By sinning isn't a Christian today continuing in sin?
The Water Baptism of Cornelius
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Seabass
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If one living in adultery repents and gets out of that adulterous state then he is not continuing in sin.
As one minister I knew once said...sinning is not the problem for Christians. The problem is instead of the Christian repenting of that sin and stopping it, he lays down and wallows in it.
Seabass
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If he repents of all his sins and walks in the light then the blood of CHrist cleanses away ALL sins leaving him sinless b efore GOd and walking in the light does not require the Christin to live a perfectly soinless life. There is no OSAS where the Christian can live in sin and be saved anyway...that is called cheap grace for a reason.
101G
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Addressing the Op and the posters to this discussion, consider this. Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band," Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius." Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God." Acts 10:5 "And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:"
two words in these verses one need to consider in further advancing their discussion.
A. Fear God, and B. a Memorial before God.
First the Memorial, which is the Greek term,
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial
Root(s): G3421
to remind someone is to "Remember". let's see this in the BIBLE.
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD (there is that FEAR of the LORD that Cornelius ... and his whole house had), spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." one may read this from their own bible.
so, we see that a book of Remembrance is written for them who "FEARED" the LORD, and that term Remembrance means, memorial as with Capt. Cornelius Alms & Prayers, and his whole household
Remembrance: H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.
Root(s): H2142
so, those who are written in the book of "remembrance", will be saved just as the rest of us when the LORD JESUS returns as said Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." the separation of the sheep and the Goats.
Now, a Footnote: none of us is "SAVED" right NOW, but we have the assurance, or the Promise of SALVATION, when he returns. yes, we're place into the Body of Christ, (Born of the Spirit/analogy Water, the INWARD man SEALED, with the Holy Spirit of promise), yes, but our OUTWARD man must perish. supportive scripture, Romans 8:19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope," Romans 8:21 "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." Romans 8:22 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." Romans 8:23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
one other scripture,
Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
here, the term "healing" is not physical healing from any pain or soreness, no, but spiritual healing of the soul from sin. supportive scripture, Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." what did the apostle Peter by the Holy Spirit say? 1 Peter 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." one can read their commentaries on this verse, if so choose to understand.
hope this may help in your discussion.
101G.
two words in these verses one need to consider in further advancing their discussion.
A. Fear God, and B. a Memorial before God.
First the Memorial, which is the Greek term,
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial
Root(s): G3421
to remind someone is to "Remember". let's see this in the BIBLE.
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD (there is that FEAR of the LORD that Cornelius ... and his whole house had), spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." one may read this from their own bible.
so, we see that a book of Remembrance is written for them who "FEARED" the LORD, and that term Remembrance means, memorial as with Capt. Cornelius Alms & Prayers, and his whole household
Remembrance: H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.
Root(s): H2142
so, those who are written in the book of "remembrance", will be saved just as the rest of us when the LORD JESUS returns as said Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." the separation of the sheep and the Goats.
Now, a Footnote: none of us is "SAVED" right NOW, but we have the assurance, or the Promise of SALVATION, when he returns. yes, we're place into the Body of Christ, (Born of the Spirit/analogy Water, the INWARD man SEALED, with the Holy Spirit of promise), yes, but our OUTWARD man must perish. supportive scripture, Romans 8:19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope," Romans 8:21 "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." Romans 8:22 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." Romans 8:23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
one other scripture,
Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
here, the term "healing" is not physical healing from any pain or soreness, no, but spiritual healing of the soul from sin. supportive scripture, Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." what did the apostle Peter by the Holy Spirit say? 1 Peter 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." one can read their commentaries on this verse, if so choose to understand.
hope this may help in your discussion.
101G.
And yet he still sins.
Seabass
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I'm not certain here, but are you suggesting Cornelius was already saved in Acts 10:1?
Seabass
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......for no one is perfectly sinless nor does God require a person to live perfectly sinless.
So what's your point?
charismaticlady
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The Gospel of the New Covenant was initially for the Jews, but not all Jews entered in, so God allowed the Gentiles to be grafted into the New Covenant of the Spirit of God.
charismaticlady
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Do you belong to a denomination? May I ask what? I'm sorry but I didn't agree with even once complete sentence.
jeremiah1five
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There is no provision of "entering in" in the New Covenant. It is definite. God says:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer. 31:31.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jer. 31:33.
If there is any "entering in" it is found in Israel "entering in" this covenant whole as a nation with God.
But let's be honest here. This is God's covenant with and towards Israel. This is a covenant between God and Israel.
Hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles are excluded.
Let's not add to the Scripture what is not there.
jeremiah1five
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I am a Biblical Christian.
That's a shame you don't believe the Scripture.
All I've done is paraphrase what's already written.
charismaticlady
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Read Romans 11. Only in the last days after the last Gentiles enter in does the whole nation of Israel get saved.
charismaticlady
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Unfortunately, you don't know the true meaning. There is only one interpretation of every verse inspired by God. Pray to God like I did and ask Him to cleanse your mind of all doctrines of man, and ask God through His Spirit to teach you the true meaning. It works. James 1:5-6. I know, I asked and my mind about exploded with knowledge I never knew before, but is right there in the Scriptures. The Church has gone down the wide highway of doctrines of demons. Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
I promise you that if you do that, and don't doubt, He will teach you.
jeremiah1five
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Yes, I've read the whole bible many times. And when Gentile Christians can't answer and receive the Word of God that God made no covenant with Gentiles or the seed of any Gentiles, they quote the New Covenant Scriptures and try to elbow Gentiles into the New Covenant God made with the House of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
First, the New Covenant writings of Saul, Peter, James, John, Matthew, etc., were written by these Jewish Christians to and for other Jewish Christians in the Jewish churches founded by Jewish Christians who after celebrating the Feast of Harvests (Pentecost) in which 3000 Jews were born again and filled with the Holy Spirit returned to their homes and synagogues in Gentile lands after the Feast taking with them their experiences with the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and an outline of Peter's sermon. And it says that the Lord added daily to the Jewish Church He was building and this adding continued for the next four decades until the "ism" of Judaism ended with the destruction of their Temple and the Times of the Gentiles soon began, a time in which God was saving hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles without a covenant. So, if 3000 Jews were born-again on the day of Pentecost and the Lord added to the Jewish Church He was building as per covenant promises how many Jews were born again daily after that day? 3000 a day for the next four decades? 2000 Jews every day for the next four decades? 1000 Jews being born again daily for the next four decades? 500? 200? Whatever the number being born again daily and added to the Jewish Church - and in the cities these Jewish Christians returned home to is Ephesus, Corinth, Rome, Philippi, Thessalonica, etc., then we can see Christ building His Church as promised. After all, it is a Jewish Covenant and He is a Jewish Messiah from the tribe of Judah.
OK. you want to quote the New Covenant writings? The gospels were written to the Jews so that they "might believe Jesus was their Messiah," right? What are the New Covenant writings but only discussion with and to Jewish Christians at the places the letters were written only discussing the Jewish Covenants of Abraham and Moses and even the New Covenant and all the prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures speaking of the day that has finally come to Israel and they searched the Hebrew Scriptures in order to understand the effect Messiah's arrival had upon their covenants. One example is Saul writing to Jewish Christians in Galatians 3:28-29 explaining to these born-again Jews who were concerned with their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now that Messiah had come and they meet with the Holy Spirit and what does Saul say? "If ye are Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed according to the inheritance," right? It took time to sort out the new thing God was doing first in Jerusalem and then also with Jews in Gentile lands where Jews returned to their synagogues witnessing and testifying about this man named Jesus who claimed to be Israel's Messiah and most likely more and more Jews were becoming saved through their word (Jn. 17.) But a split soon occurred between these Jewish Christians and their synagogue brethren because they stumbled at the stumbling stone and couldn't reconcile their Messiah hanging on a tree. So, Jewish Christians began to gather for fellowship and worship in their homes.
There is no Scripture evidence in the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets of God ever making covenant with uncircumcised Gentiles. If He did, they would be circumcised and there would be a covenant saying so, and maybe even Gentile Scriptures. But He didn't and they didn't, and the Church and Bride of Christ remains Hebrew/Jewish as Christ covenanted and promised to build His Church.
Very soon the Times of the Gentiles will end and God will turn His full attention back on Israel, remove their blindness, send the two Hebrew witnesses who will used the Hebrew Scriptures to show Israel this Jesus was truly their Messiah and THEN at the appearance of Israel's Messiah and Christ "all Israel shall be saved." It won't be long and when that day comes Gentile Christians will not like it.
Not one bit.
jeremiah1five
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I know that the Hebrew Scriptures - the oracles of God committed to the Jews - are God's love letter to His Bride and Church Israel, and that the Church Christ was to build was for four decades populated by Jewish Christians and that the gospels and epistles, including Hebrews and Revelations were written by Jewish Christians TO and FOR other Jewish Christians all talking about the central figure of those Scriptures which is Christ and that everything about salvation is of the Jews and that God is betrothed to Israel thus making Israel His ONLY Bride, the Church in the New Covenant made with the House of Israel is a spiritual body of the physical Great Congregation of over 3 million Hebrews/Jews in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle God delivered from Egypt, and that Christ died for this Church of covenant Israel and that in fulfillment Christ returns to fight alongside Israel against ALL her enemies - including Gentile Christians - and that He will rule all nations (Gentiles) with a rod of Iron as King of the Jews from Jerusalem, Israel.
Now, have I presented a Biblical account of these things, or are you as the rest of Gentile Christians using a Gentile mindset trying to interpret Jewish Scriptures as a Gentile with a western free world 21st century mindset?
A biblical Christian is one who receives the bible as written and rightly dividing the word of truth. And I KNOW I have presented a biblical account of the things I write above. Salvation is of the Jews.
Not salvation is of the Gentiles. There is no such designation in the Word of God the bible:
4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.
Salvation - and all its parts - is of the Jews.
Gentiles have nothing to speak about. They have none of the above. But they love to try to steal Israel's inheritance for the past nearly 2000 years since the destruction of the Jewish Temple and try to make it their own.
Thou shalt not steal.
But many don't care.
They try to make the above list in Romans 9:4-5 as though God was speaking to them.
Delusions. Maybe the strong delusion God said He was to send upon the world.
The Lord knows them that are His. He is the Shepherd and Israel is the sheep, and the other flock He promised to bring with Him?
Samaritans.
Post 79.
Seabass
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And?
If Cornelius was saved before or after his water baptism is a topic I am willing to debnate one on one.
101G
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saved in hope as anyone else and needs baptism just as anyone else. baptism is an ordinance from God and must be obeyed. hence the reason for the sending for Peter.
101G.
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