.
I use an illustration that a former husband always demanded that his dinner be on the table for him a 5:00pm every night, and tolerated no deviation from that schedule regardless of circumstance.
After 30 years of this, the husband dies and a few days after, the widowed wife finds herself unconsciously placing a plate of hot food at her husband’s place at the table, and suddenly realizes the reality of her situation; the husband is dead, and she doesn’t have to fulfill his demands any longer.
Our old habits are the only thing with power now that we have died to sin. But the sooner we understand our freedom from these obligations the sooner we realized the powerlessness of sin’s temptations.
1John 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
“All unrighteousness” is not just lesser sins, it is any sin that can be forgiven. Sin committed willfully can be forgiven for all sin is committed willfully. It may not be knowingly committed, but the action is generally, with very few exceptions, done willfully. We only become culpable when we realize the infraction, and thus become guilty of it, which is Paul’s point in Rom 7.
Doug
Similar threads
