The Trinity made easy

[Lily]

The Trinity has never been a problem for me. It's not that complicated and it makes perfectly good sense. One God with three distinct persons that each have their own role. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each one has unique functions.

 

[Rowan]

The Trinity has never been a problem for me. It's not that complicated and it makes perfectly good sense. One God with three distinct persons that each have their own role. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each one has unique functions.

I agree, The Trinity is not that hard to understand neither is it hard to explain.

 

[101G]

The Trinity has never been a problem for me. It's not that complicated and it makes perfectly good sense. One God with three distinct persons that each have their own role. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each one has unique functions.

GINOLJC,
if they have their "own" roles is that not Modalism of the ONE God in three persons?

101G.

 

[synergy]

The Bible does say that the Son is the Father (Is. 9:6, John 1:1)

"the Word was with God" denotes 2 Persons.

the Father is the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is the Son. (2 Corinthians 3:17)

The Holy Spirit possesses the name "Lord" just as God the Son and God the Father also possess the same name "Lord".

 

[Aeliana]

GINOLJC,
if they have their "own" roles is that not Modalism of the ONE God in three persons?

101G.

God is one absolutely perfect divine Being in three Persons. His being is what God is, in relation to the universe he created. The three are called Persons because they relate to one another in personal ways.

When Christians talk about believing in one God in three Persons (the Trinity), they do NOT mean:
1 God in 3 Gods, or
3 Persons in 1 Person, or
3 Persons in 3 Gods, or
1 Person in 3 Gods

Rather, they DO mean:
1 God in 3 Persons
Therefore,
The Father is God—the first Person of the Trinity.
The Son is God—the second Person of the Trinity.
The Holy Spirit is God—the third Person of the Trinity. (The title “Holy Ghost” is an older English expression for “Holy Spirit.” Each is an acceptable translation of the phrase in the Bible.)

The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, yet all three Persons are called God.

 

[101G]

"the Word was with God" denotes 2 Persons.

ERROR.... let the BIBLE, God Holy Word, teach you. listen and Learn from the Holy Spirit. supportive scripture.
The term "FIRST" .... and ....."LAST". two separate and distinct persons or ONE person.
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD, whom you call the Father is the First .... correct, according to the scripture above. and please note he the First is "WITH" the Last, correct,

Now the Revelation.

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." note: also means, "in addition; too:". and the Last here is the "LAST" adam, the Lord Jesus/ so the LORD, the Father in addition too being the FIRST, he the LORD the Father is also the LAST. ONE PERSON. now .... is not the Lord Jesus the First and the Last......yes, just read the book of Revelation. after you read that book read John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." well now, if the WORD was "WITH" GOD ..... and knowing what Isaiah above said about the First and the Last. did not John 1:1 answered that question? for not only was the WORD was "WITH" God but was God. lets see it. John 1:1c "and the Word was God." BINGO, the Word and God is the same one PERSON. which proves verse 3.

John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." all things was made by the WORD, who is the Son here in John 1:3. well let's check the record. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

well, well, well, the Word, the Son of John 1:3 said "he MADE ALL THINGS". and the LORD, the Father "MADE ALL THINGS". yes, the same one Person.

101G.

 

[101G]

God is one absolutely perfect divine Being in three Persons. His being is what God is, in relation to the universe he created. The three are called Persons because they relate to one another in personal ways.

When Christians talk about believing in one God in three Persons (the Trinity), they do NOT mean:
1 God in 3 Gods, or
3 Persons in 1 Person, or
3 Persons in 3 Gods, or
1 Person in 3 Gods

Rather, they DO mean:
1 God in 3 Persons
Therefore,
The Father is God—the first Person of the Trinity.
The Son is God—the second Person of the Trinity.
The Holy Spirit is God—the third Person of the Trinity. (The title “Holy Ghost” is an older English expression for “Holy Spirit.” Each is an acceptable translation of the phrase in the Bible.)

The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God, yet all three Persons are called God.

First thanks for the reply. but see my response above, post #326. so my question to You is this, "is the one person in John 1:3 is the same ONE PERSON who "MADE ALL THINGS" in Isaiah 44:24? your answer please YES, or NO.

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

You can choose your own Yes or No.

John 1:3 states that "in the beginning was the Word," which means that before there was any created matter, there was the Word, the Son of God.0 This verse introduces a further proof that the Word or the Son of God is deity. The Word proved His deity by His work of creation, setting forth both the act of creation and the state of creation. The words "were made" indicate that John moved to the subject of creation to prove the deity of Christ.3 The Word of God is the living and active agent of God, which existed before creation and was the means by which God created.1 He is not just like a person, but is a person - not just 'it' but 'he'. Jesus is the Beginning and End, both the author of and ruler over creation.

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer
These are the words of the Son of God, of Christ, the Redeemer of his people; and the following show him to be the mighty God, and so able to redeem them, and therefore was appointed to this work, and undertook it: and he that formed thee from the womb;
that formed thee in it, and brought thee out of it, separated thee from it, and called thee by his grace: I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that made all things out of nothing at first; for without Christ was not anything made that was made; all things in heaven, and earth, and sea, were made by him; and he continues all creatures in their being, and provides for them, and governs all by his power; he works hitherto, and continues working with his divine Father, ( John 1:1-3 ) ( 5:17 ) : that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the
earth by myself;
"not to the exclusion of the Father and the Holy Spirit", but of all creatures, angels and men; of himself, and by his own strength and power, and, without the help of these, he stretched out the vast space of the heavens as a curtain, and spread out the earth in its length and breadth, and the large surface of it, to that great circumference which it has; a full proof of his proper deity! A man cannot stretch out a curtain, or piece of tapestry, of any size, without the help of another; and much less can a creature stretch out the heavens and the earth.

 

[101G]

ohn 1:3 states that "in the beginning was the Word," which means that before there was any created matter, there was the Word, the Son of God.0 This verse introduces a further proof that the Word or the Son of God is deity. The Word proved His deity by His work of creation, setting forth both the act of creation and the state of creation. The words "were made" indicate that John moved to the subject of creation to prove the deity of Christ.3 The Word of God is the living and active agent of God, which existed before creation and was the means by which God created.1 He is not just like a person, but is a person - not just 'it' but 'he'. Jesus is the Beginning and End, both the author of and ruler over creation.

was not God alone and by, by, by, himself when he created and MADE ALL THINGS? yes. so what do this tells us? that there was no other person present. so that eliminate any second, or third person. please understand this is not 101G saying... no, this is BIBLE. listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
the term "alone" means, "having no one else present". that term "ALONE" by itself just killed any trinity.

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

was not God alone and by, by, by, himself when he created and MADE ALL THINGS? yes. so what do this tells us? that there was no other person present. so that eliminate any second, or third person. please understand this is not 101G saying... no, this is BIBLE. listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
the term "alone" means, "having no one else present". that term "ALONE" by itself just killed any trinity.

101G.

God=Father,Son,Holy Spirit, "ONE". 3in1 Trinity is alive and well!

 

[Alive]

The first principle of the doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one, true, eternal, living Being who is God by nature and Maker of heaven and earth. The doctrine of the Trinity is thus a rigorous form of monotheism and is absolutely hostile to polytheism in any form.
Trinitarians do not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate gods. Such an idea is tritheism which is a form of polytheism. Neither do Trinitarians believe that angels or men have been or will ever be God by nature.
If these Trinitarian beliefs are true then what would we expect to find in the Bible?

1. We would expect to find in the Bible where God Himself says that He alone is God and that the gods of other religions are false gods.
2. We would expect to find in the Bible where prophets, priests, kings, and apostles state that there is only one God and the gods of other religions are false gods.

When we turn to the Bible, what do we find?


Only One God

God dogmatically stated on many occasions that He alone is God and that there were no other gods before Him; there are no gods besides Him now; and there will be no new ones in the future:

“See now that I, I am He, and there is no god besides Me. It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded, and it is I who heal; And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.” (Deut. 32:39)

“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and My servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He, before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me.” (Isa. 43:10)

Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.” (Isa. 44:6)

“And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” (Isa. 44:8b)

“I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God.… That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun that there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other …” (Isa. 45:5–6)

“I am the LORD and there is none else.” (Isa. 45:18b)

“Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me. Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.” (Isa. 45:21–22)

“Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me.” (Isa. 46:9)

It is crystal clear from the passages above that God Himself states in unequivocal terms that there are no other gods before Him, besides Him or yet to be in the future. This is exactly what Trinitarians expected to find in the Bible. Thus, it is no surprise to find that prophets, priests, kings, and apostles taught exactly the same thing.

“For this reason Thou art great, O Lord God; for there is none like Thee, and there is no God besides Thee.” (2 Sam. 7:22)

“so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no one else.” (1 Kings 8:60)

“O LORD, there is none like Thee, neither is there any God besides Thee.” (1 Chron. 17:20)

“Thou art the God, Thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Isa. 37:16)

“Sabeans … will make supplication to you: ‘Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, no other God.’ ” (Isa. 45:14)

There is none like Thee, O LORD. (Jer. 10:6)

There is none like Thee. (Jer. 10:7)

Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God. (1 Cor. 8:4–6)

There is one God. (1 Tim. 2:5)

The evidence is so overwhelming that even the demons understand that there is only one God (James 2:19). Yet, such cults as the Mormons teach that there are actually billions of gods and that they themselves will become gods and goddesses.



Robert A. Morey, The Trinity: Evidence and Issues

 

[101G]

God=Father,Son,Holy Spirit, "ONE". 3in1 Trinity is alive and well!

ERROR, you do believe the Lord Jesus who cannot LIE ..... correct?. if the Lord Jesus say GOD is a he, then there is no trinity, else the Lord Jesus lied, (God forbid). supportive scripture, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
here " he " is God. how do 101G know this? let the bible speak. for our brother Mark record the same conversation. LISTEN and LEARN. Mark 10:4 "And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away." Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

well now, the term "GOD" here is the "he" in Matthew 19:4 who made man in the beginning male and female.

so Aeliana, did the Lord Jesus lie when he said, "he/God" made man male and Female? yes or no.

now think very carefully before you answer.

101G.

 

[101G]

1. We would expect to find in the Bible where God Himself says that He alone is God and that the gods of other religions are false gods.

based on what you said, why say God is a "he" if the trinity say God is three person?

2. We would expect to find in the Bible where prophets, priests, kings, and apostles state that there is only one God and the gods of other religions are false gods.

so where do the bible say there are three .... PERSON who is God?

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

ERROR, you do believe the Lord Jesus who cannot LIE ..... correct?. if the Lord Jesus say GOD is a he, then there is no trinity, else the Lord Jesus lied, (God forbid). supportive scripture, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
here " he " is God. how do 101G know this? let the bible speak. for our brother Mark record the same conversation. LISTEN and LEARN. Mark 10:4 "And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away." Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

well now, the term "GOD" here is the "he" in Matthew 19:4 who made man in the beginning male and female.

so Aeliana, did the Lord Jesus lie when he said, "he/God" made man male and Female? yes or no.

now think very carefully before you answer.

101G.

We
Trinitarians believe that while there is only one God, numerically speaking, yet, within this one God, there exists more than one person, ego, intellect or self. This is the fundamental principle underlying the doctrine of the Trinity. Thus it does not make much sense to discuss If they are male or female.

 

[Alive]

based on what you said, why say God is a "he" if the trinity say God is three person?

so where do the bible say there are three .... PERSON who is God?

101G.

Try Genesis 1:1

It Refers to God as “Them.” But this would be exactly what a Trinitarian would expect to find in the Bible.

Since God is multi-personal, then we would expect to find God saying, “We,” “Us,” or “Our” as well as “I,” “Myself,” or “Me” because God is One and Three at the same time. The doctrine of the Trinity requires the plural as well as the singular.

Did the authors of the Bible use plural words for God? Yes, they most certainly did. The plural form of אֵל is אֱלֹהִים, which is the most frequently used word for “God” in the Bible.

IN THE beginning God (אֵל is אֱלֹהִים) created the heavens and the earth.
Gen. 1:1

 

[101G]

We

is this a we of ONE as in Ordinal designations, (smile), as in the ECHAD........ BINGO.

Trinitarians believe that while there is only one God, numerically speaking

ERROR, is not a Numerical Difference of the same sort? as in a Ordinal designation as in FIRTS and LAST? yes. for the First and the Last is the same one Person. LISTEN and LEARN.
The term "FIRST" .... and ....."LAST"
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this two persons? the First "WITH" the Last?

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." the First ... "AND" .... the Last? .... two person? let's see.

Now the Revelation.

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

and you do know what "ALSO" mean. "in addition; too".... (smile)..... case closed. it the same one PERSON, who is "WITH" and "ALSO" his ... OWNSELF.

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

Try Genesis 1:1

It Refers to God as “Them.” But this would be exactly what a Trinitarian would expect to find in the Bible.

Since God is multi-personal, then we would expect to find God saying, “We,” “Us,” or “Our” as well as “I,” “Myself,” or “Me” because God is One and Three at the same time. The doctrine of the Trinity requires the plural as well as the singular.

Did the authors of the Bible use plural words for God? Yes, they most certainly did. The plural form of אֵל is אֱלֹהִים, which is the most frequently used word for “God” in the Bible.

IN THE beginning God (אֵל is אֱלֹהִים) created the heavens and the earth.
Gen. 1:1

Great post. I agree and would like to add this to it.

What about plural pronouns? Does God ever speak in the first person plural by using such terms as “Us,” “We,” and “Our?” If the authors of the Bible were Unitarian in belief, then we would not expect to find God speaking in the plural. But if Trinitarianism is true, then that is exactly what we would expect to find in the Bible.

I think the evidence is clear that plural pronouns are used in reference to God in the Bible as the following passages show:

Then God said, “Let Us make man Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:26–27

 

[Aeliana]

is this a we of ONE as in Ordinal designations, (smile), as in the ECHAD........ BINGO.

ERROR, is not a Numerical Difference of the same sort? as in a Ordinal designation as in FIRTS and LAST? yes. for the First and the Last is the same one Person. LISTEN and LEARN.
The term "FIRST" .... and ....."LAST"
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this two persons? the First "WITH" the Last?

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." the First ... "AND" .... the Last? .... two person? let's see.

Now the Revelation.

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

and you do know what "ALSO" mean. "in addition; too".... (smile)..... case closed. it the same one PERSON, who is "WITH" and "ALSO" his ... OWNSELF.

101G.

Yes case closed and the Trinity triumphs once again.

 

[101G]

Try Genesis 1:1

It Refers to God as “Them.” But this would be exactly what a Trinitarian would expect to find in the Bible.

yes, lets try Genesis 1:1..... Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
first the term God. 101G is using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

note [plural of H433] did you get that? plural "OF", "OF", not from, but "OF", H433. so who is H433, let's see.
H433: אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426

now is not
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural] the FIRST DEFINITION OF "GOD", so why PLURAL? because he H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. is "OF" H433: אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. NOT FROM, BUT "OF" H433: אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.

well the million-dollar question HOW IS "H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m the PLURAL of H433: אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m the answer is in the TERM "BRGINNING".
Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

note definition #1. the first, in place, time, order or rank. the FIRST? yes, the LORD/Father. the Ordinal First. and is not the Lord Jesus the Last, as said before, see 1 Corinthians 15:45. and did not Isaiah say the First and the Last is the same one Person? let's see. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, the same one person.

I just Love Genesis 1:1. as the old saying say. get it right in the beginning, one will end up right. yes, that word "beginning" in Genesis 1:1 was the answer to God as ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[101G]

Great post. I agree and would like to add this to it.

see above.

Since God is multi-personal, then we would expect to find God saying, “We,” “Us,” or “Our” as well as “I,” “Myself,” or “Me” because God is One and Three at the same time. The doctrine of the Trinity requires the plural as well as the singular.

Did the authors of the Bible use plural words for God? Yes, they most certainly did. The plural form of אֵל is אֱלֹהִים, which is the most frequently used word for “God” in the Bible.

IN THE beginning God (אֵל is אֱלֹהִים) created the heavens and the earth.
Gen. 1:1

read Genesis 1:27, and what are pronouns used there. so please explain how God is a US and a WE in verse 26, and in the very next verse states, "he" and "him". please explain....... (smile). 101G has... again see post #339 above....

yes, case closed on the false trinity doctrine.


101G.