The Water Baptism of Cornelius

charismaticlady said:
@Johann

The old man IS the sin nature.
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There's no such thing as a "Sin Nature". The OLD MAN is nothing more than HUMAN NATURE.
charismaticlady said:
The human nature was what Adam was created with.
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And the same nature tha Jesus and I shared, at the HUMAN level.
charismaticlady said:
When Adam sinned all mankind including Adam and Eve went under the influence of Satan in their nature.
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FALSE. The "GROUND", being Cursed, came under satan's influence since Adam gave his "Dominion" to satan, when he chose him as "lord" instead of God.
 
jeremiah1five said:
I know that the Hebrew Scriptures - the oracles of God committed to the Jews - are God's love letter to His Bride and Church Israel, and that the Church Christ was to build was for four decades populated by Jewish Christians and that the gospels and epistles, including Hebrews and Revelations were written by Jewish Christians TO and FOR other Jewish Christians all talking about the central figure of those Scriptures which is Christ and that everything about salvation is of the Jews and that God is betrothed to Israel thus making Israel His ONLY Bride, the Church in the New Covenant made with the House of Israel is a spiritual body of the physical Great Congregation of over 3 million Hebrews/Jews in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle God delivered from Egypt, and that Christ died for this Church of covenant Israel and that in fulfillment Christ returns to fight alongside Israel against ALL her enemies - including Gentile Christians - and that He will rule all nations (Gentiles) with a rod of Iron as King of the Jews from Jerusalem, Israel.
Now, have I presented a Biblical account of these things, or are you as the rest of Gentile Christians using a Gentile mindset trying to interpret Jewish Scriptures as a Gentile with a western free world 21st century mindset?

A biblical Christian is one who receives the bible as written and rightly dividing the word of truth. And I KNOW I have presented a biblical account of the things I write above. Salvation is of the Jews.
Not salvation is of the Gentiles. There is no such designation in the Word of God the bible:

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.

Salvation - and all its parts - is of the Jews.
Gentiles have nothing to speak about. They have none of the above. But they love to try to steal Israel's inheritance for the past nearly 2000 years since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and try to make it their own.
Thou shalt not steal.
But many don't care.
They try to make the above list in Romans 9:4-5 as though God was speaking to them.
Delusions. Maybe the strong delusion God said He was to send upon the world.
The Lord knows them that are His. He is the Shepherd and Israel is the sheep, and the other flock He promised to bring with Him?
Samaritans.
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Based on the first sentence you wrote: "He sees the born-again believer as sinless, holy, righteous; and the perspective of man in time, that is, I am a sinner and will sin to the day I die," it is quite evident that my Jesus is more powerful than your false Jesus. The true Jesus actually takes away the desire to sin. Your mindset is still in the Old Covenant where sacrifices merely covered our sins, but didn't free us to walk in actual righteousness 1 John 3:7.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
There's no such thing as a "Sin Nature". The OLD MAN is nothing more than HUMAN NATURE.

And the same nature tha Jesus and I shared, at the HUMAN level.

FALSE. The "GROUND", being Cursed, came under satan's influence since Adam gave his "Dominion" to satan, when he chose him as "lord" instead of God.
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Our sin nature was called the "old man" or "flesh." Whether you believe it or not Scripture confirms the sin in our old nature was directly linked with Satan. That is why 1 John 3:8-9 is very true for those who have repented and been cleansed of all unrighteousness, and that includes the source, our old man nature.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
 
charismaticlady said:
Based on the first sentence you wrote: "He sees the born-again believer as sinless, holy, righteous; and the perspective of man in time, that is, I am a sinner and will sin to the day I die," it is quite evident that my Jesus is more powerful than your false Jesus. The true Jesus actually takes away the desire to sin. Your mindset is still in the Old Covenant where sacrifices merely covered our sins, but didn't free us to walk in actual righteousness 1 John 3:7.
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So, you will not die physically? Maybe all these Christians that went on before us and are buried in graves have been lied to - your lie.
I never said anything about "desire" to sin.

But I do know what God says on the matter and He tells me through Saul that even though my sins have been atoned and my desire to sin against God is tempered by the Presence of the Holy Spirit (note: that ye cannot do the things that ye would - meaning not sin as much):

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal. 5:17.

...my sin nature is ever present with me, and I echo what Saul said here:

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
(spoken like a true, born again Jewish Christian. But verse 14 "sold", wasn't I bought with a price? When Saul wrote this he was a born-again Christian for about 17-20 years.)
Moving on...
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
(The Great Apostle says he still sins! halellu-JAH!)
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom. 7:14–25.

I'm not going to put too much effort in italics and underlining and bolding since you've already shown me you don't accept the Word of God as written in a previous post.
You have some very obvious flaws in your belief-system and it's not the Jesus that I know that is small or weak, but a Jesus that travels and goes forth in the power of His might.

Scripture says, "the soul that sinneth shall die."
Well, you're going to die (if the Lord tarries) and Christians have been proving that passage true ever since the Garden, and here comes you and you want to refuse to believe God's Word on the subject?
On your deathbed think of me and this truth: "The soul that sinneth SHALL die."

Think of Galatians 5:17 and Romans 7:14-25.

I chose to engage you because I saw some truth in your words to Seabass and Johann, and another, but I was wrong. You think more highly than you ought and don't even know it.
Remember, death is the penalty for sin. It is appointed unto man (and ladies) once to die and after this the judgment.
Figure this out if you can: Jesus Christ atoned for the sin of His elect on the cross at Calvary.
Death is the penalty for sin.
We still die, so whjat's up? Wasn't sin paid for on the cross? And if so, then I shouldn't die.
But I will.
And you too (if the Lord tarries.)
 
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jeremiah1five said:
So, you will not die physically? Maybe all these Christians that went on before us and are buried in graves have been lied to - your lie.
I never said anything about "desire" to sin.
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Do you know what in us is born again?

No, I am the one to say that Jesus takes away our desire to sin from our nature, and immediately when I was born again all desire to commit adultery, the commandment I had been committing completely left, and I actually felt a heaviness come out of my body and I felt light as a feather. I actually looked down at my feet to see if they were still on the floor. Have you experienced being born again?
 
charismaticlady said:
Do you know what in us is born again?

No, I am the one to say that Jesus takes away our desire to sin from our nature, and immediately when I was born again all desire to commit adultery, the commandment I had been committing completely left, and I actually felt a heaviness come out of my body and I felt light as a feather. I actually looked down at my feet to see if they were still on the floor. Have you experienced being born again?
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Since 1977.
Well, I'm glad for you. Good testimony and I thank God on your behalf. He does those things, but we are not all out of the woods. We still sin. But the Holy Spirit does contend with our flesh. All three Persons of Trinity are set against three things.
The Father set against the world (1 Jn. 2:15)
The Son set against the "devil" 1 Jn. 3:8 (and I mean as the word is defined grammatically. "Traducer," or someone who impugns the character of another. In other words, a liar. And in places it's an adjective.)
The Spirit set against the flesh (Gal. 5:17.)
 
jeremiah1five said:
Since 1977.
Well, I'm glad for you. Good testimony and I thank God on your behalf. He does those things, but we are not all out of the woods. We still sin. But the Holy Spirit does contend with our flesh. All three Persons of Trinity are set against three things.
The Father set against the world (1 Jn. 2:15)
The Son set against the "devil" 1 Jn. 3:8 (and I mean as the word is defined grammatically. "Traducer," or someone who impugns the character of another. In other words, a liar. And in places it's an adjective.)
The Spirit set against the flesh (Gal. 5:17.)
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The devil doesn't bother me because he can't. 1 John 5:18

Was the "since 1977" a question to me, or was it about you? My born again birthday was 2/9/77. Did you know that?
 
charismaticlady said:
The devil doesn't bother me because he can't. 1 John 5:18
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The "devil" and the angels that sinned can't because they're all locked up.
I put their confinement between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pete 2:4.
charismaticlady said:
Was the "since 1977" a question to me, or was it about you? My born again birthday was 2/9/77. Did you know that?
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Of course, I didn't know that.
My birth-day is July 7, 1977.
My born day is Feb. 1. 1961
 
jeremiah1five said:
The "devil" and the angels that sinned can't because they're all locked up.
I put their confinement between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pete 2:4.
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I believe the angels of Jude 1 to be those sons of God of Genesis 6. Because it also says in that chapter 6 that this would also happen "afterwards" I think that not all the angels that would follow Satan fell with him at the same time, and only the first ones by Genesis 6 were chained, otherwise there would be no demons alive and on earth today. I also believe that the war in heaven with Michael the Archangel happened after the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Satan and now all his third of the angels can no longer accuse God's people and visit heaven as Satan did the Jews before there Messiah came. What other Scriptures have you found that points you to between Genesis 1:1 and 2?
jeremiah1five said:
Of course, I didn't know that.
My birth-day is July 7, 1977.
My born day is Feb. 1. 1961
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Oh my! 7-7-77. What a wonderful date. My human birthday is 7/24/47. I'm a wise old bird, thus my avatar which is an oil painting I own done in pallet knife.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Totally FALSE. Baptism has nothing to do with Salvation. It's what you do WHEN you've been Born again and indwelled by the Holy Spirit.
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Believe and baptized shall be saved Mk 16
baptised for remission of sins Acts 2
saved by baptism 1 Pet 3:21
be baptized, wash away thy sins Acts 22:16
 
charismaticlady said:
I believe the angels of Jude 1 to be those sons of God of Genesis 6. Because it also says in that chapter 6 that this would also happen "afterwards" I think that not all the angels that would follow Satan fell with him at the same time, and only the first ones by Genesis 6 were chained, otherwise there would be no demons alive and on earth today.
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Ah yes, the textbook version. That's what the Gentile Church believes but it is incorrect.
charismaticlady said:
I also believe that the war in heaven with Michael the Archangel happened after the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Satan and now all his third of the angels can no longer accuse God's people and visit heaven as Satan did the Jews before there Messiah came. What other Scriptures have you found that points you to between Genesis 1:1 and 2?
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I did a thread entitled "The Angels That Sinned." In that thread I provide the Scripture and word definitions from Isaiah and Jeremiah and a couple of others. What it comes down to is precedent and reality. Israel never believed in "Satan" and "demons" and "devils" the way the Gentile Church - even from medieval times - believes these subjects today and if there is no precedent in the First Covenant (Hebrew Scriptures) then there is no reality in the Second Covenant. In other words, Today's doctrines about "demons" and "devils" and Satan" etc., is relatively a new phenomenon (1500 years) than what is revealed in the Old Testament. Israel never dealt with "demons" and "devils" and Satan" the way the Gentile Church presents these things. If it's not in the Old Testament and Israel never dealt with these things the way the Gentile Church believes these things to be then there is no reality or truth on the subject in our day. For instance, the word "Satan" means "adversary." This word is used to describe men in the OT. The word "devil" in the NT means "traducer" and it's written as an adjective, not a noun in places and it would be grammatically an error to try to make an adjective a noun in order to support one's theory rather than allow God's Word to inform our beliefs. Take 2 Peter 2:4. It says unequivocally the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment. That one verse should destroy present Gentile theology on the subject, but it doesn't. Gentile Christians ignore the definitiveness of that one verse and continue to believe the theology of belief of the past 1500 years rather than to accept that verse and cause us to look further into this subject for understanding.
charismaticlady said:
Oh my! 7-7-77. What a wonderful date. My human birthday is 7/24/47. I'm a wise old bird, thus my avatar which is an oil painting I own done in pallet knife.
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The sevens don't mean anything to me. But I've never looked at it in the Hebrew calendar either. There, it might have more meaning than in the Gregorian calendar.
Ah, you're a Leo cusp. Do you believe God placed the Gospel in the Stars/heavens? A Star Bible?
Look it up.
 
jeremiah1five said:
I did a thread entitled "The Angels That Sinned." In that thread I provide the Scripture and word definitions from Isaiah and Jeremiah and a couple of others. What it comes down to is precedent and reality. Israel never believed in "Satan" and "demons" and "devils" the way the Gentile Church - even from medieval times - believes these subjects today and if there is no precedent in the First Covenant (Hebrew Scriptures) then there is no reality in the Second Covenant. In other words, Today's doctrines about "demons" and "devils" and Satan" etc., is relatively a new phenomenon (1500 years) than what is revealed in the Old Testament. Israel never dealt with "demons" and "devils" and Satan" the way the Gentile Church presents these things. If it's not in the Old Testament and Israel never dealt with these things the way the Gentile Church believes these things to be then there is no reality or truth on the subject in our day. For instance, the word "Satan" means "adversary." This word is used to describe men in the OT. The word "devil" in the NT means "traducer" and it's written as an adjective, not a noun in places and it would be grammatically an error to try to make an adjective a noun in order to support one's theory rather than allow God's Word to inform our beliefs. Take 2 Peter 2:4. It says unequivocally the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment. That one verse should destroy present Gentile theology on the subject, but it doesn't. Gentile Christians ignore the definitiveness of that one verse and continue to believe the theology of belief of the past 1500 years rather than to accept that verse and cause us to look further into this subject for understanding.
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We still are in a warfare-

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour [panoply] of God, that ye may be able to stand against the trickery of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For to us the wrestling is not against blood and flesh [human beings], but against principalities, against superhuman powers, against the world rulers of this darkness [the present order of things] ..., against spiritual hosts of Satan in the heavenlies.
Eph 6:13 On account of this take up you the whole armour of God, in order that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand fast.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet having shod with the preparation of the gospel of the peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking up the shield [Christ Himself] of the faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery Satanic temptations of the wicked one [Satan].
Eph 6:17 And receive the helmet of salvation, and the sword of THE Holy Spirit, which is the utterance of God, The written word:
Eph 6:18 Praying on every occasion with all prayer and request in THE Holy Spirit, and watching unto this with all perseverance and requests concerning all the saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, in order that utterance may be givento me, in order that I may open my mouth with boldness, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in a chain: in order that in the mystery I may speak freely, as I ought to speak.
 
Johann said:
We still are in a warfare-

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour [panoply] of God, that ye may be able to stand against the trickery of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For to us the wrestling is not against blood and flesh [human beings], but against principalities, against superhuman powers, against the world rulers of this darkness [the present order of things] ..., against spiritual hosts of Satan in the heavenlies.
Eph 6:13 On account of this take up you the whole armour of God, in order that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand fast.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet having shod with the preparation of the gospel of the peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking up the shield [Christ Himself] of the faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery Satanic temptations of the wicked one [Satan].
Eph 6:17 And receive the helmet of salvation, and the sword of THE Holy Spirit, which is the utterance of God, The written word:
Eph 6:18 Praying on every occasion with all prayer and request in THE Holy Spirit, and watching unto this with all perseverance and requests concerning all the saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, in order that utterance may be givento me, in order that I may open my mouth with boldness, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in a chain: in order that in the mystery I may speak freely, as I ought to speak.
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Yeah. But man is the culprit.
 

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