False religion is Babylon the great--It says-the merchants stand at a distance and mourn the doing away of Babylon the great, because their shelves remain full= no more religious holidays. If the shelves are full, the factory shelves are full= worldwide layoffs all at once, this begins the tribulation. And the kings of the earth watch her fall, they do it. It occurs by God putting it into their hearts. It can't be stopped. And her end will occur quickly.
What do JW's Believe ?
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e v e
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God showed me
eve will reject adam
who has imprisoned her since the fall
and cease to give him any help or love...
adam - who did not die -
dies...
and, God forgives eve
the 144k
escape this earth and
meet Christ on the clouds
... they return to the other reality
and rebuild desolated eden
with Christ and rule with Christ
on this earth, the sun will go dark...
this is a cosmological event
where this sun,
which is the plasma dome
over the evil realm paradise
(elysian fields)
ceases
the locusts of rev arrive here...
these are demons and entities
displaced when God
destroys their paradise
= the end of their
false paradise and its dome...
and the end of their vamping of eden
jacob however was left behind...
because refusing 'the belief'!!
... and instead staying with the kjv, false pastors,
not caring to understand God's version of the scroll
not caring to inquire of the prophets
to understand
this earth is ravaged by those demons
... jacob undergoes many trials
and dies to his ego
the 144k (as the two witnesses)
having restored paradise with Christ
return to this earth with Christ
and witness to jacob during tribulation
who by now is humiliated
and listens finally and before he dies
chooses Christ
jacob dies in his body
and is brought to eden
in the other reality
and as the 144k
all of jacob are restored to their
gorgeous eden nature
and body
as are all the OT saints,
early church, and all are
reunited in eden paradise
this current earth
is desolated
and no one remembers it anymore
true there won't be work...
there is no light or food
and millions of locusts are
murdering
You have it all twisted.
e v e
Well-known member
it is true
e v e
Well-known member
just as the 144k are restored to their original body
so will be jacob after tribulation
who will join the 144k in paradise
why is that a problem?
The 144 k are the ones changed in the twinkling of an eye to spirit beings-They will sit on thrones beside Jesus in heaven( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)
e v e
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at the Change (when the 144k will
meet Christ on the clouds) they
will be Changed into their glorified Eden body
the original lost
because of the fall
which is not this physical matrix body, this flesh
which we are in now because of adam's crimes...
and with Christ the 144k will rebuild eden paradise
and Rule with Christ in our restored land
in the other reality.
there is no such thing as disembodied spirit beings
except in hieroglyphs etc, that is true of the
satanic entities and demons..
npsh, the term for body is also the term for soul..
and is what the satanic realm robbed us
of because of adam, our original
body made by God.
there are also the 144k antisons,
who are the sons of ammon/satanic entities
trying to obtain spirit beings..
by continuing their theft of the birthright.
but that is NOT God's version at all.
that is where esau concept comes from -
esau stole from Jacob First... after the fall...
and later in the OT Jacob won back the birthright...
which was legally
whereas the 144k will win it back De Facto.
Believe
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To justify their teachings as biblical, The New World Translation of the Bible was completed by JW leaders in 1961. It is heavily criticized by many prominent biblical scholars for being biased and flatly inaccurate. The teachings of the Watchtower Society disagree with the Bible (as accurately translated) in many vital ways. Here are some examples of unbiblical JW doctrines, with biblical references that contradict them appearing in parentheses:
• Satan is the originator of the doctrine of the Trinity (but see Mt 28:19; Jn 14:10–11, 16, 23, 26).
• Jehovah’s first creation was Jesus, so Jesus is a created being (but see Jn 1:3; 1Co 8:6).
• Jesus is not God but rather Michael the Archangel (but see Jn 1:1, 14; Php 2:6; Col 2:9).
• Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on an upright stake (but see Gl 6:14; Php 2:8).
• The resurrection of Jesus was spiritual, not physical (but see Jn 20:27; 1Co 15:12).
• The Holy Spirit is “God’s active force,” not a personal being (but see Ac 5:3; 1Co 2:10, 11).
• The souls of non-JWs will be annihilated. There is no hell (but see Mt 5:22; Lk 12:5).
The next time JWs come to your door, don’t just hide behind the couch and pretend you’re not home. Learn more about this religion so you can effectively share your faith with these hardworking but tragically misled people. Show them the truth about Scripture and Jesus’s promise of eternal life.
The Apologetics Study Bible
• Satan is the originator of the doctrine of the Trinity (but see Mt 28:19; Jn 14:10–11, 16, 23, 26).
• Jehovah’s first creation was Jesus, so Jesus is a created being (but see Jn 1:3; 1Co 8:6).
• Jesus is not God but rather Michael the Archangel (but see Jn 1:1, 14; Php 2:6; Col 2:9).
• Jesus did not die on a cross but rather on an upright stake (but see Gl 6:14; Php 2:8).
• The resurrection of Jesus was spiritual, not physical (but see Jn 20:27; 1Co 15:12).
• The Holy Spirit is “God’s active force,” not a personal being (but see Ac 5:3; 1Co 2:10, 11).
• The souls of non-JWs will be annihilated. There is no hell (but see Mt 5:22; Lk 12:5).
The next time JWs come to your door, don’t just hide behind the couch and pretend you’re not home. Learn more about this religion so you can effectively share your faith with these hardworking but tragically misled people. Show them the truth about Scripture and Jesus’s promise of eternal life.
The Apologetics Study Bible
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Jehovah’s Witnesses claim the Christian Bible is corrupted and that their New World Translation is the only accurate version in spite of its numerous translation errors and documented changes over the years.
Jehovah’s Witnesses deny all of the major doctrines of historical, biblical Christianity. These include the Trinity, the deity of Jesus, the personality of the Holy Spirit, and Jesus’s work of atonement.
Jehovah’s Witnesses have a history plagued by false prophecies that include the failed returns of Jesus in 1874 and 1914, the failed coming of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in 1925, and the failed prophecy that Armageddon would occur in 1975.
When they come to my house they should have a clue I'm a Christian because because of all my Christian decorations I have by the front door. So instead of ringing the doorbell it just stick their little track in the crack of the door.
I'm a little disappointed because I would love to ask them who Jesus is and see what their answer would be.
I like the answer @civic gave in the OP:
"Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being. This contradicts many passages of Scripture that clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1, 14; 8:58; 10:30)."
You must not know what Jesus teaches= very sad for you. Its 100% fact= in every translation on earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers all the way. As does true God worship history. You best relook. Learn what Jesus actually teaches.
I will help you begin--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--You see blind guides teach to seek Jesus' righteousness first-Why? Because they do not know him or God. The mislead believe them over Jesus.
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My but you're awfully full of yourself. Last thing I need is your help. Kick rocks. See what happened when you degrade people? You get ignored.
Believe
Active member
What really turns me off about Jehovah Witnesses is they don’t celebrate Christmas because they deny the incarnation of Jesus Christ. And they don’t celebrate Easter because they deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.
That's sacrilegious, I love celebrating the birth of Jesus his resurrection. Celebrating Jesus is the best thing we can do. And all the real Christians said... AMEN!
e v e
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The reason one seeks Christ first is that God gave to Christ His Son that job, to incarnate here and represent us as our leader and deity before God.
All the sons restored to eden paradise will be restored to their original being which is deity, His nature, not this fallen nature.
He our father remains God. our restoration which I described means all His sons will rule in restored eden paradise With Christ.
e v e
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every translation is corrupt even yours.
that is called the sealed vision, the corrupt scroll.
including paul's letters.
Satan, through his servant esau types, mixed his own evil words into what God said!!
Esau pharisees have filled the ranks of theology since before the OT fathers got cursed ...
before that there was no written down version needed.
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e v e
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esau's turned christmas into a pagan holiday. I'm not JW at all and it's clear. Santa, christmas trees etc - all pagan.
Likewise easter eggs, bunnies etc.
I think the point is to understand what really happened and not to be tricked into celebrating satanic components added in by esau.
e v e
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this earth IS babylon.
The satanic hq in the other reality is mystery-babylon.
please consider: the shelves is a misconstrual.
the mystery babylon satanic principalities
in the other reality
trade in souls (= Us, His souls)
and will mourn when their gig is up
for we are their stolen treasure!
we are the hostages ...
see ezekiel the evil cities
atop eden vampiring her
such that the eden trees cry...
for they (evil ones) oppress eden.
it is not about 'on this earth' there are silly layoffs.
that is not even tribulation.
the sun goes dark,
2b+ of their type entities (sons of ammon/esau)
--- the locusts of rev ---
invade this earth...
and murder many people.
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e v e
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tribulation has meaning to each group
for the evil realm it is judgment and no not forgiven
for jacob it is judgment and death but most, please, will go to paradise after that
for the 144k it is meeting Christ on the clouds
tribulation starts when at noon
the sun goes dark
-the sons go with Christ on the clouds, causing that!
the demon armies arrive
for the evil realm it is judgment and no not forgiven
for jacob it is judgment and death but most, please, will go to paradise after that
for the 144k it is meeting Christ on the clouds
tribulation starts when at noon
the sun goes dark
-the sons go with Christ on the clouds, causing that!
the demon armies arrive
e v e
Well-known member
sacrilegious ?
to who?
to the demons and their christmas trees and santa nonsense etc
which got foisted on christianity?
who get angry if souls wont abide their satanic rituals?
God says nothing about being forced to celebrate with fertility rituals and so on.
in fact the cedar tree that grew tall is an awful and satanic concept. please.
He says to come Home. Over and over.
Nothing at all about decorating trees and marshmallow rabbits.
