What do JW's Believe ?

[TibiasDad]

Twisted rendition of what those 2 Greek words mean by trinity believers. There is no trinity God in existence. No trinity was served prior to the council of Constantinople 381 ce where they added the holy spirit as being part of a godhead.

This says nothing about your alleged knowledge of Greek. Everything you said about the meaning of the Greek was certifiably incorrect. Own up to your own words and mistakes. Maybe then an honest conversation can be had.

I’m not a Greek expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve formally studied it, and no one with any proper training in Greek would say what you have said- Not even a JW that has studied Greek.

Doug

 

[Keiw1]

This says nothing about your alleged knowledge of Greek. Everything you said about the meaning of the Greek was certifiably incorrect. Own up to your own words and mistakes. Maybe then an honest conversation can be had.

I’m not a Greek expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve formally studied it, and no one with any proper training in Greek would say what you have said- Not even a JW that has studied Greek.

Doug

There are Greek scholars on both sides. Only 1side is correct. Its not your side. Facts of true God worship history prove it.

 

[TibiasDad]

There are Greek scholars on both sides. Only 1side is correct. Its not your side. Facts of true God worship history prove it.

Quote one that substantiates your argument.

Doug

 

[civic]

There are Greek scholars on both sides. Only 1side is correct. Its not your side. Facts of true God worship history prove it.

please name a greek scholar who is a unitarian,thanks

 

[Keiw1]

Quote one that substantiates your argument.

Doug

Abner Kneeland-1822 NT translation-a Greek scholar( unbias) compared Greek to english side by side to prove to the world-a god is correct. 19 other translations in history( by Greek scholars) has a god, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike

 

[Keiw1]

please name a greek scholar who is a unitarian,thanks

Thomas N. Winter

 

[Fred]

Thomas N. Winter

Please supply any articles or books, etc. in which he has written about Christology.

 

[TibiasDad]

Abner Kneeland-1822 NT translation-a Greek scholar( unbias) compared Greek to english side by side to prove to the world-a god is correct. 19 other translations in history( by Greek scholars) has a god, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike

1) That is not what you said, you said:

I know some Greek-In Greek the word used for capitol G God ends in a v--For a small g god ends in a g-like the word got in the last line at John 1:1 and every small g god got. So i don't need to listen to men's twisted analogy's of what words mean.

Kneeland does not say anything close to your claim. Just admit that you’re wrong and we can move on. Theon is the accusative of Theos. Theos means God when it has an article in the indicative. In other cases the article may or may not be needed to infer the capital G or proper title of God.
The JW’s translation, The New World Translation, translates Theos as God many times without the definite article:

Matthew 5:9, Happy are the peaceable, for they will be called “sons of God.”

Matthew 6:24, No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for riches.

Luke 1:35, In answer the angel said to her: "Holy Spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be holy, God’s Son.

Luke 1:76-78, But as for you, young child, you will be called a prophet of the Most High, for you will go in advance before Jehovah to make his ways ready, to give knowledge of salvation to his people by forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender compassion of our God. With this [compassion] a daybreak will visit us from on high.

John 1:6, There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of God: his name was John.

John 1:12-13, However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.

John 1:18, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him

Romans 1:7, To all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.

Doug

 

[civic]

Thomas N. Winter

he was classical greek ( attic ) not biblical Greek ( koine ).

 

[Keiw1]

1) That is not what you said, you said:

Kneeland does not say anything close to your claim. Just admit that you’re wrong and we can move on. Theon is the accusative of Theos. Theos means God when it has an article in the indicative. In other cases the article may or may not be needed to infer the capital G or proper title of God.
The JW’s translation, The New World Translation, translates Theos as God many times without the definite article:

Matthew 5:9, Happy are the peaceable, for they will be called “sons of God.”

Matthew 6:24, No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for riches.

Luke 1:35, In answer the angel said to her: "Holy Spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be holy, God’s Son.

Luke 1:76-78, But as for you, young child, you will be called a prophet of the Most High, for you will go in advance before Jehovah to make his ways ready, to give knowledge of salvation to his people by forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender compassion of our God. With this [compassion] a daybreak will visit us from on high.

John 1:6, There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of God: his name was John.

John 1:12-13, However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.

John 1:18, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him

Romans 1:7, To all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.

Doug

And Jesus answers all the false reasonings of men= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. Who do you follow-Jesus or mens reasonings?

 

[Keiw1]

he was classical greek ( attic ) not biblical Greek ( koine ).

He knew koine as well. the bible was one of his specialties.

 

[Fred]

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/jesus-knows-the-hearts-of-all-people-which-proves-he-is-the-proper-recipient-of-prayer.527/page-2#post-16861

 

[Keiw1]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/jesus-knows-the-hearts-of-all-people-which-proves-he-is-the-proper-recipient-of-prayer.527/page-2#post-16861

Not true

 

[Fred]

Not true

Wow. Great job.
Your detailed refutation was simply overwhelming.

Let's get this straight. Just you saying so doesn't mean it is so without zero proof to back it up. This isn't the Kingdom Hall where that kind of logic works.


You are still dodging post 87.
Let me guess, this scholar hasn't written anything of value about it.
Pathetic.

 

[TibiasDad]

And Jesus answers all the false reasonings of men= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. Who do you follow-Jesus or mens reasonings?

Keiw 1, you’re shifting the focus/moving the goal post demonstrates both your guilt of making wrong arguments, and the typical cultic behavior of avoiding the evidence of your error.

Your original argument is patently false and when I asked you for a singular Greek scholar that makes the same argument, you quote Kneeland that doesn’t say what you said, thus failing to cite corroborating evidence that agrees with your own argument.

Again, you do not know the Greek alphabet, let alone Greek syntax and grammar. Just admit it and let an honest conversation begin.


Doug

 

[Keiw1]

Wow. Great job.
Your detailed refutation was simply overwhelming.

Let's get this straight. Just you saying so doesn't mean it is so without zero proof to back it up. This isn't the Kingdom Hall where that kind of logic works.


You are still dodging post 87.
Let me guess, this scholar hasn't written anything of value about it.
Pathetic.

Bible scholar A.t. Robertson-- When Ton Theos and plain Theos is in the same paragraph--ONLY Ton Theos is being called-God-plain Theos is being called-god.

 

[Keiw1]

Keiw 1, you’re shifting the focus/moving the goal post demonstrates both your guilt of making wrong arguments, and the typical cultic behavior of avoiding the evidence of your error.

Your original argument is patently false and when I asked you for a singular Greek scholar that makes the same argument, you quote Kneeland that doesn’t say what you said, thus failing to cite corroborating evidence that agrees with your own argument.

Again, you do not know the Greek alphabet, let alone Greek syntax and grammar. Just admit it and let an honest conversation begin.


Doug

It doesn't matter if one is a scholar in languages-Info is 100% available in seconds on any computer. Kneeland translated the NT from Greek-a god is in his translation. Only a Greek scholar can translate from Greek. As well here is a bible scholars truth of John 1:1= A.T.Robertson--When Ton Theos is in the same paragraph as plain Theos-Ton Theos= God, plain Theos = god.

 

[Fred]

Bible scholar A.t. Robertson-

John 20:28
"Thomas was wholly convinced and did not hesitate to address the Risen Christ as Lord and God. And Jesus accepts the words and praises Thomas for so doing."

John 20 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

John 20, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament is a rich resource for understanding Scripture, delving into original language and cultural nuances.

www.studylight.org

Thanks for making this easy for me.

You should also enjoy what Robertson says concerning John 9:38.
"In John (see John 4:20) this verb "is always used to express divine worship" (Bernard). It is tragic to hear men today deny that Jesus should be worshipped. He accepted worship from this new convert as he later did from Thomas who called him "God" (John 20:28). Peter (Acts 10:25) refused worship from Cornelius as Paul and Barnabas did at Lystra (Acts 14:18), but Jesus made no protest here."

John 9 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

John 9, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament is a rich resource for understanding Scripture, delving into original language and cultural nuances.

www.studylight.org

 

[TibiasDad]

It doesn't matter if one is a scholar in languages-Info is 100% available in seconds on any computer. Kneeland translated the NT from Greek-a god is in his translation.

Kneeland is one translation from 200 years ago, and he is not the only translator. There are myriads more that do not translate it as “a god” so that point is moot. Secondly, and again, this does not substantiate your “v”, “g” argument, in which you claim (wrongly) that the Greek letter ς (sigma) corresponds to the English letter g, and for which you have not acknowledged your error and corrected it. Furthermore, the “v” (Greek letter nu) in Theon does not constitute a capital G, God translation.

Only a Greek scholar can translate from Greek.

I would say that Greek person raised speaking Greek could do it too. Even a non-scholarly person.


Doug

 

[Keiw1]

John 20:28
"Thomas was wholly convinced and did not hesitate to address the Risen Christ as Lord and God. And Jesus accepts the words and praises Thomas for so doing."

John 20 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

John 20, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament is a rich resource for understanding Scripture, delving into original language and cultural nuances.

www.studylight.org

Thanks for making this easy for me.

You should also enjoy what Robertson says concerning John 9:38.
"In John (see John 4:20) this verb "is always used to express divine worship" (Bernard). It is tragic to hear men today deny that Jesus should be worshipped. He accepted worship from this new convert as he later did from Thomas who called him "God" (John 20:28). Peter (Acts 10:25) refused worship from Cornelius as Paul and Barnabas did at Lystra (Acts 14:18), but Jesus made no protest here."

John 9 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

John 9, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament is a rich resource for understanding Scripture, delving into original language and cultural nuances.

www.studylight.org

He erred about worship. But was correct that the word was not called God at John 1:1 like satan willed deceiving bibles have.