The Trinity study ,plural references to God in the Old Testament:Plural nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs

[Runningman]

oh wow. so you can return to the dictionary and forget about the context and usage of the words. That is not helpful in scholarly debates. I would have hoped you would have caught up to higher levels such as rhetorical criticism.

You are using Unitarian style theology and reasoning in your last post. The Word is personified like Wisdom, and we know Wisdom is not an actual person so neither is the Word, are the kind of things we say. Most of you just avoid it due to the issues it creates with your theology.

 

[mikesw]

How about any English translations that uses the same words that you use? I never saw anyone in the Bible state anything about their beliefs that reflect what your beliefs are. Looks like you aren't the same religion as the one that Jesus taught about.

the problem is not the words. the problem is that the unitarians skip verses that show the preexistent One who becomes incarnate as Jesus. When obvious points are missed continually, i'm not sure how to continue a debate.

 

[mikesw]

You are using Unitarian style theology and reasoning in your last post. The Word is personified like Wisdom, and we know Wisdom is not an actual person so neither is the Word, are the kind of things we say. Most of you just avoid it due to the issues it creates with your theology.

You continue on uniformed, weak arguments. You forgot the transitional material of Philo and Greek Philosophy as the bridge between something just of wisdom, words, and ideas into a description of a conscious participant in creation. So I can just assume that you are desiring to demonstrate ignorance here. Maybe the key here is to note that words do not become incarnate. But you keep insisting that mere words somehow take on flesh. That is what the consistent unitarian must declare.

 

[Capbook]

I didn't mean that we had to start the WHOLE conversation OVER!!!

It seems you left out the 'plural intensive - singular meaning'.........

A "plural intensive" (or "plural of majesty") is a linguistic concept, primarily in Hebrew, where a noun uses a plural form (like a plural suffix) but refers to a single entity, emphasizing its greatness, majesty, or power, not its quantity. For example, the Hebrew word Elohim (God) is a plural form used to denote the singular, supreme God, conveying divine greatness rather than multiple gods, as it takes singular verbs and adjectives. -- AI

"God said" ---- said is singular therefore God is singular. That is how the Hebrew works ---- singular verbs, singular pronouns and singular adjectives ----- point to a singular subject.

Yes, and to quote Genesis 1:26, do you believe that God created all things through the Word?
I need to point out the presence of the Trinity as the usage of fist person plural pronoun "us and our" and need to identify Who make the speech for God. The Word was with God, and the Word was God, not stated as "the Word was the God" to imply it is God's speech in the creation week.

Thus the presence of the Spirit, the speech/logos and the Father in the whole Old Testament as the speech/logos became flesh only in the New Testament supported by John. (John 5:37)

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."