Jesus's works

[Alter2Ego]

Really? Jesus has to get authority from Jehovah the Father and at the same time Jesus and Jehovah have the same power? Notice the scripture below in Jesus' own words:

John 14:28​

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am."


Tell us, 360watt, when Jesus said the Father is greater than he, does that indicate that Jesus and Jehovah his heavenly father having the same power?

For the umpteenth time... when Jesus said the Father is greater.. He then ascended not long after, in the same position as the Father.

The difference was temporary.

If I say the president is greater than me, he is not a superior being..but in a greater position.

Jesus was in the flesh, the Father in heaven, Jesus was 'self limiting ' then.. ascended, unlimited..in full power.

Scripture, please. I'm not interested in your personal philosophy, 360watt.

 

[Alter2Ego]

For the umpteenth time... when Jesus said the Father is greater.. He then ascended not long after, in the same position as the Father.

The difference was temporary.

If I say the president is greater than me, he is not a superior being..but in a greater position.

Jesus was in the flesh, the Father in heaven, Jesus was 'self limiting ' then.. ascended, unlimited..in full power.

360watt:

There are no scriptures in the Bible that indicate Jesus had the same power as Jehovah the Father after Jesus returned to heaven. If there were, you would have quoted it by now.

Let me ask you a question: In religion, when one has a god, one worships that god; right?

 

[Alter2Ego]

Really? Jesus has to get authority from Jehovah the Father and at the same time Jesus and Jehovah have the same power? Notice the scripture below in Jesus' own words:

John 14:28​

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am."


Tell us, 360watt, when Jesus said the Father is greater than he, does that indicate that Jesus and Jehovah his heavenly father having the same power?

From gotquestions.org:

John 14:28 is often taken out of context to allege that Jesus is not God: “If Jesus is God,” the critics say, “how is the Father greater than He?” The apostle John, however, insists that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 18; 5:16–18; 10:30; 20:28). John also insists that Jesus was obedient to His Father (John 4:34; 5:19–30; 8:29; 12:48–49). How do we resolve this perceived difficulty? Arians deny that Jesus is fully God, while Gnostics deny that Jesus is fully human. Both positions are unacceptable. Jesus is fully God and fully man. What, then, does Jesus mean when He says, “The Father is greater than I”?

First, the doctrine of the incarnation teaches that Jesus “emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:7–8, ESV). Thus, “for a little while” (Hebrews 2:9), the Father was greater in glory and exaltation. The Father was greater in that He was not subject to pain and illness and death—the Son was. The Father was greater in that He did not live in weariness and poverty and humiliation—the Son did. The “greatness” spoken of in this verse relates to role, not to essence.

Second, the doctrine of eternal Sonship teaches that the Father begat the Son. This is a difficult doctrine to grasp, but the Bible repeatedly affirms that Jesus had no beginning (John 1:1; 17:5). In other words, there was never a time when Jesus was not. To claim otherwise is to fall into the heresy of Arianism.

Jesus has always existed: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:1–3, ESV).

360watt:

The owner of gotquestions.org, Michael Houdmann, is a Trinitarian. As such, Houdmann has no credibility where the topic of Christendom's Trinity is concerned.

History of GotQuestions.org

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www.gotquestions.org

 

[360watt]

360watt:

The owner of gotquestions.org, Michael Houdmann, is a Trinitarian. As such, Houdmann has no credibility where the topic of Christendom's Trinity is concerned.

History of GotQuestions.org

What is the history of GotQuestions.org? When did GotQuestions.org start? How has GotQuestions.org grown in its history?

www.gotquestions.org

That makes no sense. Are you saying, you need a non trinitarian to define the trinity?

 

[Alter2Ego]

360watt:

The owner of gotquestions.org, Michael Houdmann, is a Trinitarian. As such, Houdmann has no credibility where the topic of Christendom's Trinity is concerned.

History of GotQuestions.org

What is the history of GotQuestions.org? When did GotQuestions.org start? How has GotQuestions.org grown in its history?

www.gotquestions.org

That makes no sense. Are you saying, you need a non trinitarian to define the trinity?

360watt:

What are you talking about? You expect "a non trinitarian" to define a fairytale that has already been defined by the pagans within Christendom, lying through their teeth and claiming they are Christians? Below is Christendom's official definition of its 3-in-1 god.

"There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker and preserver of all things both visible and indivisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three persons, of ONE substance, power, and ETERNITY; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

Article I: Of faith in the Holy Trinity

This post is part of a Lenten series on the 39 Articles. Article I: Of faith in the Holy Trinity There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite pow…

www.sevenwholedays.org

Take a careful look at the words that I bolded in red, then notice the word "eternity." According to Christendom's definition of its 3-prong god, all three of the "persons" within the Trinity are eternal. That's lie #1. Scripture makes it abundantly clear that Jesus (the son) is NOT eternal. Don't believe me? Go online and look up the definition of the word "eternal" in any common English dictionary.

 

[360watt]

360watt:

What are you talking about? You expect "a non trinitarian" to define a fairytale that has already been defined by the pagans within Christendom, lying through their teeth and claiming they are Christians? Below is Christendom's official definition of its 3-in-1 god.

"There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker and preserver of all things both visible and indivisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three persons, of ONE substance, power, and ETERNITY; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

Article I: Of faith in the Holy Trinity

This post is part of a Lenten series on the 39 Articles. Article I: Of faith in the Holy Trinity There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite pow…

www.sevenwholedays.org

Take a careful look at the words that I bolded in red, then notice the word "eternity." According to Christendom's definition of its 3-prong god, all three of the "persons" within the Trinity are eternal. That's lie #1. Scripture makes it abundantly clear that Jesus (the son) is NOT eternal. Don't believe me? Go online and look up the definition of the word "eternal" in any common English dictionary.

The Son is begotten in the sense of unique one.. receiver of inheritance.. rather than born out of, not existing before birth.

Jesus is the Word, that was with the Father and the Spirit, as the one Triune Being, in the beginning, before creation..and involved in creation. See John 1. And

Colossians 1:14-17 KJV - 4 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist