Transmitting The Fallen Nature

[GeneZ]

Correct. Which was in the seed of Mary. The seed for which Christ was formed in her belly. The Son of God. God incarnate.

That is why HE SUFFERED being like us.

John 1:14​

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And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. We looked upon His glory, ​

the glory of the one and only from the Father, full of grace and truth.​

It says He tabernacled amongst us. Meaning, a temporary shelter was used. His glory shined from within!

The body he had was sacrificed, raised back to life, to be replaced with a heavenly glorious body when He ascended.

Its what lives INSIDE the body that makes Him God! Not the body!

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For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." John 1:14​

The body born of Mary was a PERFECT human body. If that body was not fully human it could not be used to die in our place!

 

[praise_yeshua]

For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

You're not. You're my brother. Both in Adam and in Christ.

 

[GeneZ]

You're not. You're my brother. Both in Adam and in Christ.

We are no longer in Adam.....

Adam has been crucified to us!

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; ​

and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved ​

me and gave Himself for me. " Galatians 2:20​

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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22​

grace and peace ...........

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[praise_yeshua]

To God it is that way Not to us.

Repeating what I said does what exactly?

Adam ate and immediately HID in fear! He was spiritually DEAD.

No. He received knowledge that he did not have. Yes. He feared.

What did God do?
He covered the man and woman with animal skins.

He judged what He had gifted to Adam equal to him.

He made Adam "ruler" over what God gave him. He gave man and what Satan both wanted. He gave them power. Power to determine their own future. To abide under condemnation of death or to find the value of the Atonement.

You should realize that God gifted man with His own experience. Do you know how difficult it is to find someone that freely embraces YOU?

All men seek their own..... God showed Empathy in Christ. Empathy.... that even Satan has long been ignorant of. The lesson of Eternity. Self awareness. Working beyond yourself.

There is narrative in Christian that has been perverted since the death of the apostles. The nature that God is a self centered egomaniac that reacts just like sinful men with others do not obey Him.

We should believe God is like our idols. I call this the "God experience". Our life in this world is fashioned around God's experience with His creation. We have such an unlimited since of imagination. We are creators ourselves. Imaging trying to rule over a freewill people that often only think of themselves. How many do you have cooperating with you at the moment?

To do that?
Animal blood was shed!

Sure. Adam would soon see the blood of his own son spilled over the egotistical desires of Cain. You're looking at this based upon your imaginations.

God performed a blood sacrifice.. Adam was then regenerated because Adam realized he was wrong and had repented.

Keep it simple...

Yeah. After all. God is simple.... Right?

 

[Dizerner]

You're not. You're my brother. Both in Adam and in Christ.

Their condemnation is just. (Rom. 3:8 NKJ)

 

[praise_yeshua]

We are no longer in Adam.....

Adam has been crucified to us!

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; ​

and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved ​

me and gave Himself for me. " Galatians 2:20​

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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22​

grace and peace ...........

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You still are surrounded and controlled by flesh. Paul said he died daily. It a matter of the mind. The willingness of man to deal with himself.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Their condemnation is just. (Rom. 3:8 NKJ)

Yes. Paul was angry. Paul even confronted the High Priest about having him slapped contrary to the law. I do it myself sometimes. Justice must give way to love. Justice doesn't always work brother. Justice doesn't always get us what WE need.

 

[GeneZ]

Yeah. After all. God is simple.... Right?

You act like He is...

 

[GeneZ]

You still are surrounded and controlled by flesh. Paul said he died daily. It a matter of the mind. The willingness of man to deal with himself.

You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ." Rom 8:9

Not controlled by the flesh (in regards to sin). Influenced at times when we sin... at best.

Paul died daily to all the pressures that wanted to mold him and make him react to do their will.

 

[GeneZ]

Yes. Paul was angry. Paul even confronted the High Priest about having his slapped contrary to the law. I do it myself sometimes. Justice must give way to love. Justice doesn't always work brother. Justice doesn't always get us what WE need.

The Love Jesus spoke of is "impersonal love."
It does not mean we have to approve of the offensive person affectionately.
It means we can remain relaxed mentally, and objective when confronted as Paul was.

 

[GeneZ]

No. He received knowledge that he did not have. Yes. He feared.

What knowledge did he receive that he did not have before that made Adam fear?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You act like He is...

Nope. I don't.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Love Jesus spoke of is "impersonal love."
It does not mean we have to approve of the offensive person affectionately.
It means we can remain relaxed mentally, and objective when confronted as Paul was.

Why? You are still a lawbreaker and sinner. The only difference between any man is the freewill Grace of God. A man can spend his entire life hating God to have ALL expunged in a moment with a sincere call out to God.

You have not ground to claim any advantage. For whatever judgement you attribute to other men, it shall be attributed to YOU.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What knowledge did he receive that he did not have before that made Adam fear?

The impact of the battle between good and evil. Enlightenment to what his actions caused.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ." Rom 8:9

Not controlled by the flesh (in regards to sin). Influenced at times when we sin... at best.

Paul died daily to all the pressures that wanted to mold him and make him react to do their will.

I've meet people like you my entire life. I once was like you. I began to see myself for what I am. At best, there is nothing different between myself and any sinner than the Grace of God. My performances has never measured up nor meet God's standard. Never. It doesn't NOW.

You can keep pretending if you want. Everyone knows better. You're man just everyone else. Only the Grace of God has GIFTED YOU....

Boasting is excluded. That is what you're doing. Boasting of being different than your fellowmen.

 

[GeneZ]

Why? You are still a lawbreaker and sinner. The only difference between any man is the freewill Grace of God. A man can spend his entire life hating God to have ALL expunged in a moment with a sincere call out to God.

You have not ground to claim any advantage. For whatever judgement you attribute to other men, it shall be attributed to YOU.

Do have any idea why you just said that?

 

[GeneZ]

I've meet people like you my entire life. I once was like you. I began to see myself for what I am. At best, there is nothing different between myself and any sinner than the Grace of God. My performances has never measured up nor meet God's standard. Never. It doesn't NOW.

You can keep pretending if you want. Everyone knows better. You're man just everyone else. Only the Grace of God has GIFTED YOU....

Boasting is excluded. That is what you're doing. Boasting of being different than your fellowmen.

Sounds good. Passes the "being dramatic" test to impress the naive.

Yes the grace of God has gifted me.
The sovereignty of God determined what gift(s) it was to be.

But if I am stuck on myself and seek my justification from others who are like minded in their flesh?
What good am I?

 

[sawdust]

Peter made it really clear.
2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Our timing isn't God's timing. You're judging God by our limits.



I still don't. You're trying to "have your cake and eat it too".




You need to establish this.



Correct. Your problem. Not mine.



We still die. All you ancestors are dead. So are mine.



Nonsense. We lack the Spirit of God when we are born of the seed of Adam and Eve. Just like Adam did. Eve was taken from Adam.



We are born from above because that is one step in the process of conforming us to the image of Jesus Christ.

It's not a matter of timing alone but number of deaths. It literally translates if you eat from the tree "in dying you will die". Two deaths, spiritual death and physical death. Also, do you consider when God said "choose you this day", He really meant some indefinite period? Time to God is one thing but time when He speaks to us and references our response, irrespective of whether it means life or death, is quite another meaning.
I'm not a fan of cake so I have no idea of what you think I'm having a double portion.
As far as I'm concerned I did establish having eternal life is not the same as having a spiritual life and you seem to agree but then not agree.
Our ancestors are dead physically but God is the God of the living not the dead.

 

[GeneZ]

It's not a matter of timing alone but number of deaths. It literally translates if you eat from the tree "in dying you will die". Two deaths, spiritual death and physical death.

After learning that accurate translation (in dying you shall die) from my pastor I discussed it with a pastor who had formerly been an orthodox Jew.
He being fluent in Hebrew, pulled out his Bible, and read it from the Hebrew. And, then he said, yes. It does say in dying you shall die. He did not know what to make of it..

Apparently, many translating assumed its idiomatic and translate it to mean "surely die."
But, the Hebrew could have easily read differently to mean 'surely' without confounding anyone.

When it confounds readers, God is marking a treasure to be classified as "insight" for whom God designates it for.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's not a matter of timing alone but number of deaths. It literally translates if you eat from the tree "in dying you will die". Two deaths, spiritual death and physical death.

By all means. Prove it. Provide the "literal translation" and the reliable source for such. You're make a false claim.

Also, do you consider when God said "choose you this day", He really meant some indefinite period?

Time to God is one thing but time when He speaks to us and references our response, irrespective of whether it means life or death, is quite another meaning.
I'm not a fan of cake so I have no idea of what you think I'm having a double portion.

I didn't argue for an indefinite period. The message has always been TODAY... relative to a man's choice. Maybe you should consider how the words of God have an extended application.

Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Do you see the word AGAIN.....

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

As far as I'm concerned I did establish having eternal life is not the same as having a spiritual life

That which flesh is flesh. That which is spirit is spirit.

Read it for yourself.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our ancestors are dead physically but God is the God of the living not the dead.

You're conflating. You're not dead yet.