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What's Wrong with Calvinism?
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Yes, those who believe are in Christ, and being in Christ, they are holy and blameless before God in love as predestined
Ephesians 1:9–14 (NASB95) — 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Yes God chose those who believe in Christ to be holy and blameless
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB95) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
the "in him" are those who believe in him
It does not say He chose those that believe in Christ. The Bible does not yeach He chose you because you chose Him. NOWHERE. In Him in the text precedes believing.
You, refuted it as well. Rather easily.
They were chose on Him to be holy and blameless. The us were chosen, not a "that".
The us (those in Christ) were chosen to be holy and blameless before God in love
They were not chosen to be in Christ.
Men are sealed in Christ when they believe.
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
God, before the foundation of the earth, determined such should be holy and blameless.
Again
The Us were chosen that they would be holy and blameless
The us were not chosen to be in Christ.
The us in the chapter is those in Christ.
There ya go. They were chosen to be holy and blameless. They were not chosen because they would believe. I think you got it finally.
It does say he chose those spoken of in the chapter to be holy and blameless
The us is, in fact, those in Christ
Ephesians 1:1–3 (LEB) — 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus and faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Who become so when they believe accordingly as stated in the same chapter
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Wake up
Those who are in Christ are chosen to be holy and blameless.
One scripturally gets in Christ when they believe
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Your doctrine, contrary to scripture, argues God chose you to believe in Christ so you might be in Christ.
Nowhere in scripture do we read men were chosen to believe and so be in Christ
Nowhere is it written God chooses those who chose Him. Despite your efforts to insert the concept into the text. Belief is something granted or given by God. Given to whomever He chooses to give it to.
Newsflash we can clearly see God choses those in Christ to be holy and blameless before him in love
We also see one gets in Christ by believing in Him
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Nowhere do we read that God irresistibly causes all men who end up in Christ to believe in Christ
Despite your efforts, nowhere do we see that ever mentioned in scripture.
Newsflash. His choice is from the foundation of the world. How is that possible if you did not exist yet if your view is correct?
Verse 13, "In Him also......what follows happens in Him. Irresistible grace is off topic. Good try.
Duh in the same way you think God is giving certain men who do not exist faith
Hello
Are you seriously trying to state God cannot determine that men who are going to believe on Christ should be holy and blameless?
civic
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No it doesn’t Jesus said that to His disciples not us.
atpollard
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Jesus said EVERYTHING to his disciples and not us ... we were not there.No it doesn’t Jesus said that to His disciples not us.
civic
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Wrong many things He said apply to everyone while other things to a specific group at a specific time
So. What does that prove? They were chosen from the foundation of the world and you were not?No it doesn’t Jesus said that to His disciples not us.
All in Christ are chosen to be holy and blameless before God in love.
Um nowhere are men placed in Christ before believing in him
Ephesians 1:13–14 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.
