The Water Baptism of Cornelius
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Johann
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Another word from you and on ignore you go.
jeremiah1five
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Word.
Johann
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What's your problem?
civic
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baptism saves ?
jeremiah1five
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You're the one threatening me. Either do something or don't do something. I don't resort to threats, nor do I excommunicate brethren (ignore) for no real sin. Ignore me is to ignore Christ in me and that is a contradiction. Shoot your own foot. It's your foot and I don't have a weapon. I may disagree with people I have inkling that are brethren, but I never put anyone on ignore.
Complete
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'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you
that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
.. With all lowliness and meekness,
.... with longsuffering,
...... forbearing one another in love;
........ Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
.......... in the bond of peace.
There is -
.. one body, and
.... one Spirit, even as ye are called in
...... one hope of your calling;
........ One Lord,
.......... one faith,
............ one baptism,
.............. One God and Father of all,
................ Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace
according to the measure of the gift of Christ.'
(Eph 4:1-7)
that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
.. With all lowliness and meekness,
.... with longsuffering,
...... forbearing one another in love;
........ Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
.......... in the bond of peace.
There is -
.. one body, and
.... one Spirit, even as ye are called in
...... one hope of your calling;
........ One Lord,
.......... one faith,
............ one baptism,
.............. One God and Father of all,
................ Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace
according to the measure of the gift of Christ.'
(Eph 4:1-7)
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Complete
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'In Whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in Whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of his glory.'
(Eph 1:13-14)
Hi there,
The subject matter of this thread is 'The Baptism of Cornelius; (Acts 9). Yet the one baptism that we should be concerned with is that which is part of 'The Unity of the Spirit' (Ephesians 4:3-6), which we are to endeavour to 'Keep'. Especially in the light of the fact that Paul beseeches us to do so. The strength of that word 'beseech' is sufficient to make us all take notice and desire to do what is beseeched of us, isn't it.
See:- https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/one-baptism-vs-baptisms.290/
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in Whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of his glory.'
(Eph 1:13-14)
Hi there,
The subject matter of this thread is 'The Baptism of Cornelius; (Acts 9). Yet the one baptism that we should be concerned with is that which is part of 'The Unity of the Spirit' (Ephesians 4:3-6), which we are to endeavour to 'Keep'. Especially in the light of the fact that Paul beseeches us to do so. The strength of that word 'beseech' is sufficient to make us all take notice and desire to do what is beseeched of us, isn't it.
See:- https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/one-baptism-vs-baptisms.290/
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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jeremiah1five
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There is -'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you
that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
.. With all lowliness and meekness,
.... with longsuffering,
...... forbearing one another in love;
........ Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
.......... in the bond of peace.
There is -
.. one body, and
.... one Spirit, even as ye are called in
...... one hope of your calling;
........ One Lord,
.......... one faith,
............ one baptism,
.............. One God and Father of all,
................ Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace
according to the measure of the gift of Christ.'
(Eph 4:1-7)
#1 one body, and
#2 one Spirit, even as ye are called in
#3 one hope of your calling;
<----> One Lord,
#3 one faith,
#2 one baptism,
#1 One God and Father of all,
Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Match the number above to the corresponding number below. Do you see it?
See who's at the center of it all?
Rockson
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Mine was May 26th, 1976 . So yours was 1980 the year Mt St Helen's blew. Rocked the U.S. nation. Guess your life was rocked on the good Rock Christ Jesus that yearyou are both older than me by 3 years in the Lord- my conversion was in 1980.
civic
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AmenMine was May 26th, 1976 . So yours was 1980 the year Mt St Helen's blew. Rocked the U.S. nation. Guess your life was rocked on the good Rock Christ Jesus that year
charismaticlady
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And it shows! Your fruit is maturing rapidly since you left C! Jesus is coming for a spotless Bride, not only righteous (free from lawless sin) 1 John 3:4-24, but holy (mature in all the fruit of the Spirit)2 Peter 1:2-11.
jeremiah1five
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Complete!'In Whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in Whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of his glory.'
(Eph 1:13-14)
Hi there,
The subject matter of this thread is 'The Baptism of Cornelius; (Acts 9). Yet the one baptism that we should be concerned with is that which is part of 'The Unity of the Spirit' (Ephesians 4:3-6), which we are to endeavour to 'Keep'. Especially in the light of the fact that Paul beseeches us to do so. The strength of that word 'beseech' is sufficient to make us all take notice and desire to do what is beseeched of us, isn't it.
See:- https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/one-baptism-vs-baptisms.290/
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
You rook lovely.
Love your hair.
jeremiah1five
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Youngster.Mine was May 26th, 1976 . So yours was 1980 the year Mt St Helen's blew. Rocked the U.S. nation. Guess your life was rocked on the good Rock Christ Jesus that year
Er the gentiles had life before water baptismThere are many attempts made to get around the necessity of water baptism in the salvation of man. One such attempt I will deal here briefly is with Cornelius. The claim is made that since the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius, that is supposed proof he was already saved BEFORE he was water baptized.
The assumption made is that those who are already saved can be the only ones to have the Holy Spirit come upon them.
Yet this assumption is easily refuted for we find in the Bible examples of those not saved yet filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, King Saul being one.
"For instance, in the book of 1 Samuel, we learn about the first king of Israel—King Saul. When he was chosen, Saul was the ideal candidate to be king. And yet because of a series of poor decisions that resulted in disobedience to God’s commands, he was rejected by God. In 1 Samual 16:14, the text explains that “the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul.” Due to Saul’s hardened, disobedient heart, he began to chase David in an attempt to kill him.
Saul’s debased mind even led him to bring about the death of an entire city of the Lord’s priests. On one occasion, as he was chasing David, he heard that David was with Samuel in the city of Ramah. Saul sent messengers to capture David, but when they arrived, “the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, and they prophesied. And when Saul was told, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. Then Saul sent messengers a third time, and they prophesied also” (1 Samuel 19:20-21). Notice that the fact that the Holy Spirit came upon the messengers was not an indication of their being saved, but instead was a miraculous intervention on God’s behalf to save David.
Finally, Saul himself went to Ramah in an attempt to capture and kill David. When he got there, “the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on and prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah” (1 Samuel 19:22-24). The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit were a sign from God, but not one meant to indicate Saul’s salvation. Instead, it was a sign to show that God was with Samuel and was protecting David."
Source Publisher: Apologetics Press
Author: Kyle Butt
If Cornelius Had the Holy Spirit, Doesn’t That Mean He Was Saved? - Apologetics Press
Acts 10 contains the exciting story of Peter preaching the first Gospel sermon to the Gentiles. Until this time, many of the Jewish converts believed that the Gospel was for the Jews, and they thought that those who obeyed the Gospel were also supposed to keep the Law of Moses. That was not...apologeticspress.org
(Lastly a sidenote: 1 Sam 16:14 says the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul. If the Spirit falling upon Cornelius is 'proof' he was saved, then the Spirit departing from one must prove that salvation can also be lost. Correct?)
Acts 11:1–18 (NASB 2020) — 1 Now the apostles and the brothers and sisters who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, the Jewish believers took issue with him, 3 saying, “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.” 4 But Peter began and explained at length to them in an orderly sequence, saying, 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came to where I was, 6 and I stared at it and was thinking about it, and I saw the four-footed animals of the earth, the wild animals, the crawling creatures, and the birds of the sky. 7 I also heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But a voice from heaven answered a second time, ‘What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.’ 10 This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into the sky. 11 And behold, at that moment three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea came up to the house where we were staying. 12 And the Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house, and saying, ‘Send some men to Joppa and have Simon, who is also called Peter, brought here; 14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 Therefore, if God gave them the same gift as He also gave to us after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has also granted to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.”
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
this topic has been discussed before. but concerning our brother Cornelius, as always one just needs to examine yesterday newspaper, (better known as the OT). so, let's understand by the scriptures if our brother was saved or not before baptism. (I thank God he was saved ... period). so fussing over if he was or not is childish. so, let's get the record RIGHT from God ... ok.
Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band," Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius." Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."
Bingo, there is our answer in verse 4, "memorial". but also in verse #2. "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house" first, one need to understand something. what 101G is about to say to you... God gave unto me many a years ago. and it has been a HELP unto me in understanding scripture. and here it is. "Anytime one sees the term, a certain, be it person or thing, look out a Spiritual teaching is in Order, for a revelation". and as it is here with our brother Cornelius the REVELATION of his SALVATION. the spiritual teaching is in the term "memorial", and "one that feared God", with all his house". so, what do the term memorial and "one that feared God", the have to do with his salvation or not? good question. well let's look up the word memorial and see what it means.
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial
Root(s): G3421
now where have we see this combination "they that feared the LORD" and "memorial", at in the bible....
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."
now, we're halfway there. "they that feared the LORD", ok what about the "memorial" part. RIGHT THERE in the "book of remembrance" for the term remembrance mean ........ lets see it.
H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.
Root(s): H2142
BINGO it means, "memorial" to REMEMBER, as said in Acts 10 of our brother Cornelius. that book of remembrance is the book of LIFE.......
Luke 10:20 "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
and the final JUDGMENT,
Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."
Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
Now, let's go back and see what Almighty God said in Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him."
well, well, well, we have our answer, "And they shall be mine". Oh how sweet that sounds. so our brother Cornelius was already SAVED. before, during, and after BAPTISM. Amen.
101G.
this topic has been discussed before. but concerning our brother Cornelius, as always one just needs to examine yesterday newspaper, (better known as the OT). so, let's understand by the scriptures if our brother was saved or not before baptism. (I thank God he was saved ... period). so fussing over if he was or not is childish. so, let's get the record RIGHT from God ... ok.
Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band," Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius." Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."
Bingo, there is our answer in verse 4, "memorial". but also in verse #2. "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house" first, one need to understand something. what 101G is about to say to you... God gave unto me many a years ago. and it has been a HELP unto me in understanding scripture. and here it is. "Anytime one sees the term, a certain, be it person or thing, look out a Spiritual teaching is in Order, for a revelation". and as it is here with our brother Cornelius the REVELATION of his SALVATION. the spiritual teaching is in the term "memorial", and "one that feared God", with all his house". so, what do the term memorial and "one that feared God", the have to do with his salvation or not? good question. well let's look up the word memorial and see what it means.
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial
Root(s): G3421
now where have we see this combination "they that feared the LORD" and "memorial", at in the bible....
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."
now, we're halfway there. "they that feared the LORD", ok what about the "memorial" part. RIGHT THERE in the "book of remembrance" for the term remembrance mean ........ lets see it.
H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.
Root(s): H2142
BINGO it means, "memorial" to REMEMBER, as said in Acts 10 of our brother Cornelius. that book of remembrance is the book of LIFE.......
Luke 10:20 "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
and the final JUDGMENT,
Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."
Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
Now, let's go back and see what Almighty God said in Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him."
well, well, well, we have our answer, "And they shall be mine". Oh how sweet that sounds. so our brother Cornelius was already SAVED. before, during, and after BAPTISM. Amen.
101G.
When though?
101G
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what cannot you READ? Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius." Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God." Acts 10:5 "And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:"
101G.
Then you should try reading Acts 11:14 for Cornelius did not yet hear the words in order to be saved.
Acts 11:14
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
This means he (and the others with him) were not yet saved.
101G
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ERROR did you not READ again, Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway."
now look up devout
101G.
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