Read it. So it says "even as He chose us". Who is the us and when was the choice made?
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Is there a reason you keep avoiding the whole verse
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB95) — 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
He chose that they would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
It does not state He chose we would be in him or us to be in him.
BTW where did you get on Christ
You did not make it?
Didn't want to respond to the following?
What the passage does not say, however, is he chose so that those spoken of would be in Christ.
Rather, he chose that those spoken of—those in Christ—would be holy and blameless before him in love.
"Just as He chose us". Who is the us? And who did actually do the choosing? The only choice made in the text. Is there a reason your avoiding my simple questions? Right. The reason He chose us was to be holy and blameless. No one disputes that.
There you go again with the on Christ again and the incomplete scriptural verse
He chose that "we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love"
"HE CHOSE US", Who chose us? NOWHERE does the Bible say He chose you because you chose Him which is basically what your saying.
No, its not "He chose that", its "He chose US". For what you ask? Good question. To be holy and blameless.
The us is those who were in Christ
God chose that they would be holy and blameless before him in love
He did so before the foundation of the earth
The text simply does not state he chose the us to be in Christ.
Read the verse
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB95) — 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
that appears in it
He chose that.
The text does not read he chose that we would be in him as you read it.
So you were in Christ from the foundation of the world then? I never said He chose us to be in Christ. God knew His elect would be and has always known for a eternity.
I did. It says "He chose us". Why? To be holy and blameless. It does not say He chose that. It spells out why the us were chosen. To be holy and blameless.
There is no "for what you ask" in the verse
And the us are those in the passage
The us are the
Ephesians 1:12–13 (NASB95) — 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
One is sealed in him by believing not by unconditional election
that we would be holy and blameless
The text does not state he chose that we would be in Christ
Ephesians 1:12–13 (NASB95) — 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Those who believe are sealed in him
One is made in Christ by believing in him
They are then made holy and blameless before God in love
You are being silly now asking that question
Are you saying God could not know there would be those who would believe in Christ?
but now you say
"I never said He chose us to be in Christ."
That is the Calvinist view are you now rejecting it?
and
"God knew His elect would be and has always known for a eternity."
You would not deny that God could know there would be those who would believe in Jesus?
Ephesians 1:12–13 (NASB95) — 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
and believing in Jesus they would be sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise.
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Yes in the mind and purpose of God. Like He knew Jeremiah to exit B4 he actually existed Jer 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Really? There is no "for what you ask"? You sure? I will simply repeat myself. He chose "us". Why? To ne holy and blameless. No one says your sealed by unconditional election. Now your running from verse 4?
He chose us not a that. Why? To be holy and blameless. That is ecactly what it says.
The us is those in Christ
Hello
Here is how one gets in him
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB95) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
It is by believing
He chose the in him to be holy and blameless
Believing you are ij him
He chose us in Him to be holy and blameless. All those things occur in Him.
Textwise no. There is a that to see what God chose
However examine the passage and see how one gets to be in Christ
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB95) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
It is by believing that one is sealed in him and not being unconditionally elected
