Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!! ANd sure enough, I DID - many times. I "inherited" nothing, and freely provided MY OWN SIN - just like you did.
Transmitting The Fallen Nature
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Bob Carabbio
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SO what do you suppose happens to the "Physical Body" when it's discarded, and we're transformed into the "Spiritual body"???
Dizerner
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No, you are making a category outside of all.
You are saying "some" have sinned, against the Bible.
Until you fire your first special sin bullet.
Bob Carabbio
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Disingenuous!!!! (but creative) I NEVER SAID "SOME". Biblically ALL HAVE SINNED. That has nothing to do with any "Imputed sin", or "inherited guilt" and NOBODY is judged for anybody else's SIN.
You provided YOUR OWN SIN, just like everybody else.
civic
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Exactly.
Dizerner
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You are being logically inconsistent.
You are saying there is a span of time before which humans sin.
That logically means that at any current time millions of people HAVE NOT SINNED, they did not commit their first sin yet.
So YOU are the one being DISINGENUOUS.
And LOGIC is not "CREATIVITY."
This is a LOGICAL point.
Bob Carabbio
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ABSOLUTELY!! it starts at conception, and ends when we SIN the first time.
Arguably true (depending on what you think the "Birth rate" is).
Chuckle!! don't be silly!!! (I understand your hair splitting, but HEY!!!! go incinerate Babies if that lights your fire).
I gave you scripture as to why God would not let a baby die without the possibility of hearing the Gospel and responding, not my feelings on the matter. What men do to babies and children and what God does for them are two different stories. The fact that God allows evil to exist in this world for an age has nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about what God does for the child, please don't take my words out of context.
It doesn't lay around on earth as you suggested for governments to bury, this much I know. It is transformed. If it was discarded in the sense you are suggesting, there would be no need to resurrect it. The Lord could simply create a new body from the air or the stones or whatever He wanted.
Not quite true. One person was judged for everyone's sin.
Dizerner
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Not quite true. One person was judged for everyone's sin.
They only want it one way, lol.
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!!! And so it was!!!Not quite true. One person was judged for everyone's sin.
Dizerner
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Yes, some people love to get imputed righteousness for free.
But not that sin stuff, no sir!
Bob Carabbio
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But Righteousness ONLY COMES through FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross, and being Born Again of the Holy Spirit. And it's always been FREE - but it will cost you everything.Yes, some people love to get imputed righteousness for free.
But not that sin stuff, no sir!
Dizerner
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You did no such thing.
You formulated a logical argument from assumed premises.
No, they aren't.
If you let a man torture your child in front of you, you cannot escape with the claim "what I do and what another does to my child are two different stories."
What you LET a person do is PART of your story.
Nobody took your words "out of context."
It's just a way for you to avoid actually responding to the logic of what was said.
This is why God gave us brains with which to think. What works do you think a baby or small child has that God could judge them on? I gave you the scripture as to what God judges in order to send people to the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
If you think the way God judges men changes based on what men do or fail to do then you are in serious trouble, indeed, we all are.
What you said was out of context. We are not talking about what occurs on a day to day basis and the judgement of men. We are discussing final judgement. Only Christ has been given the authority to make final judgement. The basis on which He makes that judgement is one's works. The one work God looks for is faith. Faith requires thinking and thinking requires language and language requires knowledge. Faith comes from the word. (Rom.10:17) This is completely out of a baby's scope. God is not unfair. Common sense, based on what the scriptures say, ought to tell you He will not allow a child to die and face judgement without a fair trial (ie.in this instance having a life long enough for faith to be acquired). If they do die, then they must be a believer as God's omniscience informs Him who is a believer and who is not long before any of us are born. The whole purpose of this age, where evil is allowed to exist, is to prove God is right in His judgements. How can He do that if there is nothing to see? No-one will complain about a baby going to heaven but there's a lot to complain about if a baby goes to hell without a fair trial. Even our own laws are based on the principles of giving people a fair trial.
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
I don't think you comprehend what I mean and therefore are misinterpreting what I say. I dare say you will disagree but let's leave it at that lest we simply end up in a mess as it seems to me you are the one relying on his feelings for an answer rather than thinking through the situation with the word of God.
The Rogue Tomato
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That's right and you won't find that work in an unbeliever who has rejected Him.
John 6:28-29
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
You believe (volitional responsibility) and God gives faith (promise fulfilled).
SteveB
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Eve was deceived.
Man transgressed.
1Ti 2:13-14 WEB 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Adam wasn’t deceived, but the woman, being deceived, has fallen into disobedience;
God told Adam.
Adam bears the responsibility.
Dizerner
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Eve let herself be deceived, it's not like she was overpowered and couldn't help it.
Really it's humanity's first "sin" before the fatal one.
Yes, because Adam was in authority and could have easily stopped Eve.
She would have had to rebel against Adam in that case, but it was his decision already when he allowed it.
