Just using your made up rules.
What's Wrong with Calvinism?
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How are they dead if they have not been born yet? "From the foundation of the world"
Which is after "in whom".
Um when they believed they were sealed
Ephesians 1:13–14 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.
They were sealed in Christ, when they heard and believed.
Not before the foundation of the earth
I did not say they were. That was not my claim
Your doctrine, however, does teach God selects dead men to be holy and blameless
"In Him also....." You were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.
Their not dead if they do not exist. Were you around at the foundation of the world?
So will you then affirm they could not be selected to cause to believe?
Remember no one did exist at that time
Nor was anyone in Christ until
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
They believe then they are in Christ
brightfame52
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They can and are. The elect in Christ [Eph 1:4] are born in this world as described in Eph 2:1-3 needing to be made alive vs 5
Needing and received Redemption through His Blood Eph 1:7
civic
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Yep
God existed at that time and knew would be saved and who would not. It is your side tgat struggles with God doing tve choosing at tgat choice being made from the foundation of the world.
Nope. It is God who grants or gives belief which involves a choice.
brightfame52
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What folk don't realize with God Rom 4:17
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God chose a people in Christ before they existed in time
If God wants to choose people who are in his son to be holy to be holy and blameless in love he can
Scripture, however, never states God has irresistibly installed faith in all those in Christ as your doctrine holds.
The choice was that that in Christ would be holy and blameless
That God would irresistibly install faith in some unconditionally selected is stated nowhere in scripture.
brightfame52
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The Grace of regeneration gives full conversion, which includes Faith in Christ. The Grace of regeneration is the irresistible because man being dead in sin when it occurs is passive. You can't resist resurrection from the dead. It's like saying that the dead Lazarus could have resisted his resurrection from the dead
Nonsense the Holy Spirit will not indwell one still in sin.
brightfame52
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He gives regeneration to sinners, what do you mean. The regenerated person is a new creation, born of incorruptible seed. Even the regenerated still carries along the sinful flesh see Rom 7 and Gal 5
