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none of which states he was saved
Acts 11:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.(future tense)
The Water Baptism of Cornelius
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none of which states he was saved
Acts 11:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.(future tense)
Heard - the word - believe
akouō ---- logos -- pisteuō
When the author of the Book of Acts (Luke) writes of people who have (1) heard (2) the word/s, and (3) believed it is always in reference to people who are Christians.
Acts 2:22, 44
(22) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus the Nazarene, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God performed through Him in your midst, as ye yourselves also know.
(44) And all who believed were together, and had all things in common.
Acts 4:4, 32
(4) Howbeit many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
(32) And the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that anything belonging to him was his own; but all things were common property to them.
Acts 13:6-7, 12
(6) And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a Jewish false prophet, whose name was Bar-Jesus:
(7) Who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man; who summoned Barnabas and Saul, and desired
to hear the word of God.
(12) Then the proconsul, when he saw what was done, believed, being amazed at the doctrine of the Lord.
Acts 19:10, 18
(10) And this continued by the space of two years; so that all those who dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord, both Jews and Greeks.
(18) And many who believed came, and confessed, and showed their deeds.
That Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him heard the word and believed before their water baptism demonstrates they were Christians before their water baptism.
Acts 10:43-44
(43) Of Him all the prophets bear witness, that through His Name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive forgiveness of sins.
(44) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word.
Acts 15:7-8
(7) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men, brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(8) And God, who knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as unto us.
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Peterlag
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Cornelius was not baptized with water. Peter mentioned water and they must have said no because it said he was baptized in the name of the Lord. Water baptism is a carryover from part of the Levitical Law. There are many examples of people in the Old Testament who would wash themselves with water as a final step to being clean. Water baptism was an outward sign of washing, and then you would be clean to God. Baptism in water, and the need to be circumcised passed away with the coming of Pentecost, as did the other Levitical Laws. To be led by the spirit is to not be under the yoke of bondage with the extreme of legalism, seeking the works of the flesh from the old covenant concerning the past Law administration that was written to Israel.There are many attempts made to get around the necessity of water baptism in the salvation of man. One such attempt I will deal here briefly is with Cornelius. The claim is made that since the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius, that is supposed proof he was already saved BEFORE he was water baptized.
The assumption made is that those who are already saved can be the only ones to have the Holy Spirit come upon them.
Yet this assumption is easily refuted for we find in the Bible examples of those not saved yet filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, King Saul being one.
"For instance, in the book of 1 Samuel, we learn about the first king of Israel—King Saul. When he was chosen, Saul was the ideal candidate to be king. And yet because of a series of poor decisions that resulted in disobedience to God’s commands, he was rejected by God. In 1 Samual 16:14, the text explains that “the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul.” Due to Saul’s hardened, disobedient heart, he began to chase David in an attempt to kill him.
Saul’s debased mind even led him to bring about the death of an entire city of the Lord’s priests. On one occasion, as he was chasing David, he heard that David was with Samuel in the city of Ramah. Saul sent messengers to capture David, but when they arrived, “the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, and they prophesied. And when Saul was told, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. Then Saul sent messengers a third time, and they prophesied also” (1 Samuel 19:20-21). Notice that the fact that the Holy Spirit came upon the messengers was not an indication of their being saved, but instead was a miraculous intervention on God’s behalf to save David.
Finally, Saul himself went to Ramah in an attempt to capture and kill David. When he got there, “the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on and prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah” (1 Samuel 19:22-24). The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit were a sign from God, but not one meant to indicate Saul’s salvation. Instead, it was a sign to show that God was with Samuel and was protecting David."
Source Publisher: Apologetics Press
Author: Kyle Butt
If Cornelius Had the Holy Spirit, Doesn’t That Mean He Was Saved? - Apologetics Press
Acts 10 contains the exciting story of Peter preaching the first Gospel sermon to the Gentiles. Until this time, many of the Jewish converts believed that the Gospel was for the Jews, and they thought that those who obeyed the Gospel were also supposed to keep the Law of Moses. That was not...apologeticspress.org
(Lastly a sidenote: 1 Sam 16:14 says the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul. If the Spirit falling upon Cornelius is 'proof' he was saved, then the Spirit departing from one must prove that salvation can also be lost. Correct?)
It's clear from the gospels that water baptism had to do with the kingdom, which was ministered by John who was known as the Baptizer, and not a minister for the Church of God. John who was a prophet functioning under the old covenant was appointed by God to prepare and confirm the promises made to Israel. His message was to tell those who lived under the old covenant that the king had come and “the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” He used water as a sign to baptize those who believed the promised Messiah would be coming in just a matter of months and to illustrate that he would be the Christ, who would baptize them not with material water, but with holy spirit, which is “power from on high.” From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.
In the epistles written just a little bit past the beginning of the New Testament is where we read the only time water baptism is mentioned is to note there is no more need for it, and that we are now to be baptized with holy spirit. And this is why in Acts 2:38, Peter commands “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.” In Acts 8:16, Peter and John “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” In Acts 10:48, Peter “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” In Romans 6:3, it declares “that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ.” There is not one exception to this practice where we see water baptism, which belonged to the time period when Christ walked the earth, being used once the Church of God had become established.
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Acts 10:47–48 (KJV 1900) — 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
jeremiah1five
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Since Acts is dealing with Hebrews, they were all Christian who awaited the Messiah even before they were born-again.
MTMattie
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Clearer..... nasb95 14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’
There is that house hold name that people thinks means no children or babes.............................
The context of the discussion if I recall it was claimed Cornelius was already saved before meeting with Peter which is obviously not the case
jeremiah1five
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God has covenant with Abram the Hebrew.There are many attempts made to get around the necessity of water baptism in the salvation of man. One such attempt I will deal here briefly is with Cornelius. The claim is made that since the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius, that is supposed proof he was already saved BEFORE he was water baptized.
The assumption made is that those who are already saved can be the only ones to have the Holy Spirit come upon them.
Yet this assumption is easily refuted for we find in the Bible examples of those not saved yet filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, King Saul being one.
"For instance, in the book of 1 Samuel, we learn about the first king of Israel—King Saul. When he was chosen, Saul was the ideal candidate to be king. And yet because of a series of poor decisions that resulted in disobedience to God’s commands, he was rejected by God. In 1 Samual 16:14, the text explains that “the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul.” Due to Saul’s hardened, disobedient heart, he began to chase David in an attempt to kill him.
Saul’s debased mind even led him to bring about the death of an entire city of the Lord’s priests. On one occasion, as he was chasing David, he heard that David was with Samuel in the city of Ramah. Saul sent messengers to capture David, but when they arrived, “the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, and they prophesied. And when Saul was told, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. Then Saul sent messengers a third time, and they prophesied also” (1 Samuel 19:20-21). Notice that the fact that the Holy Spirit came upon the messengers was not an indication of their being saved, but instead was a miraculous intervention on God’s behalf to save David.
Finally, Saul himself went to Ramah in an attempt to capture and kill David. When he got there, “the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on and prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah” (1 Samuel 19:22-24). The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit were a sign from God, but not one meant to indicate Saul’s salvation. Instead, it was a sign to show that God was with Samuel and was protecting David."
Source Publisher: Apologetics Press
Author: Kyle Butt
If Cornelius Had the Holy Spirit, Doesn’t That Mean He Was Saved? - Apologetics Press
Acts 10 contains the exciting story of Peter preaching the first Gospel sermon to the Gentiles. Until this time, many of the Jewish converts believed that the Gospel was for the Jews, and they thought that those who obeyed the Gospel were also supposed to keep the Law of Moses. That was not...
(Lastly a sidenote: 1 Sam 16:14 says the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul. If the Spirit falling upon Cornelius is 'proof' he was saved, then the Spirit departing from one must prove that salvation can also be lost. Correct?)
God has covenant with Abraham's seed, a people known as the children of Israel.
During this covenant God sends prophets - Moses is one - in which promises of Messiah and God's Spirit are promised to Israel.
These two promises were fulfilled by Jesus and by Christ.
But these two promises were given to Israel, not Gentiles.
Gentiles got nothing coming to them of God except judgment and eternal fire separated from God.
God is good.
The New Testament baptism en the holy ghost did not exist in the Old Testament era and was a promise for the futureThere are many attempts made to get around the necessity of water baptism in the salvation of man. One such attempt I will deal here briefly is with Cornelius. The claim is made that since the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius, that is supposed proof he was already saved BEFORE he was water baptized.
The assumption made is that those who are already saved can be the only ones to have the Holy Spirit come upon them.
Yet this assumption is easily refuted for we find in the Bible examples of those not saved yet filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, King Saul being one.
"For instance, in the book of 1 Samuel, we learn about the first king of Israel—King Saul. When he was chosen, Saul was the ideal candidate to be king. And yet because of a series of poor decisions that resulted in disobedience to God’s commands, he was rejected by God. In 1 Samual 16:14, the text explains that “the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul.” Due to Saul’s hardened, disobedient heart, he began to chase David in an attempt to kill him.
Saul’s debased mind even led him to bring about the death of an entire city of the Lord’s priests. On one occasion, as he was chasing David, he heard that David was with Samuel in the city of Ramah. Saul sent messengers to capture David, but when they arrived, “the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, and they prophesied. And when Saul was told, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. Then Saul sent messengers a third time, and they prophesied also” (1 Samuel 19:20-21). Notice that the fact that the Holy Spirit came upon the messengers was not an indication of their being saved, but instead was a miraculous intervention on God’s behalf to save David.
Finally, Saul himself went to Ramah in an attempt to capture and kill David. When he got there, “the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on and prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah” (1 Samuel 19:22-24). The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit were a sign from God, but not one meant to indicate Saul’s salvation. Instead, it was a sign to show that God was with Samuel and was protecting David."
Source Publisher: Apologetics Press
Author: Kyle Butt
If Cornelius Had the Holy Spirit, Doesn’t That Mean He Was Saved? - Apologetics Press
Acts 10 contains the exciting story of Peter preaching the first Gospel sermon to the Gentiles. Until this time, many of the Jewish converts believed that the Gospel was for the Jews, and they thought that those who obeyed the Gospel were also supposed to keep the Law of Moses. That was not...
(Lastly a sidenote: 1 Sam 16:14 says the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul. If the Spirit falling upon Cornelius is 'proof' he was saved, then the Spirit departing from one must prove that salvation can also be lost. Correct?)
John 7:38–39 (NASB 2020) — 38 The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Joel 2:28–29 (NASB 2020) — 28 “It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will have dreams, Your young men will see visions. 29 “And even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
Ezekiel 36:22–28 (NASB 2020) — 22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord GOD says: “It is not for your sake, house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD,” declares the Lord GOD, “when I show Myself holy among you in their sight. 24 For I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all the lands; and I will bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put My Spirit within you and bring it about that you walk in My statutes, and are careful and follow My ordinances. 28 And you will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.
Bob Carabbio
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Since salvation (being born again) is BY FAITH (gifted by God - Conviction of SIN is the normal mechanism) - i.e. no conviction = NO faith = NO SALVATION regardless of what other "Religious activities" a person performs. I was "Born again" and became a CHristian on a Wednesday night, and subsequently water baptized the following Sunday evening, which added/changed NOTHING (except my clothes which were wet).
Which is because the INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT is what makes a person a Christian to begin with.
NOBODY in the Old Testament was INFILLED by the holy Spirit as Jesus stated - you KNOW Him, since He's been WITH YOU. but hE will be in you AS RECORDED AT John 20:22. Acts 2:4 wasn't the INDWELLING Spirit, but only the Holy Spirit ON the disciples as He had been in King Saul's (and Samson, and Isaiah, and Samuel, etc.)
jeremiah1five
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John the Baptist baptized only Hebrews/Jews. It was Hebrews/Jews that came out to him from all over Israel especially from Judaea where the Jerusalem capital is. And because John baptizes as a son of a priest and a priest himself, the baptism he offered is from the Law on cleansings as preparation to receiving the Messiah, Deliverer, and King, who we know in hindsight is a man named Jesus of Nazareth.
Since John would never attempt to baptize non-Hebrews, this is a clear sign among others that Cornelius was of mixed heritage, and offspring of a Jewish and non-Jewish birth. The reality is that Jews saw half-Jew half-Gentile Samaritans as "Samaritan, and not as "Jew." The Jews had the same attitude towards mixed heritage Jews of Gentile descent and called the "Gentile" and not "Jew." Mixed heritage Samaritans were basically the offspring of Jew-Assyrian descent, and mixed heritage Jews of non -Hebrew descent were the offspring from everyone else.
Cornelius was an uncircumcised mixed heritage Jew with a Gentile parent somewhere in his ancestry. John the Baptist would not even baptize a non-Hebrew Gentile for this would cause an uproar among the people and since there was no uproar, the right answer is that Cornelius was of Hebrew-Gentile descent who lived according to the Law of Moses. But after hearing Peter and being given the Holy Spirit of Promise who was PROMISED TO ISRAEL his baptism in the Holy Spirit is another clue of his mixed heritage ancestry for the Holy Spirit of Promise was never promised to non-Hebrews and God would not violate His Word.
Since John would never attempt to baptize non-Hebrews, this is a clear sign among others that Cornelius was of mixed heritage, and offspring of a Jewish and non-Jewish birth. The reality is that Jews saw half-Jew half-Gentile Samaritans as "Samaritan, and not as "Jew." The Jews had the same attitude towards mixed heritage Jews of Gentile descent and called the "Gentile" and not "Jew." Mixed heritage Samaritans were basically the offspring of Jew-Assyrian descent, and mixed heritage Jews of non -Hebrew descent were the offspring from everyone else.
Cornelius was an uncircumcised mixed heritage Jew with a Gentile parent somewhere in his ancestry. John the Baptist would not even baptize a non-Hebrew Gentile for this would cause an uproar among the people and since there was no uproar, the right answer is that Cornelius was of Hebrew-Gentile descent who lived according to the Law of Moses. But after hearing Peter and being given the Holy Spirit of Promise who was PROMISED TO ISRAEL his baptism in the Holy Spirit is another clue of his mixed heritage ancestry for the Holy Spirit of Promise was never promised to non-Hebrews and God would not violate His Word.
Complete
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'The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
"Behold the Lamb of God,
which taketh away the sin of the world.
This is He of Whom I said,
After me cometh a man which is preferred before me:
for He was before me.
And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water."
And John bare record, saying,
"I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove,
and it abode upon Him.
And I knew Him not:
but He that sent Me to baptize with water,
the same said unto Me,
Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending,
and remaining on Him,
the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
(Joh 1:29-34)
Hello @jeremiah1five,
Yes, John the Baptist was assigned and sent by God to baptize with water, he was the last of the prophets (Hebrews 1:1-2) through whom God spoke: for from then on God spoke by His Son. The Lord Jesus Christ was made manifest to Israel through John the baptist, this is why he was sent to baptize with water. He bore witness of the light that all his countrymen who heard the Lord Jesus Christ might believe
* John the Baptist had been murdered several years before Peter was sent to Cornelius.
* Cornelius was a centurion, therefore a captain over a hundred men, called the Italian band, because enlisted in Italy (10:1). he was a man of high repute among the Jewish community for He gave alms: a just man, God fearing, the alms he gave were remembered by God, and his prayers were heard.
* Peter had to learn that God was no respecter of persons, and that God was opening the door of the Kingdom for this believing Gentile, his family and near friends who also believed to enter in. Perhaps this is a lesson that you have to learn too, jeremiah1five.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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jeremiah1five
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It was about a decade when Cornelius and Acts 10.
Think for a minute.
Stop with all the false Constantinian Gentile textbook theology and think.
If you can.
Jesus said, Scripture cannot be broken.
This means no one can change or add or subtract from what's been written. And what's been written (the Law, Psalms, and the prophets) were written to and for the children of Israel.
The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and Abram's Hebrew seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah is between God and the House of Israel and Judah.
The Holy Spirit of Promise was PROMISED TO ISRAEL by the prophet Joel. He was not promised to non-Hebrew Gentiles.
In order to bring non-Hebrew Gentiles into the covenants or to teach the Holy Spirit is given to Gentiles means you have to do some serious breaking of Scripture and violating of the Word of God.
And that's what you do.
I take my theology from the Word of God. You take your theology from man's books. I know because I use to believe the garbage you and others here post.
So, either prove from the Hebrew Scripture Gentiles in the Hebrew covenants or Gentiles promised God's Spirit and not break Scripture and win the argument. That's all you got to do.
So, prove it to me. Where are Gentiles in the threew Hebrew covenants and where does God promise His Spirit to Gentiles.
???
Complete
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'While Peter yet spake these words,
the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter,
because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.'
(Act 10:44)
Hello @jeremiah1five,
Scripture is my source, and no other. So you must be careful what you call garbage. Your accusations are groundless.
May God give you the grace to believe.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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jeremiah1five
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15 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
Sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders,
Gather the children, and those that suck the breasts:
Let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar,
And let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD,
And give not thine heritage to reproach,
That the heathen should rule over them:
Wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land,
And pity his people.
19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people,
Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil,
And ye shall be satisfied therewith:
And I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army,
And will drive him into a land barren and desolate,
With his face toward the east sea,
And his hinder part toward the utmost sea,
And his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up,
Because he hath done great things.
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice:
For the LORD will do great things.
22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field:
For the pastures of the wilderness do spring,
For the tree beareth her fruit,
The fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God:
For he hath given you the former rain moderately,
And he will cause to come down for you the rain,
The former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat,
And the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,
The cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm,
My great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied,
And praise the name of the LORD your God,
That hath dealt wondrously with you:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids
In those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth,
Blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and lthe moon into blood,
Before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:
For qin mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance,
As the LORD hath said,
And in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Joel 2:15–32.
God is speaking to Israel
Joel was sent to Israel
These words are given to Israel.
The promise of the Spirit is given to Israel.
There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in this prophecy from God to Israel promising God's Spirit to non-Hebrews.
So, either Luke is breaking Scripture or your interpretation is breaking Scripture.
Guess which one it is that's breaking Scripture.
Complete
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'While Peter yet spake these words,
the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter,
because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.'
(Act 10:44)
Hello @jeremiah1five,
You are failing to listen to the words of Scripture (above) written in relation to the Gentiles receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter and his fellow countrymen, who witnessed it, were astonished that God had poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost upon the Gentiles: for like yourself they did not expect it. God was doing a new thing before their eyes. Wake up jeremiah1five! and believe God.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris
jeremiah1five
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Again, to believe THAT means to break Scripture. And Scripture does not break itself. It is always the interpretation that does the breaking Scripture that is wrong. God is not fickle; God does not change. Nor does His Word. If the Spirit was promised to Israel, then to Israel will He come. And He came to Jews in the thousands. Every day Christ added to His Church thousands such as should be saved (Acts 2:47.) Three thousand Jews were born again on Pentecost (Jewish Feast of Harvest.) Another five thousand days later.
Complete
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Hello @jeremish1five,
I fear that you are essentially an unbeliever: For you fail to believe what is written in God's word concerning the person of the Lord Jesus Christ and the work that He accomplished. This is not something that is for open discussion, but it is something that you should bring to God in prayer.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I fear that you are essentially an unbeliever: For you fail to believe what is written in God's word concerning the person of the Lord Jesus Christ and the work that He accomplished. This is not something that is for open discussion, but it is something that you should bring to God in prayer.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
jeremiah1five
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You obviously do not know the difference between taking God at His Word as written, which is what I do, and adding to God's Word as written which is what you and most others here do.
Here's a passage that should clarify the identity of those that engage in it.
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.
There are many liars here who add the God's Word such as those that add non-Hebrew Gentiles to the Abraham the Hebrew covenant and they are the ones that are identified as those that do not and cannot be true born or God believers because no liar is of the truth, nor do they have the kingdom of God dwelling in them.
And still no one can provide proof from Genesis 12, 15, and 17 where Moses recorded the Abraham Covenant with God that there are non-Hebrew Gentiles in this Hebrew Covenant.
So, until someone can prove through Scripture God names or mentions non-Hebrews in this Abrahamic Covenant then you are all liars and NOT true born of God believers.
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