The Unitarian belief that Jesus is not God causes those who offer worship to the Father's Throne (where Jesus sits) to be guilty of idolatry.

All of Heaven prays and worships those who are sitting in the Father's Throne (the Father and the Son). I'll follow their example.

I've never personally meet a Trinitarian that I believe would refuse to pray to Jesus based upon.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

In the context of a the ONLY Mediator, I can't see it any other way. I almost always beginning my prayer with "Lord Jesus"....
 
Yes. Bahá'u'lláh is my foundation.
I'm not a Christian Unitarian.
The vast majority of Baha'is don't even know the word "Unitarian" and have no interest in a debate on the Trinity
My interest is on the understanding of people who believe and do not believe in the Trinity.

My battle is not for theological truth, but for spiritual truth. Without love and unity, doctrinal orthodoxy is for the most part, irrelevant.
Well you have the wrong foundation

John 14:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Corinthians 3:11 (KJV 1900) — 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.


You either respect Christ and believe his word or you do not respect him
 
I've never personally meet a Trinitarian that I believe would refuse to pray to Jesus based upon.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

In the context of a the ONLY Mediator, I can't see it any other way. I almost always beginning my prayer with "Lord Jesus"....
Yep, Christians honor Christ as they honor the Father. Non Christians do not
 
All of Heaven prays and worships those who are sitting in the Father's Throne (the Father and the Son). I'll follow their example.

Dear readers

According to the Book of Revelation, all of heaven praises and worships the ONE AND ONLY PERSON sitting at the throne

Scripture says:
  1. At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. (4:2)
  2. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. (4:3)
  3. Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne... (5:1)
  4. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne (5:7)
We have four references in the same vision that makes the presence of one and only one person at the throne unequivocal.
Therefore, brother Synergy is wrong when he says "those who are sitting in the Father's Throne"
 
Yep, Christians honor Christ as they honor the Father. Non Christians do not
Christians honor and dishonor Christ the same way that Non-Christians honor and dishonor Christ.
I find no differences.
Maybe I am wrong and you can bring some differences to the Forum
So far, no one has brought A SINGLE REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE .

Saying or writing "I honor Christ" or "I worship Christ" has no value on itself. Demons can also say it.
 
I almost always beginning my prayer with "Lord Jesus"....
That's good...
but again, the vast majority of Christians do not do that.
Start counting: 1,400 million Catholics. Then add Orthodox, Anglican, Lutherans, Episcopalians, and a very long list.

So, you can't say that praying directly to Jesus is what makes Trinitarians different from Unitarians in their relationship with Jesus.
 
If you really believe this, you shouldn't give others the impression that reason will change your mind.
I think you may be right, and I thank you for that insight.
I try from time to time to remind people on why I participate in the Forum

In presenting the rationale for doctrine X, what I want is for people who reject that doctrine to understand that people who believe in doctrine X are not fool nor perverse.
 
Christians honor and dishonor Christ the same way that Non-Christians honor and dishonor Christ.
I find no differences.
Maybe I am wrong and you can bring some differences to the Forum
So far, no one has brought A SINGLE REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE .

Saying or writing "I honor Christ" or "I worship Christ" has no value on itself. Demons can also say it.
Afraid not

If one does not honor Christ as they honor the Father not only do they fail to honor Christ properly, but they do not honor the Father either
 
Dear readers

According to the Book of Revelation, all of heaven praises and worships the ONE AND ONLY PERSON sitting at the throne

Scripture says:
  1. At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. (4:2)
  2. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. (4:3)
  3. Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne... (5:1)
  4. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne (5:7)
We have four references in the same vision that makes the presence of one and only one person at the throne unequivocal.
Therefore, brother Synergy is wrong when he says "those who are sitting in the Father's Throne"
The book of Revelation presents Christ being worshipped as the Father is worshipped

Revelation 5:6–14 (NASB 2020) — 6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 And He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the scroll and to break its seals; for You were slaughtered, and You purchased people for God with Your blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation. 10 You have made them into a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign upon the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing.” 13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
 
I'm glad you found my job acceptable in summarizing the premises.

Yes, we have repeatedly quoted John 17:1-3 and John 20:17.
Do you recognize that we have repeatedly quoted those verses?
It does not support you

You keep assuming there is but one person in the one being of God begging the question
 
Dear readers

According to the Book of Revelation, all of heaven praises and worships the ONE AND ONLY PERSON sitting at the throne

Scripture says:
  1. At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. (4:2)
  2. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. (4:3)
  3. Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne... (5:1)
  4. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne (5:7)
We have four references in the same vision that makes the presence of one and only one person at the throne unequivocal.
Therefore, brother Synergy is wrong when he says "those who are sitting in the Father's Throne"
Let's revisit Rev 3:12 and notice the fact that Jesus had to first overcome and then he would sit down with his Father on his Father's Throne.

21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

So when is Jesus shown as overcoming?

6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

All of Heaven recognizes Jesus' worthiness with prayers and glory to him:

8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song, saying:

You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

10 And have made [y]us kings[z] and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,
12 saying with a loud voice:
Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

Where is Muhammad and Bahá'u'lláh?????
 
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Afraid not

If one does not honor Christ as they honor the Father not only do they fail to honor Christ properly, but they do not honor the Father either
But how are you sure of what you say, if you don't know them and you don't know the rest of your Trinitarian fellows?
As I said, nobody has brought a single example of real life in how Trinitarians honor Christ in a way Unitarians do not.
 
Let's revisit Rev 3:12 and notice the fact that Jesus had to first overcome and then he would sit down with his Father on his Father's Throne.

21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

So when is Jesus shown as overcoming?

6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

The worship of Jesus immediately happens after the slain Lamb shows his worthiness:

8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song, saying:

You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

10 And have made [y]us kings[z] and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,
12 saying with a loud voice:
Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

Where is Muhammad and Bahá'u'lláh?????
Jesus is seen in the throne here

Revelation 7:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 5:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Shared throne here

Revelation 22:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
 
But how are you sure of what you say, if you don't know them and you don't know the rest of your Trinitarian fellows?
As I said, nobody has brought a single example of real life in how Trinitarians honor Christ in a way Unitarians do not.
We pray to Jesus and worship him as all of Heaven does. Unitarians will be the ones in Heaven with folded hands refusing to worship the Lamb.
 
I'm glad you found my job acceptable in summarizing the premises.

Yes, we have repeatedly quoted John 17:1-3 and John 20:17.
Do you recognize that we have repeatedly quoted those verses?
Did you notice how we repeatedly proved that they are all Trinitarian verses and we thanked you for bringing them forward to our attention?
 
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be
to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.
I had provided four verses within the vision of Revelation that show that there is only One Person sitting on the throne.
You have provided a fifth one, that I have highlighted in green. As you can see, the Lamb is mentioned apart.
So, as per the five references provided within the scenario in question (the vision of the throne), there is only One Person on the Throne.

Revelation 3:12 is not within the narrative of the vision (which extends from Rev 4:1 to Rev 5:14) and uses "throne" as a place that can admit millions of people.

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Now, having said that, you are right when you say that Heaven recognizes the worthiness of the Lamb. That's clear from the text.
 
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