Thomas... My Lord and my God

[brightfame52]

@Runningman

1 Cor 8:6 And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,

Does that mean the Father isnt also Lord kyrios ? Who is the Lord kyrios in Acts 3:22

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

 

[synergy]

How about just one verse? Here's mine...

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The context here is the New Covenant that bridges the massive gap between God and man. To reconcile two estranged parties, a mediator must equally represent both parties. No angel, prophet, or mere man could fill this role. A sinful man could not stand before God on behalf of others (cf. Job 9:33). Only one who shares in our humanity yet is also equal with God can bring the two together. That's why there is only one Mediator between man and God.
Christ alone is qualified. Only because Jesus is both God and man can He be the Mediator who brings salvation.

Furthermore, 1Tim 2:15 is Monotheistic, Not Arian. When Paul says, “there is one God,” he is affirming biblical monotheism. He is not excluding Christ from that oneness but situating Him within it. In fact within 1Cor 8:6, Paul redefines Israel’s Shema (“Hear O Israel, the LORD is one”) to include both the Father and the Son within the one God. Thus, “the man Christ Jesus” in 1 Timothy 2:5 is not a denial of His divinity but an emphasis on His humanity in the mediatorial role.

Conclusion:
1 Timothy 2:5 does not support Arianism. Instead, it teaches the very opposite:

• The New Covenant offers salvation through a Mediator.
• That Mediator must be both God and man.
• Jesus uniquely fulfills this role.
• Scripture elsewhere affirms Jesus as fully God.
• The verse itself affirms monotheism without excluding Christ from deity.
  Therefore, this verse actually confirms the deity of Christ and His unique role as Savior.

 

[Peterlag]

The context here is the New Covenant that bridges the massive gap between God and man. To reconcile two estranged parties, a mediator must equally represent both parties. No angel, prophet, or mere man could fill this role. A sinful man could not stand before God on behalf of others (cf. Job 9:33). Only one who shares in our humanity yet is also equal with God can bring the two together. That's why there is only one Mediator between man and God.
Christ alone is qualified. Only because Jesus is both God and man can He be the Mediator who brings salvation.

Furthermore, 1Tim 2:15 is Monotheistic, Not Arian. When Paul says, “there is one God,” he is affirming biblical monotheism. He is not excluding Christ from that oneness but situating Him within it. In fact within 1Cor 8:6, Paul redefines Israel’s Shema (“Hear O Israel, the LORD is one”) to include both the Father and the Son within the one God. Thus, “the man Christ Jesus” in 1 Timothy 2:5 is not a denial of His divinity but an emphasis on His humanity in the mediatorial role.

Conclusion:
1 Timothy 2:5 does not support Arianism. Instead, it teaches the very opposite:

• The New Covenant offers salvation through a Mediator.
• That Mediator must be both God and man.
• Jesus uniquely fulfills this role.
• Scripture elsewhere affirms Jesus as fully God.
• The verse itself affirms monotheism without excluding Christ from deity.
  Therefore, this verse actually confirms the deity of Christ and His unique role as Savior.

Do you have a verse that supports any of this stuff that you guys seem to make up as you go along...

A sinful man could not stand before God on behalf of others (cf. Job 9:33). Only one who shares in our humanity yet is also equal with God can bring the two together. That's why there is only one Mediator between man and God.

Hint: Jesus is not a days man.

 

[synergy]

Do you have a verse that supports any of this stuff that you guys seem to make up as you go along...

A sinful man could not stand before God on behalf of others (cf. Job 9:33). Only one who shares in our humanity yet is also equal with God can bring the two together. That's why there is only one Mediator between man and God.

Hint: Jesus is not a days man.

Job 9:33 (NKJV):
"Nor is there any mediator between us, Who may lay his hand on us both."

• The Hebrew word translated mediator (מוֹכִיחַ, mokiah) means an arbiter, umpire, or Mediator—someone who could stand between two parties in dispute, represent both sides, and bring reconciliation.
• Job laments that there is no one who can place a hand on both God and man—showing that humanity lacked a true mediator who could fully represent both parties.

The problem that Job saw:

• God is infinitely holy, man is sinful.
• Job realized man has no ability to argue his case before God.
• He longed for someone who could “lay his hand upon both”—someone who is fully God (to represent God) and fully man (to represent mankind).
• This longing shows the desperate need for the Christ.

The New Testament makes it clear that this role is fulfilled in Jesus Christ alone:

• 1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV) — “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
• Hebrews 8:6 (NKJV) — “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.”
• Hebrews 9:15 (NKJV) — “And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.”

Only Jesus uniquely qualifies because:

• As the Word, who was God and tabernacled as Jesus (John 1:14 NKJV), He can perfectly represent both God and humanity.

Why Job 9:33 proves exclusively in Christ:

• Job identifies the universal human problem: no mediator exists in human or angelic ability.
• This shows that angels, prophets, priests, or saints cannot fill this role—they either lack full deity or full humanity without sin.
• Only Jesus bridges that infinite gap, fulfilling Job’s longing.

Thus, Job 9:33 prophetically anticipates and confirms that Jesus alone is the Mediator of the New Covenant.

 

[synergy]

I believe you are doing the same thing @mikesw is doing at this point. You are using me as a scapegoat to deny the Bible. Not a good look for you to just outright deny the Bible, which you and Mike are doing, but blaming me makes it easier. It's just that the Bible is a stumbling block for you guys.

Your List of Gaffes below shows exactly who is the one denying the Bible and the one stumbling over every verse of the Bible.

The Bible comes right out and bluntly states there is not other God aside from the Father so your "gaffes" are nonsense.

I gave you a chance to name your 3 best verses that you think supports your Judaizing Unitarian Heresy. The best that you could do was to repeat John 17:3 which has been correctly explained to you over and over and over and over and over and over again (see your Gaffe #11) but you just won't listen.

List of Unitarian RunningMan's Gaffes:

1. You mistake us for Modalists by falsely accusing us that we do not differentiate between the Word and the God (the Father).
2. Your ignorance of the Greek word ἐσκήνωσεν in John 1:14.
3. You have difficulty understanding the grammatical fact that pronouns implicitly point back to the Primary Subject as their Antecedent.
4. Your categorical mistake when you think that partaking of an item transforms your nature into that item.
5. Your ignorance of the Greek word κοινωνία,
6. Your ignorance of Greek neuter pronouns in 1 John 1.
7. You said that "the Word is not actually God" which flat out contradicts John 1:1c that says "the Word was God".
8. At no time does Jesus ever has to "partake" of divine nature. That's because he is God to begin with (John 1:1c).
9. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".
10. Your ignorance of the Uncreated Word of God, in the OT (1 Kings 12:22 and 1 Ch 17:3), who came to people as a Communicative Person and who has all the attributes of a Person (Mind, Will, Individuality, etc...).
11. You ignore the prevailing Greco-Roman paganism at that time when you mistakenly present John 17:3 as being against Trinitarianism. You're also working backwards from John 17:3 to wipe out what John explicitly wrote in John 1:1.
12. Your attempt to rewrite John 1:1c from "the Word was God" to "the Word was godly" was denied.
13. You forget that God said "Let us make man in our Image". That proves that there are multiple Creator Persons.
14. You are denigrating God's Shekinah Light (το φως το αληθινον) that radiated out of the OT Tabernacle and out of Jesus at his Transfiguration. Just as God tabernacled and radiated his Shekinah in the OT, the Word now tabernacles and radiates his Shekinah Light as Jesus.
15. Your deliberate ignorance of the Greek word ὅραμα which means “something seen” or “spectacle.” and cancels the heretical idea that the Transfiguration event was imaginary or unreal.
16. Your denial of the Glory of God being Jesus' intrinsic Glory (John 1:14), proving once again that the Word was God.
17. Your refusal to understand how the Greek word ἐρχόμενον (coming) (in John 1:9) aligns perfectly with Jesus' Kenosis.
18. You don't believe Jesus when he declared that he can resurrect himself. In fact, Jesus has full.authority over life and death by being "The Resurrection and The Life" (John 11:25).
19. Unitarians will be the ones in heaven refusing to offer worship towards the Father's Throne because of Jesus' presence on that Throne.
20. You are ignorant of the fact that belief that Jesus is Lord (translated from Yahweh in the LXX) is required for our salvation.
21. You are ignorant of the fact that there are Bible version that do capitalized the Word in the Bible.
22. You conflate both old and new covenants and you have no appreciation of why Jesus is the one and only Mediator between God and men. Hint: John 1:1c and the rest of the Bible.
23. If Jesus was not God, as you claim, Jesus' statement in John 14:1 would be blasphemous according to Jer. 17:5–7.
24. Your desperate attempt to portray Jesus as just a common man when you left out the part that he personally had no need of the baptism of repentance.

 

[mikesw]

Your List of Gaffes below shows exactly who is the one denying the Bible and the one stumbling over every verse of the Bible.

I gave you a chance to name your 3 best verses that you think supports your Judaizing Unitarian Heresy. The best that you could do was to repeat John 17:3 which has been correctly explained to you over and over and over and over and over and over again (see your Gaffe #11) but you just won't listen.

List of Unitarian RunningMan's Gaffes:
9. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".

I do not see how that translation could convey anything logical or meaningful. The translation is a project of John Schoenheit who seems to want to make the unitarian version of the Jehovah Witness bible. so that people would not see the Trinitarian essence of God in the scripture as clearly anymore.

This version from John 1:1 would make it sound like God was something but then he ceased to be something anymore. Anyone then relying on that translation would have to explain how God ceased being something. I would guess that such confusion is why that translation is never used in other versions of the bible.

 

[Peterlag]

Job 9:33 (NKJV):
"Nor is there any mediator between us, Who may lay his hand on us both."

• The Hebrew word translated mediator (מוֹכִיחַ, mokiah) means an arbiter, umpire, or Mediator—someone who could stand between two parties in dispute, represent both sides, and bring reconciliation.
• Job laments that there is no one who can place a hand on both God and man—showing that humanity lacked a true mediator who could fully represent both parties.

The problem that Job saw:

• God is infinitely holy, man is sinful.
• Job realized man has no ability to argue his case before God.
• He longed for someone who could “lay his hand upon both”—someone who is fully God (to represent God) and fully man (to represent mankind).
• This longing shows the desperate need for the Christ.

The New Testament makes it clear that this role is fulfilled in Jesus Christ alone:

• 1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV) — “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
• Hebrews 8:6 (NKJV) — “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.”
• Hebrews 9:15 (NKJV) — “And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.”

Only Jesus uniquely qualifies because:

• As the Word, who was God and tabernacled as Jesus (John 1:14 NKJV), He can perfectly represent both God and humanity.

Why Job 9:33 proves exclusively in Christ:

• Job identifies the universal human problem: no mediator exists in human or angelic ability.
• This shows that angels, prophets, priests, or saints cannot fill this role—they either lack full deity or full humanity without sin.
• Only Jesus bridges that infinite gap, fulfilling Job’s longing.

Thus, Job 9:33 prophetically anticipates and confirms that Jesus alone is the Mediator of the New Covenant.

One sentence...

That's why the son of God was born because the "mere men" around in Job could not get the job done.