Actually they simplified teaching to be understood better. Greek scholars, long before the NWT came out has a god at John 1:1--Those translations were rejected by all trinity religions because that one single fact exposes all of them as false religion. The JW,s belong to God and Jesus-There is 0 doubt about that.
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TibiasDad
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No, unmerited favor/grace is given to us by love. The gift of grace is offered in and by love, with the goal and purpose that we too will love as he has loved us.
His graciousness forgives our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness so that we may be made perfect or complete in love.
It is interesting that one who has never taken Greek has the understanding to conquer textual criticism. Hmmm… now who’s on a high horse?
Tell me, how can all the nearly 6000 mss that we have be 99.9% the same content and yet only one is correct? What is the 0.1% difference that all but the KJV possess?
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What do JW's teach is being "born again"?
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I can still read English. LOL We are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God. Words weren't added, they were taken away.
1 John 5:7 NKJV
7For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7 NASB
7 For there are three that testify:
Alexandrians denied the deity of Christ.
Romans 8:1 NKJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:1 NASB
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Alexandrians took out the condition and Martin Luther and John Calvin bought the lie and damned generations. That cannot even be blamed on Augustine! And Origin was even worse! They don't call it the dark ages for nothing.
As for grace being unmerited favor. "Unmerited" was not in the Strong's Concordance. Only favor. You still haven't shown me the Semitic parallelism you claimed you learned while learning Greek. I see no sign of you knowing it at all. Revelation 21:8
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Grace is the free gift of God towards His own elect in Christ Jesus
Those of us who see the Critical Greek text as more accurate do NOT deny Jesus divinity, as the nas and ersv proclaims that truth even more so then the Kjv/Nkjv do
charismaticlady
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Open the gift. What's inside? Maybe @TibiasDad can learn from you - if you even know. But you have to put a western mindset to sleep and learn the eastern Semitic synonymous parallelisms to understand the writings of the apostles.
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Those two verses are critical to who Jesus is and what it means to be a Christian. I'm afraid there will be whole denominations going to hell. And that included me for the first 30 years of attending church every week.
charismaticlady
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Grace is not love. But you cannot have true agape love without grace. So what is grace? Come on, Doug. Use your knowledge of the Semitic writing style synonymous parallelisms you claim to know!
Tyndale had access to more than we have today and his NT has all the KJV has. Why do the Alexandrian codices that spiritualists, Westcott and Hort, translated have vital words and the endings of sentences missing to make the half of a sentence say completely the opposite as the whole?
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Righteousness is not self-propelled, it only comes from God’s grace, by God’s hand. We, however, have to avail ourselves of that which he has provided. Those who are weary must come to him to find the rest he offers. (Matt 11:28) Remember, salvation is the result of belief and damnation is the result of unbelief. Jesus does the saving, but he wants us to allow him to do it.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1John 1:9
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Did you know that 1 John 1:9 is the same teaching as Peter's Acts 2:38? It is simply how to become a Christian and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So how many times do we need to use 1 John 1:9 to become a Christian? We either have grace to not sin, or we continue to sin and must confess our sins anew. That is a big hint to what grace is. What does the eastern synonymous parallel tell you is grace.
What is lacking in people who continue to sin? Grace. So what is grace? Do you want me to tell you through three verses? I will if you will admit you lied about knowing the eastern Semitic writing styles (there are more than one). Confession is good for the soul. Matthew 23:12
Think about it, and I'll check in with you later.
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TibiasDad
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This is patently incorrect and defies logic: if we have 5800 mss today, how did Tydale have more to draw from, and what happened to those we do not have that he had?
Tyndale translated from “Luther's Bible, the Latin Vulgate, the annotated Latin and Greek text compiled by the Dutch humanist Erasmus from several Greek manuscripts, and texts then thought to pre-date the Vulgate”
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The stupid monks burned them as fuel per Constantin von Tischendorf in 1859.
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I showed you. 1 John 5:7 and Romans 8:1 are the two that changes doctrine. Tyndale and Erasmus New Testaments are the same when it comes to these two verses. It is the ancient Alexandrian codices that are corrupt and shortened.
TibiasDad
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So many questions here:
1) 1John 5:7 is not found in the oldest and most reliable mss. It does not teach anything that cannot be found in other scriptures.
2) Rom 8:1: “Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.—These words are wanting in the foremost representatives of every group of authorities (except, perhaps, those which belong to the region of Syria), and must certainly be omitted. They have been brought in here from Romans 8:4.”
- Ellicott’s Commentary 19th Century
So 2 centuries after the KJV, there were enough mss without the latter half of the verse, which was found again in 8:4…who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
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Then how could it have been quoted by early church father? Corrupted is not "reliable."
I have heard corrupt teachings using the shortened Romans 8:1. Just as long as you believe in Jesus, your past, present, and future sins are forgiven. No condition. Who cares if it is a few verses away when they stand on just the one out of context? They do the same with Romans 7:14-25!!! How soon they forget verses 5-6.
Why do Weslyans not believe 1 John 3:9?
The Holy Spirit used Koine greek and we are to understand the NT in that mindset
Are you into the Cult of the KJVO then?
NO reputable and recognized greek scholar would affirm the translation the "word was a god"
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