The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

You continue to redefine your words to fit the circumstance so that they fit your eisegesis.
That statement is the epitome of IRONY.
Man is not righteous unless he is accounted so by God. Abraham was not righteous and then "shown to be" by his faith. He was credited with righteousness by God because of his faith (what he believed in his heart and how he acted upon that belief).
FALSE. Abraham was accounted as righteous by faith in Genesis 15:6 when he BELIEVED God many years before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22 and was shown to be righteous. Acting on his belief was a demonstration of his belief but not the origin of it.
If you don't put your butt in the chair, then you don't trust the chair.
If you don't put your weight on the bridge, you don't trust the bridge.
If you don't obey Jesus, you don't really trust Him.
It's one thing to trust in Jesus for salvation and another thing to trust in Jesus in every aspect of our Christian life after we have been saved. We are not sinless, without fault or defect, flawless after conversion 100% of the time.
That is faith.
If we don't obey Jesus/obey the gospel (Romans 10:16) by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) then we don't have faith no matter how much so called obedience that we attempt to conjure up from an unregenerate heart beyond that. The will of God unto salvation is that we believe in Jesus for salvation (John 6:40) and not in works. (Matthew 7:21-23)
You shouldn't "assume", but you should connect it to what other Scripture says about it.
I have read what other Scripture says about it. (John 4:10, 14; John 7:37-39; John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) No water baptism is those verses either.
No, He didn't. He connected eternal life with faith, and baptism is an act of faith.
An act of faith is a work and not faith itself. Jesus did connect eternal life with believing in John 3:15,16,18 and also with living water in John 4:14. Get the picture?
Ordinary water indeed has no power to cleanse the heart from sin, but then, it doesn't have the power to cleanse disease, yet it is through water that God commanded people to do make themselves "ceremonially clean" when entering the Temple/Tabernacle.
Ceremonially clean in the OT is still not literally clean by the blood of Christ in the NT.
You keep telling yourself that. But it is not true.
It's true. Been there, done that so I understand your confusion and denial.
I do not. Repentance is a part of faith, but must come after intellectual assent.
I'm not talking about mere intellectual assent as if all one believes is that Jesus Christ exists and that His death, burial and resurrection "happened." If that's as deep as faith goes then it is not different than the faith of demons. Repentance comes after mere mental assent belief yet precedes saving belief which is a deeper faith that trusts in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) You still cannot grasp this deeper faith which explains why you have so much faith in works for salvation instead.
The initial turning from sin to God is what is required to receive salvation to begin with. But after initial salvation is received the person must continually turn back to God every time he stumbles into sin again.
So, repent/saved, sin/lost all over again, repent again/saved all over again according to you? We repent and believe the gospel and are saved once and for all and not over and over again.
You are talking only about initial repentance leading to initial salvation, but I am talking about both that and continual repentance throughout the rest of life.
Initial salvation? I often hear that term from those who teach what I call, "type 2 works salvation" or salvation by works at the back door. Go figure.
Just as with faith, you cannot separate the two: decision and action. If you "make the decision", but don't take the actions, did you really make the decision? Paul say, no you didn't. The same goes for faith. If you "believe" but you don't obey (John 3:36), then you really don't believe.
The act of obedience in John 3:36 is choosing to believe in the Son for salvation. Obedience/actions/works which "follow" are the demonstrative evidence of our belief/faith but not the essence of our belief/faith.
That is because repentance is a part of the faith that is required for salvation.
Repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin. Change of mind--new direction of that change of mind--faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
And so is confession of Jesus as Lord,
Confirmation of faith.
and baptism.
Baptism follows salvation (Acts 10:43-47) and is not a part of faith or required for salvation.
All of them "LEAD TO" or "RESULT IN" salvation being received.
False. Repentance precedes saving faith in Christ and confession is a confirmation of faith by the Holy Spirit which is why we will be saved if we confess. Salvation is signified but is not procured in water baptism.
And if you exclude any of them from your doctrine of salvation, then you are ignoring those Scriptures or turning them into lies.
Your 4 step check list plan of salvation is the result of bad semantics and flawed hermeneutics and culminates in works salvation. You remain deceived.
 
If a person is just "checking a box", then their confession is not real, and thus salvation doesn't happen. Confession of Jesus must be sincere or you are taking His name in vain.
BINGO! HELLO!
Of course.

Precisely. And again, the confession of Jesus as Lord must come BEFORE they are saved, because that confession RESULTS IN them receiving salvation.
You are still turning confession into a work for salvation. The word of faith is in our mouth and heart TOGETHER (Romans 10:8) and we confess BY the Holy Spirit that Jesus is Lord. (1 Corinthians 12:13) Again, that is why we will be saved if we confess. Not two separate steps to salvation but chronologically together.
When and where did I EVER say anything like this? Why are you making stuff up?
My example of Walmart was me sarcastically making the point that Romans 10:8-10 is not talking about publicly confessing Christ as a work for salvation. Those who are mute (cannot speak) would remain lost according to your erroneous interpretation.
No Dan, that does not negate Rom 10:9-10. smh
It absolutely does. You remain in denial.
If I tell you that I am wearing a shirt and jeans.
And later I tell you that I am wearing a salmon colored polo.
And in another place I tell you that I am wearing a ball cap.
Do the latter two statements negate the first? No. They give clarification and additional details.
That is what you find in Scripture in many places. There is a situation, or a doctrine and in one place we see it from one side (only faith mentioned), and in another place we see it from another side (only repentance mentioned), and in another place we see it a little differently from that same side (repentance and baptism both mentioned), etc. All of these support each other and work together. They do not negate, conflict, or contradict each other.
Your patch together false gospel negates salvation through faith because faith precedes baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) Repentance (faith implied or assumed) is unto salvation. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 26:28) Baptism is parenthetical. (Acts 2:38)
Your points are senseless. I have rebutted them many times, but you do not listen or learn.
You are the master of IRONY.
Partially correct, but still missing the mark.
A deep personal conviction will include action (faith). And if there is no action, then it is just a head acknowledgement (no faith).
Salvation by works misses the mark. A deep personal conviction includes trust and reliance. Action which follows is the fruit of faith but not the essence of faith. You still cannot grasp this deeper faith that trusts and relies in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. You simply add actions/works to head acknowledgement and your trust and reliance is in these actions/works for salvation instead of in Christ alone.
Indeed it is important to understand that difference.
I just explained the difference that you keep missing.
And as I have shown you over and over, there are three actions that Scripture says LEAD TO or RESULT IN receiving salvation. All other actions come after salvation is received, but these three MUST come before it is received, because they result in salvation. It is too simple, but it is impossible for your hard heart to comprehend.
Intellectual assent + moral self-reformation + lip service confession + water baptism does not = salvation.
No, it does not negate anything.
You still just don't get it and there is a reason for that. Been there, done that but now I BELIEVE. When will you BELIEVE?
Baptism is a passive event, the teacher does the immersing of the student, thus it is a third person event. And it is not a group thing, but a singular, individual, one at a time thing, thus the shift from the plural to the singular. Basically Peter is saying, "All y'all repent, and each one of you come and be baptized by one of us, and you will be forgiven of your sins."
AT Robertson explained it well.
So you are admitting that your preconception is driving your eisegesis? Now we are getting somewhere.
I'm not driven by preconceived beliefs. I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.
I am not letting any preconception drive my interpretation. I looked at ALL of what Scripture says about salvation, and then searched through all of the passages that talked about anything specific (repentance, confession, baptism, forgiveness, etc.) and found all the ones that say what leads to or results in receiving salvation.
LOL! Your blatant misinterpretation of Acts 10:43-47 is a good example of preconception driving your interpretation. Instead of properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine, you instead distort and pervert passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" your so called gospel plan.
 
The parable of the unforgiving servant talks about forgiveness being required for forgiveness, but it is addressed to the Apostles (already saved, I believe) and so is not something that leads to or result in salvation (I think it refers to continued forgiveness (not OSAS)).
The picture here illustrates God's forgiveness when dealing with our sins at the cross. Our debt has been paid in full by Jesus. In Matthew 18:28, where the servant is unwilling to forgive his fellow servant such a small debt of a hundred denarii is presented as a repulsive hypothetical situation. As unbelievable as this action would be, that is how unbelievable it would be for a genuine born again Christian, who has been forgiven such a huge debt, to be unforgiving of others with such a small debt. Notice that this "unforgiving servant" is called a "wicked" servant because no genuine born again Christian would have such an unforgiving heart. Hearts that are humble and have received God’s grace forgive others from a heart that is saved, but proud and vengeful hearts which do not forgive in such small matters reveal a heart that is unsaved and does not receive God's forgiveness.

Failure to forgive in such a small matter shows that this person has not fully embraced God’s grace and forgiveness, hence the term, "wicked servant," which is not descriptive of a genuine believer. The fact that this person is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean they were saved. The children of Israel were referred to as "the Lord’s servants," but they were not all saved.

In Leviticus 25:55, we read - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Jude 1:5 - Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people (the Israelites) out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

In Isaiah 43:10, we read - You are my witnesses, says the LORD, my servant, whom I have chosen..

In Nehemiah 1:6, we read - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

Many translations say that the wicked servant was forgiven of his huge debt because he begged or pleaded with his master. Thus, his master showed mercy and forgiveness and the huge debt of the wicked servant was forgiven until his unforgiving nature was discovered. His master in this parable was a man who did not infallibly know his wicked servant's heart (unlike the Lord, Jesus Christ who infallibly knows our hearts) and did not realize that his servant was wicked until his heart was exposed by refusing to forgive one of his fellow servants a small debt and the wicked servant even choked his fellow servant and threw him into prison until he could pay back the small debt. Jesus warned that God cannot forgive us if we have a wicked, unmerciful, unforgiving heart and to be unwilling to forgive in such a small matter would reveal such a wicked heart.

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the servant’s debt was forgiven until his unforgiving nature was discovered. In contrast, our sin debt was paid in full by Christ at the cross and is the means for God’s forgiveness. We cannot repay our sin debt to God or earn our salvation and God is not automatically going to forgive us our sin debt simply because we beg or plead with Him with a wicked heart that is unwilling to forgive others, especially in such a small matter, as in the parable. God forgives our sin debt by grace through faith (instrumental means) and forgiveness is the mark of a merciful heart that is saved.

The Lord isn't going to forgive unmerciful, unforgiving, wicked hearts no matter how much we beg and plead, then take back the gift and He also doesn’t order that our wife and children be sold in order to pay off the debt either. (Matthew 18:25) We could fall to our knees all we want asking the Lord to be patient with us and we will pay back our enormous sin debt (Matthew 18:26) but it's too huge to pay back, so that isn't going to work either.

Unforgiveness is the mark of an unbeliever and forgiveness would be the mark of a genuine believer. We should forgive others because God, through Christ, has forgiven us (Ephesians 4:32). It is inconceivable that someone who has truly experienced God's forgiveness could refuse to grant forgiveness to others, especially in such a small matter, as we saw in Matthew 18:26-35.

I have found that ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS which is a major
red flag for me.
You have that backwards, as you admitted in the previous paragraph.
You may be delusional.
You are trying to use the obscure and vague to explain away the clear and concise. 1 Pet 3:21 is very clear that it is in water baptism that we are saved. Acts 22:16 is very clear that Saul's sins were washed away through baptism in Jesus' name.
More irony and preconceived beliefs. You ignore not the removal of dirt from the flesh but the answer of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ and calling on the name of the Lord. You only zero in on the part of verses that tickle your ears and ignore the context. You also ignore numerous passages of scripture which make it clear that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." You are care about promoting your perverted water gospel.
And I could go on.
That's all you do is go on and on. :rolleyes:
What is the purpose of miracles? Frequently they are called "signs". What is it a sign of? Nicodemus tells us. "Signs" were a way that God proclaimed who His messengers were. Look at the signs that God gave Moses from the Bush. They were signs to prove that the messenger was really from God. (There was also a negative proof, but that is not relevant to this discussion). The sign of speaking in tongues in the Gentiles was not a sign that they were saved already. It was a sign to the Jews that the Gentiles were acceptable to God, and that they were to be accepted into the Church as equals with the Jews. That is why Peter commanded that they be baptized into Christ immediately.
Its true that speaking in tongues was a sign to the Jews that these Gentiles were acceptable to God AND it's also true it's also true these Gentiles were saved. Spiritual gifts are ONLY for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12) and (spare me the ludicrous Campbellie argument about Baalams donkey). These Gentiles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) To believe otherwise is to be blatantly dishonest.
I do not believe that the merit of the actions we must take has any basis for our salvation. That is your hangup, not mine.
You seek to be saved by your personal definition of non-meritorious works.
And this is not the only place where obedience to God is stated as a condition to receiving salvation. In Heb 5:9, we see that Jesus is the author of salvation to everyone who OBEYS Him. Not just to those who have intellectual assent, or to those who say a prayer in private, or "ask Jesus into their heart". He is the author of salvation to those who do what He says. You want to put all obedience after He gives salvation; you want the reward before you demonstrate faith. But that is not how Scripture explains it.
Those who have not obeyed the gospel (Romans 10:16) by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) do not obey Christ no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up from an unregenerate heart in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works.

Now, we could keep going back and forth here forever. But you are not going to convince me to water down my understanding of the Truth of God's Word. You have all these ways of explaining away what God says, but none of them harmonize with ALL Scripture.
My sentiments towards you exactly. I pray that something I shared with you has at least planted a seed that one day will be watered and lead you to the truth. 🙏
 
My sentiments towards you exactly. I pray that something I shared with you has at least planted a seed that one day will be watered and lead you to the truth. 🙏
The truth already resides within me, and He continually shows me the error of my ways. He has shown me the error of your posts, and helped me try to show them to you, but you refuse to see the truth. God has told us to do no more than point the way to the truth. If you refuse to see the truth, that is on your head. My responsibility is done. But I pray that those who read these posts will study the Word for themselves and find the truth in what I have said.
 
Reception of the Spirit, the baptism en the Holy spirit is not about rituals done with human hands

What it is, is a work of Christ and the Holy Spirit

Christ sends the Spirit by which we are baptized into Christ

I agree!

Stephen dealt with this in Acts 7. He gave His life to tell the truth about how Israel falsely viewed the "house of God".....

Act 7:47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
Act 7:48 Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
Act 7:49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Did not my hand make all these things?’
Act 7:51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,

There are many many human rituals that God allowed that were ultimately contrary to what the Spiritual life actually entailed....

The very "House of God" is within. The work of the new birth.
 
No, it is not leaving any room for anything else. If I tell you that the only cake in all existence is in a room, and that room has only one door. Then I tell you that to have the cake you must open the door and enter the room, then you can have all the cake you want.
If you never open the door, do you get cake? No.
If you open the door but never enter, do you get cake? No.
If you open the door and can't see the cake, but you hear others eating the cake, do you get cake? No.
If you stick your foot in and do the Hokey Pokey, do you get cake? No.
If you open the door and walk through the door in faith/trust that there is cake inside, do you get cake? YES!!!

So water baptism is inside the "door"? If you're going to use analogies. Pick them wisely. Is water baptism THE DOOR or part of the door?

Lets get past this "door analogy" you used before we deal with Naaman anymore.
 
I agree!

Stephen dealt with this in Acts 7. He gave His life to tell the truth about how Israel falsely viewed the "house of God".....

Act 7:47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
Act 7:48 Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
Act 7:49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Did not my hand make all these things?’
Act 7:51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,

There are many many human rituals that God allowed that were ultimately contrary to what the Spiritual life actually entailed....

The very "House of God" is within. The work of the new birth.
Glad to hear it
 
Sometimes, but not always.

Acts 2:4
Acts 2:4 does nothing to separate the baptism en the Spirit and the permanent indwelling which was not available until Pentecost






Correct.

But there were many who were filled with the Holy Spirit. And this is where you problem lies; you think that just because someone "receives the Spirit" that they are indwelt, and thus saved. But He has been falling ON or ONTO people for thousands of years before Christ and none of them were indwelt.
Um its scripture

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

BTW it is also not stated that the Spirit was himself was received in the Old Testament






No assumption. What does the Word say?
Acts 2:4
Acts 10:46
Acts 11:15

Again, you are equating being empowered by the Holy Spirit with being indwelt by Him, and they are not the same.
Acts 10:46; Acts 11:15 is no different than than what is stated here

Acts 11:16 (LEB) — 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

So both concern the baptism en the holy Ghost

being given and receiving the Holy Ghost

and by Acts 2:4 there were now 120 as per

Acts 1:15–17 (LEB) — 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (and it was a crowd of persons of about one hundred twenty at the same place) and said, 16 “Men and brothers, it was necessary that the scripture be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit proclaimed beforehand through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus, 17 because he was counted among us and received a share in this ministry.”

so there is no evidence of any separation between the baptism en the holy Ghost and the indwelling













Repentance UNTO (leading toward), not "resulting in immediate" new life. There is no water in repentance, but water AND Spirit are required for rebirth. Had Cornelius passed through water when the Spirit fell on him in power? No. Then he had not yet fulfilled all of what Jesus Himself said was required for rebirth.
You are adding to scripture with your not resulting

Faith the flip side of repentance, brings new life

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
 
1 Cor 8:5
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;"
Paul wrote of there being many kinds of lords and gods, but there is just ONE Lord and ONE God that can save (Eph 4:4-5)

James 2:14
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?"
James speaks of different kinds of faith, but there is just ONE faith that can save (Eph 4:5)

Matt 3:11-13; Acts 2:38; etc
The NT speaks of different kinds of baptisms, but there is ONE baptism that can save (Eph 4:4-5).

To claim there is more than one kind of baptism that can save people today, then a person might as well claim there are more than one kind of lord and god that can save or more than one kind of faith that can save people today. To deny there is one baptism that saves, (or deny any of the "ones" of Eph 4:4-5) is to deny the very foundation of Christianity itself.
'For by one Spirit
are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit'.

(1Cor. 12:13)

Hello @Seabass,

There is one baptism that takes place in the sight of God today, and that is believer's baptism. Performed by the Spirit the moment we believe in our heart the Lord Jesus. But at the time that 1 Corinthians was written there were two baptisms in operation: Baptism in water for the remission of sins, and baptism of the Spirit, which was accompanied by spiritual gifts. Later, following the revelation given to Paul concerning the fellowship of the church of the one body (Eph. 3:9), of which Christ is the Head, there is just ONE baptism in operation, not made with hands: Which is part of The Unity Of The Spirit that we are to KEEP, in the bond of peace: Which the Lord Jesus Christ has secured for us, via the cross (Ephesians 4:3-7}.

Praise His Holy Name

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'For by one Spirit
are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit'.

(1Cor. 12:13)

Hello @Seabass,

There is one baptism that takes place in the sight of God today, and that is believer's baptism. Performed by the Spirit the moment we believe in our heart the Lord Jesus. But at the time that 1 Corinthians was written there were two baptisms in operation: Baptism in water for the remission of sins, and baptism of the Spirit, which was accompanied by spiritual gifts. Later, following the revelation given to Paul concerning the fellowship of the church of the one body (Eph. 3:9), of which Christ is the Head, there is just ONE baptism in operation, not made with hands: Which is part of The Unity Of The Spirit that we are to KEEP, in the bond of peace: Which the Lord Jesus Christ has secured for us, via the cross (Ephesians 4:3-7}.

Praise His Holy Name

In Christ Jesus
Chris
I find it interesting how many people quote 1 Cor 12:13 and misinterpret it. People seem to think that just because it says "by one Spirit" that it is "Spirit baptism". But we are told in Rom 6:1-7, and Col 2:11-14, and 1 Pet 3:21 that the Holy Spirit is active in water baptism. And it is commanded in Matt 28:19 that man be the one who does the baptizing (thus the ONE baptism (Eph 4:5) is one done by MAN) and the Spirit will be a participant in that baptism.

Yes, it is by the ONE Spirit (the Holy Spirit) that we are united into one family, but He does it during WATER BAPTISM, just as these other passages tell us.
 
So water baptism is inside the "door"? If you're going to use analogies. Pick them wisely. Is water baptism THE DOOR or part of the door?

Lets get past this "door analogy" you used before we deal with Naaman anymore.
LOL, Jesus is the door, the way, the entrance to unity with God. We must walk through the door for there is no other way in. Baptism is how we walk through the door. Not belief alone. Not repentance alone. Not having a feeling or saying a prayer, or anything else; baptism in water as John 3:5 and 1 Pet 3:21 (among others) say.
 
LOL, Jesus is the door, the way, the entrance to unity with God. We must walk through the door for there is no other way in. Baptism is how we walk through the door. Not belief alone. Not repentance alone. Not having a feeling or saying a prayer, or anything else; baptism in water as John 3:5 and 1 Pet 3:21 (among others) say.

Okay. Lets go with this....

You're saying Baptism "opens the door"? or are you saying that baptism is in the doorway?

I don't get how you can "walk through a door" with "baptism".

In your scenario there are other issues. I will deal with them after you explain what "how you walk through the door" answer.

I will briefly say, that Christ, since He is the Door, controls who enters. Not only this, open doors allow two way traffic. Think about this before you answer. You're working your way into a problem you're not seeing. You should "back up" and use a different analogy and admit you're wrong to try to use it.
 
Okay. Lets go with this....

You're saying Baptism "opens the door"? or are you saying that baptism is in the doorway?

I don't get how you can "walk through a door" with "baptism".

In your scenario there are other issues. I will deal with them after you explain what "how you walk through the door" answer.

I will briefly say, that Christ, since He is the Door, controls who enters. Not only this, open doors allow two way traffic. Think about this before you answer. You're working your way into a problem you're not seeing. You should "back up" and use a different analogy and admit you're wrong to try to use it.
He has men in control of the door
 
Okay. Lets go with this....

You're saying Baptism "opens the door"? or are you saying that baptism is in the doorway?
Neither. Baptism is the action of stepping through the door.
I don't get how you can "walk through a door" with "baptism".
You start out standing in sin, outside of the room. You submit to being baptized by the person who is teaching you the Gospel, in obedience to Matt 28:19 and Acts 2:38. In that act, you step through the door into salvation.
In your scenario there are other issues. I will deal with them after you explain what "how you walk through the door" answer.

I will briefly say, that Christ, since He is the Door, controls who enters. Not only this, open doors allow two way traffic. Think about this before you answer. You're working your way into a problem you're not seeing. You should "back up" and use a different analogy and admit you're wrong to try to use it.
Christ does indeed control who enters, and those who enter are those who obey His command to be baptized into Him.

And it is a two way door. It is entirely possible to walk back out of that door and relinquish your salvation.
 
I find it interesting how many people quote 1 Cor 12:13 and misinterpret it. People seem to think that just because it says "by one Spirit" that it is "Spirit baptism". But we are told in Rom 6:1-7, and Col 2:11-14, and 1 Pet 3:21 that the Holy Spirit is active in water baptism. And it is commanded in Matt 28:19 that man be the one who does the baptizing (thus the ONE baptism (Eph 4:5) is one done by MAN) and the Spirit will be a participant in that baptism.

Yes, it is by the ONE Spirit (the Holy Spirit) that we are united into one family, but He does it during WATER BAPTISM, just as these other passages tell us.
This is not water

1 Corinthians 12:13 (ESV) — 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

And water failed to do so at Acts 8, 19

And was accomplished before water in Acts 10,11,15 (Cornelius and the gentiles)
 
This is not water

1 Corinthians 12:13 (ESV) — 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

And water failed to do so at Acts 8, 19

And was accomplished before water in Acts 10,11,15 (Cornelius and the gentiles)
That is your misconception talking. You are not accepting all of what Scripture says about it; only taking partial statements from things that seem to agree with what you already believe.
You have men baptizing in water, controlling the door

you cannot consistently deny that
Yes, man must baptize in water, but that is not controlling the door. That is the Door stating who He will and will not admit through the door.
 
Neither. Baptism is the action of stepping through the door.

So you can't step through the door without being Baptized?

That does put men in control because men are required to administrator the ordinance.

You start out standing in sin, outside of the room. You submit to being baptized by the person who is teaching you the Gospel, in obedience to Matt 28:19 and Acts 2:38. In that act, you step through the door into salvation.

Again. You have men "standing in the way" between you and the door.

Christ does indeed control who enters, and those who enter are those who obey His command to be baptized into Him.

You have Christ standing there with other men. You don't have Christ alone there. Just admit it. It will be best to admit it.

And it is a two way door. It is entirely possible to walk back out of that door and relinquish your salvation.

Well. Since it is two way doorway, the Spirit of God is on the other side of the door waiting to come in......

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
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