Thomas... My Lord and my God

So what? The Word existed as God from all eternity past before he tabernacled as Jesus. Learn your Bible.

Your Arianism remains dead in its coffin ⚰️ after you spewed out another one of your Gaffes, where you blatantly contradicted the Biblical God. Stop paying homage to your Arian God.

If you don't learn from your Arian Gaffes but keep repeating them, I will have to create a running list of Peterlag Gaffes as I currently do with RM.
There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...

1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.

Now you can go ahead and continue to quote the Jewish Bible written to the Jewish people for the Jewish people. But the Christian Bible written to the Christian people for the Christian people does not have the Scripture that you try to say that it has.
 
There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...

1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.
Why your doubts about what God can save us from?
Now you can go ahead and continue to quote the Jewish Bible written to the Jewish people for the Jewish people. But the Christian Bible written to the Christian people for the Christian people does not have the Scripture that you try to say that it has.
Your Arian God might not be able to save you from sins but the Biblical God can.

Isaiah 43:11 (NKJV)
I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

Hosea 13:4 (NKJV)
“Yet I am the Lord your God ever since the land of Egypt, and you shall know no God but Me; for there is no savior besides Me.”
 
Thanks for that video. Can you tell us at what time is the word "son" discussed in the video? Any other points you have not heard elsewhere?
28:20 God you've got to understand that that Greek word teknon is never once used in
28:26 the New Testament to describe Jesus as the Son of God because we all agree...
28:31 Unitarians Muslims Christians the Quran and the Bible... all agree God does not
28:36 have sex. he does not have a wife a girlfriend or babies and I think Ken would agree with that. okay.
28:42 so the second Greek word that describes the Son and English would be huios. it
28:49 means the same nature as and you can see this in Luke 10 6 where it describes the
28:54 son of peace it means that you have the nature of peace you see in Ephesians 5:6
 
There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...

1.) Only God can forgive sins.
"“Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins except God alone?” 8 Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were thinking that way within themselves, *said to them, “Why are you thinking about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven’; or to say, ‘Get up, and pick up your pallet and walk’? 10 But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—He *said to the paralyzed man, 11 “I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet, and go home.” 12 And he got up and immediately picked up the pallet and went out in the sight of everyone, so that they were all amazed and were glorifying God" Mark 2:7-12
 
"“Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins except God alone?” 8 Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were thinking that way within themselves, *said to them, “Why are you thinking about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven’; or to say, ‘Get up, and pick up your pallet and walk’? 10 But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—He *said to the paralyzed man, 11 “I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet, and go home.” 12 And he got up and immediately picked up the pallet and went out in the sight of everyone, so that they were all amazed and were glorifying God" Mark 2:7-12
um, you do realize you're not quoting the doctrine of Scripture? Right? You know that correct? You're quothing what the possessed unbeliving Jews said.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
 
Why your doubts about what God can save us from?

Your Arian God might not be able to save you from sins but the Biblical God can.

Isaiah 43:11 (NKJV)
I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

Hosea 13:4 (NKJV)
“Yet I am the Lord your God ever since the land of Egypt, and you shall know no God but Me; for there is no savior besides Me.”
Can't find it in the New Testament can you? You know why? Cause it's not there. So you go right a head and keep making stuff up.

There's no Scripture in the New Testament written to Christians that says...

1.) Only God can forgive sins.
2.) Or only God could save man from his sins.
 
um, you do realize you're not quoting the doctrine of Scripture? Right? You know that correct? You're quothing what the possessed unbeliving Jews said.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Maybe you should cry for your inability to grasp the situation there. After that, you should repent.
Jesus shows himself as God. The view of those witnesses was not mentioned as if it were flawed. Nor is Jesus shown to have been in error in forgiving the man of his sins. This forgiveness of sins by a command is not something that is described as a quality of man. That should be obvious here.

Contrary to the next post of yours, there is no verse that says man can forgive sins on behalf of God. You are a bit clever to make up rules against the testimony of scripture and add rules that try to favor your view.

There also is the problem of failing to give a decent alternative explanation to passages that talk about the pre-existence of God. Also, just watch the unitarian view fall to pieces as the list of gaffes by runningman build up. I suppose you feel you are better off to avoid those discussions since, in those, you would show your similar errors of belief.
 
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Maybe you should cry for your inability to grasp the situation there. After that, you should repent.
Jesus shows himself as God. The view of those witnesses was not mentioned as if it were flawed. Nor is Jesus shown to have been in error in forgiving the man of his sins. This forgiveness of sins by a command is not something that is described as a quality of man. That should be obvious here.

Contrary to the next post of yours, there is no verse that says man can forgive sins on behalf of God. You are a bit clever to make up rules against the testimony of scripture and add rules that try to favor your view.

There also is the problem of failing to give a decent alternative explanation to passages that talk about the pre-existence of God. Also, just watch the unitarian view fall to pieces as the list of gaffes by runningman build up. I suppose you feel you are better off to avoid those discussions since, in those, you would show your similar errors of belief.
There's Scripture that says a man had to redeem us. There's no Scripture that says God had to redeem us other then the fact that He sent Jesus to do it.

Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that aman must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
 
um, you do realize you're not quoting the doctrine of Scripture? Right? You know that correct? You're quothing what the possessed unbeliving Jews said.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Did Jesus correct them? Did Jesus dispute what they said in any way? No. He agreed with them, and then proved, through His miraculous healing of the man, that He did have the power and authority to both heal and forgive sin, demonstrating His divinity.
 
There's Scripture that says a man had to redeem us. There's no Scripture that says God had to redeem us other then the fact that He sent Jesus to do it.

Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that aman must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
Uh. Maybe you have heard that Christians recognize Jesus as a man in his incarnation without denying his divinity. So Romans 5 can refer to Jesus as the last Adam does not violate that. However, a big distinction also exists there. Namely, Jesus is a divine source of new humanity. He does not achieve this through bloodline descendants as done with Adam.
 
Sorry, but the below is not a trinitarian's song. The below are all Unitarians who know that God sits on the throne and that the Lamb does not. You're going to be in for a rude awakening, literally.

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb!”
Rabbit trail
 
Uh. Maybe you have heard that Christians recognize Jesus as a man in his incarnation without denying his divinity. So Romans 5 can refer to Jesus as the last Adam does not violate that. However, a big distinction also exists there. Namely, Jesus is a divine source of new humanity. He does not achieve this through bloodline descendants as done with Adam.
Yep there goes the "Get Out of Jail Free Card" again. Used whenever you need it. Anytime you can't twist Jesus into being God is when you then make him a man just when you need him to be a man.
 
Yep there goes the "Get Out of Jail Free Card" again. Used whenever you need it. Anytime you can't twist Jesus into being God is when you then make him a man just when you need him to be a man.
That is an ignorant rejection of the divinity of Christ. You may be have heard that Trinitarians recognize Jesus' humanity. This is the testimony of Jesus both in a divine sense and a human sense. There is no twisting necessary, only the testimony of scripture.
 
God is the Creator, not words.
You're proving the Bible's point. God is the creator, not God's word. God uses logos to create all over the Bible and every time the word(s) of God is not a separate person. God speaks to create.

Jesus was created because he's flesh. He isn't an incarnated God.

John 1
3All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
You are wrong again it has several meanings one of which is existing before another.

Obviously you do not know the first thing about biblical Greek.

The Greek adjective πρῶτος (prōtos) serves the New Testament writers as their primary term for “first,” whether in sequence, rank, importance, or priority. Its wide distribution—spanning Gospels, Acts, Epistles, and Revelation—allows Scripture to present a unified theology of primacy that centers on Jesus Christ, unfolds the redemptive story, and instructs the Church in ordered devotion.

Primacy in Chronology

1. Narrative markers: “On the first day of Unleavened Bread” (Mark 14:12), “the first day of the week” (Mark 16:9) establish historical settings with precision.
2. Sequential miracles and events: The two-stage prison escape in Acts 12:10 locates the “first” gate to heighten dramatic tension and underscore divine deliverance.
3. Doctrinal comparisons: Hebrews contrasts the “first covenant” with the superior new covenant (Hebrews 8:7-13; 9:1-18), showing salvation history progressing from shadow to substance.

Primacy in Rank and Preeminence

1. Greatest commandment: When the scribe asks, “Which is the most important?” Jesus replies, “The foremost is: ‘Hear, O Israel…’” (Mark 12:29-30). Prōtos conveys supreme authority over every moral imperative.
2. Chief men and leaders: Acts 28:17 refers to “the leading men of the Jews,” indicating social prominence; likewise, Mark 6:21 speaks of “the leading men of Galilee” invited to Herod’s banquet.
3. Paul’s self-assessment: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost” (1 Timothy 1:15). Prōtos here underscores Paul’s felt prominence in sin, magnifying grace.

Christ, the First and the Last

Revelation repeatedly bestows on Jesus the title “the First and the Last” (Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13). Prōtos anchors His eternal preexistence, sovereign priority in creation, and lordship over consummation. The term thus furnishes a Christology of absolute supremacy:
• Pre-incarnate glory—“He was before me” (John 1:15, 30).
• Resurrection precedence—“Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again” anticipates “the firstborn from the dead” in concept (cf. Revelation 1:5).
• Eschatological authority—His self-designation secures the certainty of final judgment and new creation.

The First Resurrection and Eschatological Blessing

“Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection” (Revelation 20:6). Prōtos distinguishes the resurrection of the righteous prior to the millennial reign from the later resurrection unto judgment (Revelation 20:5). Participation in the prōtē anastasis guarantees exemption from “the second death,” underscoring the hope of believers.

First Works and First Love

Ephesus is warned, “Remember how far you have fallen. Repent and perform the works you did at first” (Revelation 2:5). Prōtos pinpoints original fervor as the standard for ongoing faithfulness. Earlier in the same letter Christ says, “You have abandoned the love you had at first” (Revelation 2:4), making primacy a qualitative benchmark for devotion, not mere chronology.

Reversal of First and Last

Jesus’ repeated paradox—“The first will be last, and the last will be first” (Matthew 19:30; 20:16; Mark 10:31; Luke 13:30)—subverts worldly notions of greatness. Prōtos here warns against pride, promises vindication for the humble, and illustrates kingdom values in contrast to human systems.

Firstfruits of Ministry and Mission

Philippians 1:5 recalls “your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now,” celebrating unwavering commitment.
Acts 11:26 notes that in Antioch the disciples “were first called Christians,” marking a pivotal identity moment.
• Paul’s missional order—“To the Jew first and also to the Greek” (Romans 1:16 implied by 10:19 use of prōtos)—demonstrates covenant priority without ethnic exclusivism.

Priorities in Christian Ethics

1. Family care: “Honor your father and mother—this is the first commandment with a promise” (Ephesians 6:2). Prōtos recalls Exodus 20 but applies it within Spirit-filled households.
2. Ministerial discipline: Timothy is told that younger widows incur condemnation “for casting off their first faith” (1 Timothy 5:12), guarding purity of devotion.
3. Doctrinal essentials: “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins…” (1 Corinthians 15:3). Prōtos clarifies the gospel’s non-negotiable core.

Historical and Cultural Context

In Greco-Roman usage prōtos denoted civic rank (e.g., “first men” of a city, Acts 28:17), athletic placement, or logical precedence in rhetoric. New Testament writers appropriate this semantic range but consistently infuse it with redemptive meaning—whether locating Jesus above Caesar, covenantal newness above Mosaic types, or humble service above social climbing.

Prōtos and Covenant Transition

Hebrews offers the fullest theological meditation: the “first” tabernacle (Hebrews 9:2, 6, 8) and “first” covenant give way to the “greater and more perfect tent” (9:11). The adjective thus functions as a pivot between old order and new, assuring believers of the sufficiency of Christ’s priesthood.
Jesus didn't exist before John because John is older than Jesus. Jesus didn't pre-exist anywhere in the Old Testament. You really have no argument. No record of Jesus being anywhere until after his birth.
 
You're proving the Bible's point. God is the creator, not God's word. God uses logos to create all over the Bible and every time the word(s) of God is not a separate person. God speaks to create.

Jesus was created because he's flesh. He isn't an incarnated God.

John 1
3All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
You proved my point everything was created by HIM.
 
You proved my point everything was created by HIM.
Let's stay on this though. So is flesh a thing? Is it made of atoms, elements, miscellaneous compounds? Yes? That's just like everything else in the physical universe. So Jesus was created, not incarnated. You know it's true!:D
 
Rabbit trail
"Salvation to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb" will never be found in any one of your mouths, I am sure; that's a Unitarian's statement. Trinitarians couldn't be among the multitude of saints too great to count in Revelation 7:9,10.
 
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