Who is the creator

[TibiasDad]

Jesus tells all he was created at Prov 8:22-The Hebrew word translated possessed means created.= The firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15)

The Proverb’s meaning is figurative/poetic in nature, not literal narrative! The original root meaning is to erect from which the idea of making something or “creating” something is found.

The NASB Translation translates it as
acquire (6), acquired (1), acquires (2), bought (20), buy (23), buyer (4), buying (2), buys (1), formed (1), gain acquisition (1), gained (1), get (3), gets (1), gotten (1), owner (1), possessed (1), possessor (2), purchased (3), purchaser (3), recover (1), redeemed (1), sold (1), surely buy (2).
(Note that create is never used.)

Now if we take the meaning to mean buy, acquire, get, etc, we are implying that God did not have wisdom at some point. The same inference is made by using the idea of creating, erecting or making because it means God was lacking “wisdom”.

God clearly does not and has never lacked wisdom, therefore, the word must be meant to convey the meaning of possessing or owning, which are legitimate meanings of the word.

If ‘create’ is a legitimate meaning, so must be all the other meanings that it can be. Context determines the possible meanings in all situations; create is not possible in Pro 8:22 unless God can lack wisdom at any time.

Doug

 

[Keiw1]

Gen 1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Add to this the Word being there according to John, and we have at least two, if not three, which is my own interpretation. There are more than one no matter how you choose to parse it.

Doug

All angels were created prior to Earth and Man. Spirit of God= his active force.

 

[Keiw1]

In Greek, Theos without the article (ho/the) is a generalized term, “a god”, and does not refer to God, but rather a false god(s).

The article preceding Theos (ho Theos/the God, or just capital G God in English.) The article specifies a particular God in contrast to other so called gods. “The ball”,
is a specific ball relative to all other balls that may be chosen.

Ho Theos is the God above all other gods that people may want to worship.

I advise you to follow my advice and take Greek and avoid these mistakes in the future.


Doug

It refers to any called god.

 

[Keiw1]

"Firstborn" here means RULER. David was the youngest of 7 sons, yet he was called the "firstborn." Jesus is not a created being. He is the Creator. Simple, but fatal misinterpretation.

Reality-John 20:17

 

[Keiw1]

The Proverb’s meaning is figurative/poetic in nature, not literal narrative! The original root meaning is to erect from which the idea of making something or “creating” something is found.

The NASB Translation translates it as
acquire (6), acquired (1), acquires (2), bought (20), buy (23), buyer (4), buying (2), buys (1), formed (1), gain acquisition (1), gained (1), get (3), gets (1), gotten (1), owner (1), possessed (1), possessor (2), purchased (3), purchaser (3), recover (1), redeemed (1), sold (1), surely buy (2).
(Note that create is never used.)

Now if we take the meaning to mean buy, acquire, get, etc, we are implying that God did not have wisdom at some point. The same inference is made by using the idea of creating, erecting or making because it means God was lacking “wisdom”.

God clearly does not and has never lacked wisdom, therefore, the word must be meant to convey the meaning of possessing or owning, which are legitimate meanings of the word.

If ‘create’ is a legitimate meaning, so must be all the other meanings that it can be. Context determines the possible meanings in all situations; create is not possible in Pro 8:22 unless God can lack wisdom at any time.

Doug

Jesus is Gods master worker of Prov 8:22-30)-created direct-first and last= Only begotten son, all other things created THROUGH him( John 1:3-Col 1:15-16)--The He at Gen 1:27 = the creator, not both the us at 1:26) Jehovah=architect, creator--Jesus=Gods master worker-builder. 0 doubt in all creation.

 

[TibiasDad]

It refers to any called god.

To which term are you referring? Theos, without the article, is god(s), while ho Theos means the God(s).

In the NT, ho theos refers to God most of the time, 2 Cor 4:4 not withstanding.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Reality-John 20:17

Reality: John 20:28


Doug