Title 2 ~ Isaiah 65: 20 What do you think this means? More so, when and where will it be?

[FreeInChrist]

Isaiah 65:20

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.

Isaiah 65:17 clearly is principally about the final kingdom-heaven

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.

Isaiah 65:18 presents a beautiful picture of joy and gladness in the new creation that God promises to His people.

“But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing And her people for gladness.

Isaiah 65:19 is clearly about how God will bring joy and gladness to His people, replacing their sorrow and mourning with eternal happiness in His presence.

“I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of weeping and the sound of crying.

ENTER NOW a confusing phrase that follows what WILL BE. For time is spent in explanation of "future" end of time and now it reverts back to when?

Isaiah 65:20 talks about about a time of great longevity and flourishing where there will be no more premature deaths or untimely endings, reflecting a period of divine favor and blessings.

Surly this can not be in the new heavens and new earth? But can it be here, before the new heavens and new earth.

There will be a new Jerusalem as verse 18 tells us, but will it be on the New earth or here?

WE, at least I have always understood, after the end comes there will be no more death?

AM I WRONG?

Then why in verse 20 does it say.....

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

 

[TibiasDad]

Isaiah 65:20

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.

Isaiah 65:17 clearly is principally about the final kingdom-heaven

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.

Isaiah 65:18 presents a beautiful picture of joy and gladness in the new creation that God promises to His people.

“But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing And her people for gladness.

Isaiah 65:19 is clearly about how God will bring joy and gladness to His people, replacing their sorrow and mourning with eternal happiness in His presence.

“I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of weeping and the sound of crying.

ENTER NOW a confusing phrase that follows what WILL BE. For time is spent in explanation of "future" end of time and now it reverts back to when?

Isaiah 65:20 talks about about a time of great longevity and flourishing where there will be no more premature deaths or untimely endings, reflecting a period of divine favor and blessings.

Surly this can not be in the new heavens and new earth? But can it be here, before the new heavens and new earth.

There will be a new Jerusalem as verse 18 tells us, but will it be on the New earth or here?

WE, at least I have always understood, after the end comes there will be no more death?

AM I WRONG?

Then why in verse 20 does it say.....

“No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

In my opinion, this is the millennial kingdom where “the lion and the lamb will lay down together”.

There is no death in the new heaven and earth, not just not dying for at least a century.


Doug

 

[Selah]

The way it was explained to me many years ago, the English translation of Isaiah 65:20 differs slightly from the Massoretic text. So this verse is saying that a child will no longer die when it is only a few days old, and a person will no longer be considered old when they reach the age of one hundred. Why? …because at this time, we are living in the eternity, and there are no births or deaths, and each soul exists in incorruptible and immortal bodies. In other words, we are no longer living in our flesh bodies like we have now; in the eternity, our bodies will be spiritual ones!

*The eternity begins after the Great White Throne Judgment.

s e l a h

 

[Dizerner]

I don't have an answer for this.

I'm inclined to think the last half of the verse is an extremely early editorial insertion.

 

[Red Baker]

We should always trust the NT writers to help us with OT scriptures, for they are not written as the NT are written. I think Selah is very close in what she (I think, could be wrong) has been taught and holds to.

After the great white throne judgement, then eternity will begin with no end. Have you ever been off the grid so to speak and lose track of what day it is? I have more than once. I believe (I admit I could be wrong) that's what Isaiah meant when speaking~ "shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days". For sure, no sinners will be there and no more death that is made clear from John's writings in Revelation 21, which we can teach with assurance of knowing we are correct.

Isaiah 65:20​

“There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.”

 

[Jim]

Infants and old men are products of time in this physical universe. It will not exist once Jesus has come back and the judgments at the judgment seat of Christ are complete. All who have received the gift of eternal life will then simply exist. There will be no such thing as time.

 

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@FreeInChrist
@TibiasDad
@Selah
@Dizerner
@Red Baker
@Jim

'There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed.'
(Isa 65:20)

Hello there,

* This does not sound like the new heaven and new earth of Revelation 21, wherein is righteousness. (2 Peter 3:13): surely there will be no 'sinners' there.

'Nevertheless we, according to His promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.'
(2Pet. 3:13)

* Sinners will have been judged, and sentence passed and carried out before that? As seen in Rev. 21:8:-

'But the fearful, and unbelieving,
and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.'
(Rev 21:8)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[TibiasDad]

@FreeInChrist
@TibiasDad
@Selah
@Dizerner
@Red Baker
@Jim

'There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old
shall be accursed.'
(Isa 65:20)

Hello there,

* This does not sound like the new heaven and new earth of Revelation 21, wherein is righteousness. (2 Peter 3:13): surely there will be no 'sinners' there.

'Nevertheless we, according to His promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.'
(2Pet. 3:13)

* Sinners will have been judged, and sentence passed and carried out before that? As seen in Rev. 21:8:-

'But the fearful, and unbelieving,
and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.'
(Rev 21:8)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Isa 65:
17“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.

Thank you for the confidence you have shown in my ability to respond intelligently by including me in this conversation.

This said, it is not an easily understood passage for a couple of reasons:
1) The concept of the New Heaven’s and Earth is a post present tense reality that does not include death. And yet

2) 65:20 certainly implies that death is still an eventual reality.

From Isaiah’s perspective, this is a singular event, but logically we cannot have eternal life and still have death as a reality.

Moreover, there is a strong indication that birthing is still occurring, which means that sexual activity is occurring, which Jesus says that in eternity there is no marriage or giving in marriage. (Matt 22:30)

This is why this particular verse, Isa 65:20, cannot be a post-apocalyptic event. It is possible that the realities Isaiah saw are not cohesive events, but are realities that happen only under the actual reign of Christ, which would also include the millennium. During the 1000 years, all human activities, including marriage, sexual relationships, and children being born, which would fit the idea of death being possible, and people building houses for themselves, which is stated in subsequent verses after 65:20.

We’ll, that’s my point of view, and again thank you for asking my opinion.


Doug

 

[Complete]

Isa 65:
17“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.

Thank you for the confidence you have shown in my ability to respond intelligently by including me in this conversation.

This said, it is not an easily understood passage for a couple of reasons:
1) The concept of the New Heaven’s and Earth is a post present tense reality that does not include death. And yet

2) 65:20 certainly implies that death is still an eventual reality.

From Isaiah’s perspective, this is a singular event, but logically we cannot have eternal life and still have death as a reality.

Moreover, there is a strong indication that birthing is still occurring, which means that sexual activity is occurring, which Jesus says that in eternity there is no marriage or giving in marriage. (Matt 22:30)

This is why this particular verse, Isa 65:20, cannot be a post-apocalyptic event. It is possible that the realities Isaiah saw are not cohesive events, but are realities that happen only under the actual reign of Christ, which would also include the millennium. During the 1000 years, all human activities, including marriage, sexual relationships, and children being born, which would fit the idea of death being possible, and people building houses for themselves, which is stated in subsequent verses after 65:20.

We’ll, that’s my point of view, and again thank you for asking my opinion.


Doug

'There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.'
(Isa 65:20)

Hello @Doug,

Thank you for responding as you have. You have obviously given this thought and consideration, which is all that anyone can ever ask. You have made some good observations. Verse 20 (above) does show that there will be neither early death or premature decay: but the sinner will be accursed (i.e., cut off - see Psalm 101:8):-

'He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within My house:
he that telleth lies shall not tarry in My sight.
I will early destroy all the wicked of the land;
that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD.'
(Psa 101:7-8)

I came to Psalm 101:7-8 through the marginal notes in my Bible, in relation to the word, 'accursed' which means to 'cut off'. The one who practices wickedness shall be cut off. So during this period the Lord is judging.

I agree that this must be millennial. The words that follow in verses 21-25 also indicate that this is descriptive of the millennial reign: especially verse 25:-

'The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
They shall not hurt nor destroy
in all my holy mountain,
saith the LORD.'
(Isa 65:25)

* Referring to the old serpent (Rev.20:2), who brought in all the misery to the world, and to Israel, He will be bound (Rev. 20:1-3), and he will 'lick the dust', a symbol of humiliation, and defeat. Referring to the figures used in Gen, 3:14:-

'And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle,
and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life:'
(Gen 3:14)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris