Who is the creator

Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

now, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO.

and since you cannot answer, "who is coming in the Parousia?" ... YOU HAVE BEEN REPROVED........ :ninja: :cool:

good night.

101G.


Your confusion about Isaiah 41:4 is easily refuted.

Keil & Delitzsch Old Testament Commentary: And this is no other than Jehovah, who can declare of Himself, in contrast with the heathen and their gods, who are of yesterday, and tomorrow will not be: I am Jehovah, the very first, whose being precedes all history; and with the men of the latest generations yet to come."
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/kdo/isaiah-41.html

Peter Pett: This confirms that God has both Abraham and his descendants in mind. He is speaking of a number of generations, all of them called from the very first beginning of the history of salvation (compare Genesis 21:12 and see Isaiah 41:8 here). Although He may be looking back even further to the first call of man (Genesis 3:9; Genesis 4:26). And Who has done all this? Why, Yahweh, the One Who exists over time from beginning to end. Indeed He is the first before all, and He acted through Abraham in the beginning on his first entry into Canaan, and He is ‘with the last’ as is revealed in the victory of Israel/Judah over Sennacherib. Compare His claim in Isaiah 44:7, where as the First and the Last He is the One Who appointed both the ancient people and the things that are coming.
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/pet/isaiah-41.html


John 14:23 still contains two plural pronouns.
 
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yes, Genesis 1:27, only "ONE" person, scripture, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he is "one" person... not three.

do you believe the Lord Jesus?

101G.
Yes, I believe Jesus. He said " I and my Father are one" (John 10:30)

Do believe Jesus?
 
Yes, I believe Jesus. He said " I and my Father are one" (John 10:30)

Do believe Jesus?
GINOLJC, to all,
Yes, 101G BELIEVE the Lord Jesus who is ONE in GOD. God is ONE PERSON just as the Hebrew term, the H259 ECHAD "ONE" clearly states, in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and or "RANK".

ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

This .... Ordinal First is confirmed in Genesis 1:1 and in Colossians 1:15 & 16 for the term "BEGINNING" or "First" shows God's plurality as ONE PERSON in an ECHAD of himself.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." the Hebrew term "Beginning" means,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

Definition #1. above clearly identifies the ECHAD of God in the Cardinal designation as "FIRST" ..... in the beginning, AND IN THE NEW CREATION, again after his resurrection, he is the ... "Beginning", or the "FIRST" of his new creation, supportive scripture,
Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" this term "FIRST-BORN" is synonyms with, "the beginning of the creation of God". supportive scripture, Revelation 3:14 "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" here the term "beginning" in the Greek is,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

The term "commencement" in definition #1. shows the "ORDER" in definition #2, "FIRST", for commencement is synonyms with ALPHA, BEGINNING, BIRTH, (as in First born), SOURCE, ..... "ROOT", (as in root and offspring, Revelation 22:16), FIRST APPERANCE", ....... and the word ........ "FIRST" bingo. there we have it.

The Lord Jesus is the "First" and the "LAST", the "ROOT" and "OFFSPRING", the "ALPHA" and "OMEGA" , the SAME ONE PERSON .... in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK". Time, OT and NT, Place, Spirit, Flesh and bone, Order, first and Last, Rank, LORD, Lord. this is clear as day.

101G's results can be reproduce. my source for these definitions, The Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. the bible translation, KJV.

101G.
 
@Jim,
many say they believe the Lord Jesus, but when he plainly said "God is one person", many just cannot process that truth, because they have been pre-condition... (taught) .... a three person Godhead.

101G is in position with God and his disciples, and apostles, and all who understand, we all must "RENEW" our minds. change is scary for many, but to the true disciple, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 sticks out as a beacon of truth, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." the proof is in the scriptures, they are not changing, it is written.

The word "prove" has several meanings, including "to test or try, to establish or demonstrate. to weigh, or compare, find, and seek. demonstrate the truth by the scriptures.

101G.

PS again, thanks afore for your interest in the truth.
 
To all,
we all need to understand the TRUE "PLURALITY" of God. is it in persons, or is it in "DIVERSITY", meaning the "EQUAL SHARE" of ONESELF. in "TIME", "ORDER", "PLACE", and "RANK". Genesis 1:1 is the best place to start, at the "beginning".

101G believes God word totally without exception. the deception comes in PERSONS. this is where the devil deceives at. and the use of pronouns is confusing to some, but not all. as the Lord GOD said, "Come let us REASON together".

and REASON means, "the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic:". let not emotion cloud our judgments.

101G.
 
How is Jesus included when in your topic, "Alone/Only"..... The Lord Jesus is the Creator (Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:10; cf. Psalm 102:25).
Job 9:8
Who alone stretches out the heavens
And tramples down the waves of the sea
Isaiah 44:24
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb,
I, the LORD, am the maker of all things,
Stretching out the heavens by Myself
And spreading out the earth all alone.

If the Lord Jesus is ALONE/ONLY.... how is he included? .............. For ALONE means, having no one else present:

101G.
Is 44:24=Jehovah, your redeemer, i Jehovah. is correct translation.--myself= the only one with the power and wisdom to create anything.
 
ANSWER... "Diversity", supportive scripture just 4 verses later, the answer. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."
The same "Lord" in verse 1 that's at the Right hand,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.

the same "Lord" in verse 1 is the emphatic form of H113, ..... "Yahweh". so Psalms 110:1 would read as this, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord (Yahweh), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

101G.
LORD = the true God--Lord is not God.
 
Yes, I believe Jesus. He said " I and my Father are one" (John 10:30)

Do believe Jesus?
Yes one in purpose= living to do the Fathers will. It says all will be one with them some day=living to do Jesus' Fathers will over self as Jesus does. The true followers do it now( Matt 7:21) thus are one in purpose.
 
Yes one in purpose= living to do the Fathers will. It says all will be one with them some day=living to do Jesus' Fathers will over self as Jesus does. The true followers do it now( Matt 7:21) thus are one in purpose.
So is Jesus now exalted at the right hand of Himself (see Acts 2:33)
 
i am REPORTING your post that you 'deleted' a post on the basis that i was not able to see and read

lol
It was a SCATHING criticism of the anti-trinitarian denial of Biblical truth … but after writing it, it seemed less appropriate for the “JW” section of the site. It is one thing when a fight finds you, and another thing to go into their house and start a fight. ;)
 
It was a SCATHING criticism of the anti-trinitarian denial of Biblical truth … but after writing it, it seemed less appropriate for the “JW” section of the site. It is one thing when a fight finds you, and another thing to go into their house and start a fight. ;)
i hope you did not get offended as i was just adding some light humor
 
Many are being mislead by Gen 1:26 false reasoning= Let US make man in our image--Us and our=We.
Gen 1:27= HE( not we) created--Prov 8:27-28= HE( not we created)--Isaiah 44:24-created by myself---myself = 1, not 2
So what is truth of who the us =
Jehovah( HE) and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one who was beside God during creation process, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son, Jesus.
John 1:3,, Col 1:16--Things were created-THROUGH Jesus= another created it all= HE= Jehovah. By myself= the only one with the power and wisdom to create.
Jesus tells all he was created at Prov 8:22-The Hebrew word translated possessed means created.= The firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15)
Trinity bible scholars( religions) CANNOT teach truth on these facts because it exposes them as false.
All creation occurred at the beginning. Will you believe bible facts?

No exceptions meaning everything created​

Was done by Him and for Him. This includes the angels which Christ created and whom also worship Him now in heaven(see Rev 5).

Col 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

We see above that creation of all things(panta- no exceptions and is all inclusive) were made by Him and solely for Him. They were created for His good pleasure. And without Him nothing was made that was made(see John 1:1-3).

Also since we see He is before all things created then logic and reason dictates that He is Eternal and not part of any creation. He is distinct and separate from created as the Creator.

Here we see that Paul completely exhausts the creation categories:

1)all things created
2)things in heaven
3)things in the earth
4) things visible
5)things invisible
6)thrones,dominions,rulers,authorities
7)the above mentioned things rule out any exceptions

Now we also see from the Apostle Paul that He(Christ) is BEFORE all things and that all things in Him subsist or are held together.

Now tell me Who other than the Almighty God known as YHWH is before all things, created all things and holds the very universe together?

The answer none but God. And Paul tells us in the context that Jesus is the very image of the invisible God. He made the unknown known, the invisible God became visible in the flesh. This is the Incarnation where we see in Christ God was manifest in the flesh. God became man as John's prologue so eloquently spells out in verses 1-18.

So can you like the Author of Hebrews, Paul, Thomas, Peter and John confess Jesus is your God, your Creator?

Angels were created as per Colossians 1:16-17 below who are the created angels , the principalities and powers with rank and order below. And we know only God created them and has the power over them. And Christ is God, their Creator who rules over them.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 1:20-21
which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The angels are His to command.

Matt 13:41
41
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

Matt 24:30-31
30
"And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31"And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 25:31-33
31
"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

2 Thess 1:7
when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

1 Tim 5:21
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.

Heb 1:6
He says,
"AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."


Rev 5:11-12
11
Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."

The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Who has the power over demons ?


Only God has the power and authority over the demons,spirits and angels. It is clear the demons recognized Jesus identity as God in the flesh.


Luke 9:1
And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases.

Matt 8:29
What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?"

Mark 5:7
"What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!"

Luke 10:17-18
The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name." 18 And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Satan was once a good angel. He rebelled against God and left heaven along with the other evil angels. Some say he was hurled from heaven.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


hope this helps !!!
 
Where did Jesus say that? I couldn't find that.

GINOLJC, to all.
sure, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," this confirms Genesis 1:27 ..... right after Genesis 1:26.
he, is a single person, and the he is God. because our brother Mark confirms this. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." Mark recorded the same conversation. this is why we have four Gospels to confirm the other. if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. because common reasoning .... knowing this, allow one to return to Genesis 1:26 to find out why the designations "US" and "OUR" was used.

hope this help.

101G
 
LORD = the true God--Lord is not God.
K, think man .... did you read the post carefully? re-read Psalms 110:1 and then read Psalms 110:5 and LOOK UP the tern "Lord" there who is at the "LORD" right. the same "Lord" in verse 1 is the same "Lord" in verse 5. and in verse 5, it's in emphatic form of H113 the "Lord" in verse 1.


Lord in verse 5: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

it's in the EMPHATIC form, we suggest you look up the term "EMPHATIC" and see what it means..... ok,

101G.
 
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