civic
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The Trinity made easy
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Runningman
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Kindly note that none of those "verses about the Trinity" say anything about the Trinity or that God is in three persons.
The Trinity is a doctrine and a doctrine is just a set of beliefs taught by the church. The actual Bible is Scripture. So we have doctrines in the church and then there is Scripture. Scripture is authoritative, church doctrines are not authoritative.
Long story short, none of those verses actually hold any water in a debate about the Trinity.
101G
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GINOLJC, are you kidding? the OT always pointed to the NT, that a bad excuse. you said, "1 Corinthians 3:15 is not about sin! ROFL It is about the writing of NT doctrine!", which none of those had knowledge of. which clearly states as the apostle Paul clearly states, " for whatsoever is not of faith is sin". and if an IGNORANT preacher makes a doctrine not known of God word and preached it to people it's a sin, because it's not of FAITH. LISTEN, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" if one's "Doctrine" is in error, then it's not of God, meaning it's not of FAITH.
see above..... (smile)
and as for 101G having a lot to learn, ..... scripture for YOU. Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
and thanks for the reply.
101G.
The bible tells mankind that God is more than just the father and includes the Holy Spirit and Jesus.
charismaticlady
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CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT! The "work" is not sin! And not even our anything. It is teachings, doctrines to build the church. Read in context. False teachers with doctrines of men, not God. The church is full of them for the past 1,900 years!. Catholics pray to Mary. Where is that in the Bible. But the Reformation produced the worst doctrines and Jesus said to them, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are DEAD." Those are doctrines if believed and acted on leads their followers to hell.
4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
101G
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it's the manifestation of the sin.....call iniquity, hello. and that's CONTEXT
101G.
Runningman
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How about in these verses?
John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
charismaticlady
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What verse talks of iniquity here? I showed you it is about workers and their work. Like Paul's work - his letters telling of his doctrine, and that of Apollos, and church fathers down the ages. Your CONTEXT of sin is nonexistent.
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101G
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Hold it... do you know the difference between sin and iniquity? if not just ask.
101G.
charismaticlady
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I do but what does it matter, we are off topic. Why not start your own post?
Talk to you later, brother.
dwight92070
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Matthew 28:18 Jesus said, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
So what authority does God have in heaven or earth?
So what authority does God have in heaven or earth?
atpollard
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Ohh ... Ohhhh .... I know. Pick me!
Pick me!
"ALL AUTHORITY! Jesus has ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth." - that makes him ... like GOD, right?
Pancho Frijoles
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Does God need someone else to give Him authority?
Any person who receives authority cannot be, by definition, God.
Peterlag
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God does not need someone or something to give Him authority. But He does delegate authority such as
Part of Matthew 28:18 that says...
All power [delegated authority, implies the ability to make power felt. E.W. Bullinger] is given unto Christ in heaven and in earth.
360watt
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Once again you are mistaking the communication in the Trinity with seperate beings. They aren't seperate beings in the Trinity. One being..expressed in three persons.
Equal.. eternal.. all powerful.
Pancho Frijoles
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Hi, my friend
If you review my post, I am talking about persons.
A person who receives authority from someone else cannot be, by definition, God.
You believe that Jesus Christ is a Person, and that the Father is another Person. Right?
Well, the Person we call Jesus Christ receives authority from the Person we call The Father.
In contrast, the Person we call The Father does not receive authority from any other person.
Therefore, the Only and True God is The Person we call The Father.
Incorrect, because the Son became man and chose not to exercise His authority.
The fact that He (right now) has total authority over the universe demonstrates He is God (Matthew 28:18).
Pancho Frijoles
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Do you believe that Jesus is one person, or two persons?
If He is One Person, then that single Person did receive authority from God, and therefore cannot be God.
God will submit everything under Christ's feet except for God Himself. Do you wonder why is that exception?
Jesus will then deliver the kingdom to God, and subject himself to God. Do you wonder why he will submit himself to God?
"For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all." (1 Cor 15:27-29)
Finally, how a person who is God can call anyone else "My God", as Jesus does four times in his exalted state in the Book of Revelation?
If Jesus calls someone else "My God", it is because Jesus worships Him and submits to Him.
Jesus doesn't only call God "My Father". He also calls Him "My God". The first title speaks about unity in love... about obedience, like the obedience a son has for his father. The second title, however, speaks about total surrender. Jesus is another worshiper of God, just as you and me.
The God of Israel is our Father and God in the same sense that God of Israel is Jesus' Father and God. In this sense, we are Jesus' brethren.
"Go to My brethren and say to them‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ” (John 20:17)
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That's your rejection of the fact that God is more than 1 Person.
Try not dodging Matthew 28:18 next time.
Jesus (right now) has total authority over the universe which demonstrates He is God (Matthew 28:18).
Only one greater can give that authority to another.=YHVH(Jehovah) the Father= the only true God.
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