Who is the creator

[praise_yeshua]

Translations prior to the JW,s( 1879) had a god. Blind religions rejected that truth because it exposed them as false. Those translations were not used. Most were trintarians for the most part back then. Few saw through the darkness.

What translations might that be? Are you an elder among the JWs sects? If you're not, then do they know you're trying to teach others without them?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Interesting that Tyndale also spelled word as worde and used small w not cap.... Same in vs.14

And Tyndale called the Word it.

The Beginning
(Genesis 1:1–2; Hebrews 11:1–3)

1In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men 5and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not.


The Witness of John

6There was a man sent from God whose name was Iohn. 7The same cam as a witnes to beare witnes of the lyght that all men through him myght beleve. 8He was not that lyght: but to beare witnes of the lyght.

The Word Became Flesh
(Psalm 84:1–12)

14And the worde was made flesshe and dwelt amonge vs and we sawe the glory of it as the glory of the only begotten sonne of ye father which worde was full of grace and verite.

Tynadle/Wycliffe.....

Most of it is conjecture. It is claimed that Wycliffe didn't consult Greek or Hebrew manuscripts and I don't believe it. The Vulgate wasn't the "standard" text that people claim it was.

 

[JesusFan]

The book of revelation shows God-SHARES glory-honor with the lamb-Rev 5:12-14)--Jesus wont accept Glory from men-John 5: 41.

God shares BHis glory with NO created being, so right there you just confirmed Jesus is very God

 

[JesusFan]

Then why do unbias Greek scholars put a god at John 1:1--because its correct. You quote bias Greek scholars.

We quote reputable NT Koine Greek scholars, as none of them would agree with the biased agenda mistranslation there i the NWT

 

[JesusFan]

Would God have us believe in anything less in quality than himself? And yet belief in Jesus is the singular thing that separates one from life itself.

You seem to neglect the fact that Jesus Christ included himself in tandem with his Father as the necessary object of our belief. Jesus, by doing so, equated himself to God. Nothing less than God can be equal to God. That’s why the Teachers of the Law tried to stone him in John 8, because Jesus was “making himself equal to God!”

Doug

Same chatre in John has jesus stating that he would receive back from the Father SAME glory they both had shared while in heaven before his incarnation

 

[JesusFan]

Translations prior to the JW,s( 1879) had a god. Blind religions rejected that truth because it exposed them as false. Those translations were not used. Most were trintarians for the most part back then. Few saw through the darkness.

reputable NT Koine greek scholars see NWT as a biased agenda based sham translation

 

[JesusFan]

You cite one source.



They were and are rejected for a reason, but then again, we don’t work from translations, we work from the Greek texts, so we wouldn’t use and other translations except as an after the fact comparison.



Most are trinitarian now! We see through the darkness just fine because “the darkness cannot overcome the light.” (John 1:5)

Doug

even some such as Dr Thayer, who held to unitarian views on jesus, close to JW views, saw that the Greek NT showed Jesus as being very God in John Chapter 1

 

[Keiw1]

You cite one source.



They were and are rejected for a reason, but then again, we don’t work from translations, we work from the Greek texts, so we wouldn’t use and other translations except as an after the fact comparison.



Most are trinitarian now! We see through the darkness just fine because “the darkness cannot overcome the light.” (John 1:5)

Doug

New test an improved version-1808
New test in Greek and English-1822
Literal trans of NT-1863
Concise commentary-1885

 

[Keiw1]

reputable NT Koine greek scholars see NWT as a biased agenda based sham translation

The blind call the NWT a Sham. It exposes hundreds of trinity religions as false-they can't have that, They would lose billions of $ yearly. With Gods name put back exposes them as well.

 

[Keiw1]

You must be aware that in John 1:1 when it says the Word was with God, that would be who you call Jehovah , that this is the one who is also called the Father, and also referred to as The God by some, and alll of the other names in the OT.

You know this right?

So when the translation refers to the Word as a god......

That makes two Gods. God the Father and a god.

That is Polytheism and why any pre NWT that had used a god corrected it to and the Word was God.

You cannot escape Polytheism with insisting on this because there are 2 gods in the mix.

If you are willing to own this truth, I will be willing to accept what the NWT says for you.

In addition Search Assist says.

Yes, the translation in the New World Translation, which states "the Word was a god," can imply polytheism by suggesting the existence of multiple true gods, as it distinguishes between "the God" (Jehovah) and "a god" (Jesus). This interpretation contrasts with traditional Christian belief that identifies Jesus as fully God, not merely a separate deity

Understanding John 1:1 in the New World Translation

Translation Differences​

The New World Translation (NWT) of the Bible, used by Jehovah's Witnesses, translates John 1:1 as:

• "and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

In contrast, most traditional translations, like the King James Version, state:

• "and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Implications of "a god"​

The phrase "the Word was a god" suggests that Jesus (the Word) is a divine being but not the Almighty God (Jehovah). This interpretation raises questions about the nature of God and the relationship between Jesus and God.

Only-God is God--Small g god means--has godlike qualities, it is not calling that one God.
It raises no questions-It proves the mislead hundreds of trinity religions( a house divided will not stand) are false religions.

 

[Keiw1]

What translations might that be? Are you an elder among the JWs sects? If you're not, then do they know you're trying to teach others without them?

New test an improved version-1808
New test in Greek and English-1822
Literal trans of NT 1863
Concise commetary-1885

The bible says-woe to you if you do not preach( 1Cor 9:16-18)
----says nothing about including elders.
What makes you reason that?

 

[Keiw1]

We quote reputable NT Koine Greek scholars, as none of them would agree with the biased agenda mistranslation there i the NWT

You quote nt Greek scholars who use Catholicism translating. Catholicism =2Thess 2:3 and now all of her hundreds of branches. These mislead into darkness and destruction. They do make billions of $ every single year.

 

[Keiw1]

reputable NT Koine greek scholars see NWT as a biased agenda based sham translation

They lie through their teeth. All listening to them will LOSE.

 

[FreeInChrist]

reputable NT Koine greek scholars see NWT as a biased agenda based sham translation

And others beside myself see it as a polytheistic translation meaning that they definitely march to a different drummer

 

[FreeInChrist]

They lie through their teeth. All listening to them will LOSE.

At least they know Koine Greek which is more then can be said of Frederick Franz

 

[charismaticlady]

Interesting that Tyndale also spelled word as worde and used small w not cap.... Same in vs.14

And Tyndale called the Word it.

Don't worry about it. No where does Tyndale capitalize the "g" in God either, whether in reference to the Father or the Word.

 

[praise_yeshua]

New test an improved version-1808
New test in Greek and English-1822
Literal trans of NT 1863
Concise commetary-1885

Ah. So nothing before 1808? How long has English been around?

Critical thinking is always required in such things.

The bible says-woe to you if you do not preach( 1Cor 9:16-18)
----says nothing about including elders.
What makes you reason that?

Paul said those words and was talking about his own power. Read it again. You're not Paul. You do not have the office that Paul held in the church.

Your "elders" believe this too. That is why they don't let but certain people hold "exclusive positions" such as you're claiming. Are you part of the 144,000? Is your elder part of the elect among the 144,000?

Just judging you by your own standards. Not mine. These people you follow are egotistical maniacs that only promote themselves.

 

[praise_yeshua]

At least they know Koine Greek which is more then can be said of Frederick Franz

This world has long been filled with men like Frederick Franz.

In frustration, Paul wrote these words to a group of people he dearly loved....

Php 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Don't worry about it. No where does Tyndale capitalize the "g" in God either, whether in reference to the Father or the Word.

Ah, it is little things like that that will stop me from using sources such as this.

 

[charismaticlady]

Ah, it is little things like that that will stop me from using sources such as this.

All you have to do is read the context. It won't stop me from using it as it could have been that no one capitalized God as we do today, but it wasn't a reflection of whether or not He meant God IF HE HAD BEEN LIVING TODAY AND NOT BACK IN THE 1500's.