What kind of Faith did Noah have?

[Titus]

Genesis 6:5,
- and Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him

Hebrews 11:7,
- by faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith

Noah had a faith that moved him to obey Gods commandments.

With the information that the Scriptures give on Noah, it can be understood that Noah had an obedient faith.

Could Noah have been saved just by his belief alone in Gods warning of the destruction of the world?
Or
Did Noah need an obedient faith that worked Gods commandments by building the ark?

If Noah believed all that God told him and instructed him yet chose not to build the ark?
Could Noah's faith alone absent of obeying Gods commandments have saved him?

What caused the world in the days of Noah to be condemned by God?
1Peter 3:20,
- who formerly were disobedient when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared in which few that is eight souls were saved through water

Ecclesiastes 12:13,
- let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter fear God and keep His commandments for this is mans all

I've heard it said faith that has no works is the faith that saves in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The works God gives us to do are His commandments just as He instructed Noah.

Question: Can we believe but not obey all of Gods commandments and be saved by our faith alone?
Is that the way God saved Noah?
Also Who did God not save? Was it not the people who were disobedient to Gods commandments?

Last question: Since God saved Noah as a man with an obedient faith. Did God change His mind and now saves those with faith apart from obedience to His commandments?

If God does save folks today that disobey His commandments then God has changed His nature. For in the old testament God destroyed all the world that disobeyed Him.

Malachi 3:6,
- for I am the Lord, I do not change

 

[L.A.M.B.]

This is our works.......of faith!
John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE SENT.

Colossians 2:8-10
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in HIm dwelleth ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. And ye are COMPLETE in him, which is the head of all principality and power"

Our commandments
Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments HANG ALL the law and the prophets.
( Jesus IS God, there is no separation of his 3 essences or manifestations! )

John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

ALL will be judged but not ALL the judgments will be of the same standards.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

For the faithful believers in Jesus.......
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

For the unbelievers & disobedient of the world....
Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before GOD; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And WHOSOEVER was NOT found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[mailmandan]

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated that Noah believed God about flooding the earth and the ark saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning. (Hebrews 11:17) If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith in what God told him about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.

 

[Soyeong]

This is our works.......of faith!
John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE SENT.

The way to believe in Father is by believing that we ought to be doers of His character, which is also the way to believe in the Son because the Son is the exact image of God's character (Hebrews 1:3). For example, our good works testify about God's goodness, which is why they give glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the believe that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. Likewise the way to believe that God is just is by following His instructions for how to be doers of His justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by following His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy. If someone refuses to obey God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, then they are living in a way that testifies that God is not holy. In other words, if God were not holy and that makes no difference to the way that someone chooses to live, then, they are choose to live in a way that treats God as though He were no holy, so they do not believe that God is holy.

Colossians 2:8-10
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in HIm dwelleth ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. And ye are COMPLETE in him, which is the head of all principality and power"

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so verse that speak about those who are in Christ are not speaking about those who are not walking in obedience to God's law.

Our commandments
Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments HANG ALL the law and the prophets.
( Jesus IS God, there is no separation of his 3 essences or manifestations! )

The position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should love God and our neighbor, but that we don't need to refrain from committing murder, idolatry, theft, adultery, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of God's law.

John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Jesus summarized God's law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so he expressed his love for his neighbor through his obedience to it, and that is also how we are to love one another.

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in what He has instructed.

ALL will be judged but not ALL the judgments will be of the same standards.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

For the faithful believers in Jesus.......
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

For the unbelievers & disobedient of the world....
Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before GOD; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And WHOSOEVER was NOT found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal life for those who obey him, and in Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life.

 

[Hosanna]

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated that Noah believed God about flooding the earth and the ark saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning. (Hebrews 11:17) If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith in what God told him about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.

I would say that's the right answer to the op. Noah had faith in God. Faith in God to believe what he said and to do what he said. The same kind of faith we should have.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Why does any suppose Christ was NOT given at the beginning when the promise of redemption was made ???

Well, let us look at those whom had faith or truly believed God!
Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
As early as chapter 4 did men begin to call on the name of the Lord.........why not a Saviour then?

By Gen.6:5-9 God observed this.....
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

He had to destroy that which he created and only one man believed God ! ........Noah

Why not a saviour or messiah when the offspring of Abraham suffered in Egypt?
God had to give them the law bc of their rebellious hearts!
Throughout their history the Law can be seen practiced by the rebellious religious hearts of men whom presume their works will save them.
Four thousand years; 4 millenniums, God dealt with them; AND THEY WOULD NOT!

Jesus said as much.......
Matthew 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

To say our works, our actions is our faith, is to be a judaizer.
Our faith of believing the WORK OF GOD, which is CHRIST, is what saves us !
NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW! @Soyeong

We then walk as Christ walked but NOT under the burden of the law which only put off but could not save, but under grace, by which the PROMISE was fulfilled!

Jesus said his burden is light and his yoke easy, why then would one want to live under the burden of the LAW of Israel, as opposed to the LAW of GRACE and liberty offered by Jesus our saviour ?????

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Last question: Since God saved Noah as a man with an obedient faith.

There's no other kind. That's the book of James in a nutshell. If you SAY you have faith, but aren't Changed, and your "Faith" doesn't produce, because of it's intrinsic nature, "good works", then you don't have Biblical Faith - period.

 

[Soyeong]

Why does any suppose Christ was NOT given at the beginning when the promise of redemption was made ???

Well, let us look at those whom had faith or truly believed God!
Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
As early as chapter 4 did men begin to call on the name of the Lord.........why not a Saviour then?

By Gen.6:5-9 God observed this.....
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

He had to destroy that which he created and only one man believed God ! ........Noah

Why not a saviour or messiah when the offspring of Abraham suffered in Egypt?
God had to give them the law bc of their rebellious hearts!
Throughout their history the Law can be seen practiced by the rebellious religious hearts of men whom presume their works will save them.
Four thousand years; 4 millenniums, God dealt with them; AND THEY WOULD NOT!

Jesus said as much.......
Matthew 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13, we are to use Israel's rebellion against the Mosaic Law as an example of what we should avoid doing, not as an example for us to emulate. You shouldn't point fingers at Israel when you are rebelling against the same thing that they rebelled against.

To say our works, our actions is our faith, is to be a judaizer.

No, the Judaizers were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved (Acts 15:1), so I agree with Paul's opposition against them.

The Bible repeatedly connects our faith with our obedience to God's law. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law. In James 2:18, he said he would show his faith by his works. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In John 3:36, obedience to Jesus is equated with believing in him. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is of people taking actions. In Hebrews 3:18-19, disobedience to God's law is equated with unbelief. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith. And so forth.

Our faith of believing the WORK OF GOD, which is CHRIST, is what saves us !
NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW! @Soyeong

It is contradictory to have faith in God's word made flesh, but not in God's word. I have been speaking in favor of obeying the Mosaic Law, not works of the law.

We then walk as Christ walked but NOT under the burden of the law which only put off but could not save, but under grace, by which the PROMISE was fulfilled

Jesus said his burden is light and his yoke easy, why then would one want to live under the burden of the LAW of Israel, as opposed to the LAW of GRACE and liberty offered by Jesus our saviour ?????

Jesus walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to refuse to learn from his example. Furthermore, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as being the good way where we will find rest for our souls. It is contradictory to walk as Christ walked while not walking in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In Psalms 119:30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. So the Mosaic Law is the Law of Grace and liberty offered by Jesus our Savior. It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that we don't need to obey it is the position that we don't need a Savior. In Acts 3:25-26, Jesus was sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, and again wickedness is what is contrary to obeying the Mosaic Law.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13, we are to use Israel's rebellion against the Mosaic Law as an example of what we should avoid doing, not as an example for us to emulate. You shouldn't point fingers at Israel when you are rebelling against the same thing that they rebelled against.


No, the Judaizers were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved (Acts 15:1), so I agree with Paul's opposition against them.

The Bible repeatedly connects our faith with our obedience to God's law. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law. In James 2:18, he said he would show his faith by his works. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In John 3:36, obedience to Jesus is equated with believing in him. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is of people taking actions. In Hebrews 3:18-19, disobedience to God's law is equated with unbelief. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith. And so forth.


It is contradictory to have faith in God's word made flesh, but not in God's word. I have been speaking in favor of obeying the Mosaic Law, not works of the law.


Jesus walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to refuse to learn from his example. Furthermore, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as being the good way where we will find rest for our souls. It is contradictory to walk as Christ walked while not walking in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In Psalms 119:30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. So the Mosaic Law is the Law of Grace and liberty offered by Jesus our Savior. It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that we don't need to obey it is the position that we don't need a Savior. In Acts 3:25-26, Jesus was sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, and again wickedness is what is contrary to obeying the Mosaic Law.

You go right ahead and obey the Mosaic law, all 613 if you like. For if you break one you are quilty of all but it is not under grace!

1 Peter 2:15-17
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

We are done in this conversation !

 

[Soyeong]

You go right ahead and obey the Mosaic law, all 613 if you like. For if you break one you are quilty of all

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who have sinned by committing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late, and he was not trying to discourage them from obeying God's law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to obey it more consistently.

but it is not under grace!

In Psalms 119:29-30 and Exodus 33:13, they wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching them to obey the Mosaic Law, so that is what it means to be under grace.

1 Peter 2:15-17
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

We are done in this conversation !

It is the will of God for us to obey His commands, not for us to refuse to obey them. The liberty that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do the things that God has revealed through His law to be sin.

 

[brightfame52]

Genesis 6:5,
- and Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him

Hebrews 11:7,
- by faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith

Noah had a faith that moved him to obey Gods commandments.

With the information that the Scriptures give on Noah, it can be understood that Noah had an obedient faith.

Could Noah have been saved just by his belief alone in Gods warning of the destruction of the world?
Or
Did Noah need an obedient faith that worked Gods commandments by building the ark?

If Noah believed all that God told him and instructed him yet chose not to build the ark?
Could Noah's faith alone absent of obeying Gods commandments have saved him?

What caused the world in the days of Noah to be condemned by God?
1Peter 3:20,
- who formerly were disobedient when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared in which few that is eight souls were saved through water

Ecclesiastes 12:13,
- let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter fear God and keep His commandments for this is mans all

I've heard it said faith that has no works is the faith that saves in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The works God gives us to do are His commandments just as He instructed Noah.

Question: Can we believe but not obey all of Gods commandments and be saved by our faith alone?
Is that the way God saved Noah?
Also Who did God not save? Was it not the people who were disobedient to Gods commandments?

Last question: Since God saved Noah as a man with an obedient faith. Did God change His mind and now saves those with faith apart from obedience to His commandments?

If God does save folks today that disobey His commandments then God has changed His nature. For in the old testament God destroyed all the world that disobeyed Him.

Malachi 3:6,
- for I am the Lord, I do not change

Noah had a faith that Christ was the author and finisher of Heb 12

 

[mailmandan]

There's no other kind. That's the book of James in a nutshell. If you SAY you have faith, but aren't Changed, and your "Faith" doesn't produce, because of it's intrinsic nature, "good works", then you don't have Biblical Faith - period.

Amen! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

 

[Complete]

Genesis 6:5,​

- and Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him​

​

Hebrews 11:7,​

- by faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith​

​

Noah had a faith that moved him to obey Gods commandments.​

​

With the information that the Scriptures give on Noah, it can be understood that Noah had an obedient faith.​

​

Could Noah have been saved just by his belief alone in Gods warning of the destruction of the world?​

Or​

Did Noah need an obedient faith that worked Gods commandments by building the ark?​

​

If Noah believed all that God told him and instructed him yet chose not to build the ark?​

Could Noah's faith alone absent of obeying Gods commandments have saved him?​

'Abraham believed God
and it was counted unto him
for righteousness'
(Romans 4:3)

Hello @Titus,

Abraham believed God, ('of things as yet unseen'), in regard to an heir and the land that he and his offspring would inherit: and he proved his faith by acting in obedience to God's known will for him. Noah also believed God ('of things as yet unseen') acting upon God's instruction, and building the Ark to God's specifications, though he had never seen rain before, and preaching to his fellow men, warning them of what was to come. Because of this he, like Abraham, became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith, and not works.

The work of faith that I am called upon to make, is to believe God, and trust in the all-sufficient sacrifice of His Beloved Son to save me from sin and it's penalty, by receiving the gift of life which is given to me freely by God, on the basis of the finished work of Christ on my behalf. I now reckon myself to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Christ Jesus my risen and glorified, Saviour, Lord and Head. I also believe, like Abraham and Noah, ('of things as yet unseen'), for I live by faith, and not by sight: in the spirit, and not in the flesh; and as a member of His Body I now look for the appearing of my Saviour, in the sure and certain hope that when He who is my life, shall appear, then I too, will appear with Him there in glory.
,
This is my faith position? Is it yours?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Amen! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

BINGO!!!

 

[Complete]

Genesis 6:5,​

- and Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him​

​

Hebrews 11:7,​

- by faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith​

​

Noah had a faith that moved him to obey Gods commandments.​

With the information that the Scriptures give on Noah, it can be understood that Noah had an obedient faith.​

Could Noah have been saved just by his belief alone in Gods warning of the destruction of the world?​

Or​

Did Noah need an obedient faith that worked Gods commandments by building the ark?​

​

If Noah believed all that God told him and instructed him yet chose not to build the ark?​

Could Noah's faith alone absent of obeying Gods commandments have saved him?​

Hello @Titus,

Noah and Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto them for righteousness. A righteousness which is according to faith.

What caused the world in the days of Noah to be condemned by God?​

1Peter 3:20,​

- who formerly were disobedient when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared in which few that is eight souls were saved through water​

'And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;
both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air;
for it repenteth me that I have made them.'
(Gen 6:5-7)

Ecclesiastes 12:13,​

- let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter fear God and keep His commandments for this is mans all​

​

I've heard it said faith that has no works is the faith that saves in the gospel of Jesus Christ.​

The works God gives us to do are His commandments just as He instructed Noah.​

​

Question: Can we believe but not obey all of Gods commandments and be saved by our faith alone?​

Is that the way God saved Noah?​

Also Who did God not save? Was it not the people who were disobedient to Gods commandments?​

* Those who perished in the flood were those who did not believe God. If they had done so, opportunity was given for them to enter the ark, with Noah and his family.

Last question: Since God saved Noah as a man with an obedient faith. Did God change His mind and now saves those with faith apart from obedience to His commandments?​

​

If God does save folks today that disobey His commandments then God has changed His nature. For in the old testament God destroyed all the world that disobeyed Him.​

​

Malachi 3:6,​

- for I am the Lord, I do not change​

* Noah proved his faith in God by acting upon God's instruction, and building an ark to God's specification. He and his family entered the ark when told, and God closed the door.

* Today if any man will hear and belief the gospel of God concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, they shall be saved. God places them in Christ (1 Cor.1:30-32) For He is our ark.

Praise God!

 

[Obadiah]

Big Faith. We are called to be faithful to the love of God. Our faithfulness accepts the accuracy of that truth and responds to His redeeming love. So faithfulness as fruit of the Spirit begins with faith in God and continues in faithful relationship with Him. That is the vertical dimension of faithfulness that is worked out in our horizontal human relationships.

So if God tells us to build a boat, our response should be "How big a boat?"

 

[sethproton]

This is our works.......of faith!
John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE SENT.

Colossians 2:8-10
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in HIm dwelleth ALL the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. And ye are COMPLETE in him, which is the head of all principality and power"

Our commandments
Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments HANG ALL the law and the prophets.
( Jesus IS God, there is no separation of his 3 essences or manifestations! )

John 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

ALL will be judged but not ALL the judgments will be of the same standards.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

For the faithful believers in Jesus.......
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

For the unbelievers & disobedient of the world....
Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before GOD; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And WHOSOEVER was NOT found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hebrews 11:7 got my attention, Had never occured to me to categorize Noah as a prophet. I wonder why, since it is evident. hmmm?

 

[Titus]

Since we know Noah built the ark because he believed what God told him, this teaches us Noah's works was his Faith in action.

Therefore faith alone cannot accurately represent Biblical faith because if Noah had only believed but not done the work God gave him his faith could not of saved him.

Conclusion: Biblical faith has the power to save,
Noah's faith was a faith that worked Gods commandments.
Noah's faith saved because it obeyed by working Gods commandments.
Therefore faith absent of obedient works has no power to save therefore faith without works is not saving faith.

James 2:24,
- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone


Faith with no works is the religion of salvation by faith alone.
Notice how James defines faith apart from works, notice how it is always negative never positive,

James 2: 17,
- Even so faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone

James 2:20,
- but wilt thou know O foolish man that faith without works is dead

James 2:22,
- Seest thou His faith wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect

James 2:23-24,
- Ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith only

James 2:26,
- for as the body without the spirit is dead(dead corpse) so faith without works is dead also

Conclusion:
Faith alone(absent of obedient works to Gods commandments)
Is only described in the negative by James never once positive

So faith onlyist are teaching by ignorance that we are saved by a faith that is,
Dead
Imperfect (incomplete)
And cannot justify

Dont try to be saved by a faith that is dead like a dead corpse seperated from the spirit
Dont try to be saved by a faith that is imperfect still incomplete in bringing about Gods grace to make one righteous
Dont try to be saved by a faith that cannot justify because it is absent of obedience to God

James 2:14,
- what doth it profit my brethren though a man say he hath faith alone and hath not works can His faith alone save him?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Noah had saving faith.
God spoke.
Noah obeyed.
Noah was saved.

 

[Titus]

Noah had saving faith.
God spoke.
Noah obeyed.
Noah was saved.

Noah had saving faith.
God spoke.
Noah obeyed.
Noah was saved.

Amen, it's that simple.
I love when someone MAKES IT PLAIN.

Folks who try to hide the truth will make Bible subjects overly complicated to confuse folks thereby blinding them from the simple truth.
Love your comment friend.