The Trinity lacks any Biblical support

[Runningman]

that is why the angel of the Lord is Yahweh of the Trinity. You are denying the testimony of scripture in order to support your belief system. I'm not sure how you can read it differently that the Angel being both distinct and the same as God in that passage.

It's very hard to take your arguments seriously when your premise is directly contradicted by Scripture.

The angel refuses being worshipped because the angel isn't God. I guess you'll claim "that's a different angel" but there is no way to tell which unnamed angel is which in the Bible. So that's not a good point.

Revelation 22
8And I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. 9But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

 

[mikesw]

It's very hard to take your arguments seriously when your premise is directly contradicted by Scripture.

The angel refuses being worshipped because the angel isn't God. I guess you'll claim "that's a different angel" but there is no way to tell which unnamed angel is which in the Bible. So that's not a good point.

Revelation 22
8And I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. 9But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

you really got lost. you cannot keep passages or topics sorted out. I see what makes you a unitarian. you make the error of assuming two verses on totally different topics actually relate to each other based on one word.

If it ever could have been in doubt the essence of the Angel of the Lord, it is repeated 3 or 4 times of being the Lord. You chose the wrong verses to argue for a unitarian interpretation.

Heb 12:3-6
In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God. Yes, he wrestled with the angel and prevailed; He wept and sought His favor. He found Him at Bethel And there He spoke with us, Even the LORD, the God of hosts, The LORD is His name. Therefore, return to your God, Observe kindness and justice, And wait for your God continually.

So there are 5 affirmations that this Angel is God. The physicality is expressed sense the Father never is physical, as much as I can recall.

 

[Capbook]

Scripture teaches Jacob wrestled with an angel, not God Almighty. Unless you're trying to be funny and claim God lost a wrestling match with a human,.

Hosea 12
3In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel,
and in his vigor he wrestled with God.
4Yes, he struggled with the angel and prevailed;
he wept and sought His favor;
he found Him at Bethel
and spoke with Him there —

Don't try to be funny Runningman, Jacob's name was change to Israel and what "Israel" means?
Bible lexicon described "Israel" bears Strong#H3478 in Hebrew "ישׂראל yiśrâ'êl" as - "God prevails."
Does your lexicon say that "Israel" is "angel prevails" Runningman?

Gen 32:28 R1He saidH559, "Your nameH8034 shall noH3808 longerH5750 be JacobH3290, but N1IsraelH3478; for you have strivenH8280 with GodH430 and with menH376 and have prevailedH3201.

H3478
ישׂראל yiśrâ'êl
BDB Definition:
Israel = “God prevails”
1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel

 

[Runningman]

Don't try to be funny Runningman, Jacob's name was change to Israel and what "Israel" means?
Bible lexicon described "Israel" bears Strong#H3478 in Hebrew "ישׂראל yiśrâ'êl" as - "God prevails."
Does your lexicon say that "Israel" is "angel prevails" Runningman?

Gen 32:28 R1He saidH559, "Your nameH8034 shall noH3808 longerH5750 be JacobH3290, but N1IsraelH3478; for you have strivenH8280 with GodH430 and with menH376 and have prevailedH3201.

H3478
ישׂראל yiśrâ'êl
BDB Definition:
Israel = “God prevails”
1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel

How is the definition of his name relevant? You aren't saying that Jacob is God are you?

 

[Capbook]

How is the definition of his name relevant? You aren't saying that Jacob is God are you?

Very relevant Runningman, because Jacob said he'd seen God face to face but not the Father as no one will see the Father and live.
As "Elohim" is plural, I believe the other one in the nature of Elohim, Jesus. "Let Us make man in Our image.(Gen 1:16)
Who do you think another true Elohim creator we are discussing to Runningman?

 

[Runningman]

Very relevant Runningman, because Jacob said he'd seen God face to face but not the Father as no one will see the Father and live.
As "Elohim" is plural, I believe the other one in the nature of Elohim, Jesus.
Who do you think another true Elohim we are discussing to?

I already had something prepared that I think you can benefit from since I was just talking about this very same subject.

Scripture explicitly states no one has ever seen God (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12) and Scripture cannot be broken. Therefore the "seeing God" statements cannot mean they saw YHWH's real face without direct contradiction of the Bible. That's because there are two different types of "seeing" in the Bible.

Exodus 33:11 says Moses speak with God "face to face" but then God says "you cannot see My face" in Exodus 33:20. There can also be figures of speech introduced to avoid contradiction. "Face to face" is just a figure of speech for direct communication. How do I know? Because in Deuteronomy 5:4 says "LORD spoke with you face to face out of the fire" yet Deuteronomy 4:12 says "And the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of the words but saw no form; there was only a voice." Make sense now?

 

[Capbook]

I already had something prepared that I think you can benefit from since I was just talking about this very same subject.

Scripture explicitly states no one has ever seen God (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12) and Scripture cannot be broken. Therefore the "seeing God" statements cannot mean they saw YHWH's real face without direct contradiction of the Bible. That's because there are two different types of "seeing" in the Bible.

Exodus 33:11 says Moses speak with God "face to face" but then God says "you cannot see My face" in Exodus 33:20. There can also be figures of speech introduced to avoid contradiction. "Face to face" is just a figure of speech for direct communication. How do I know? Because in Deuteronomy 5:4 says "LORD spoke with you face to face out of the fire" yet Deuteronomy 4:12 says "And the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of the words but saw no form; there was only a voice." Make sense now?

Firstly Runningman, do you believe Jesus was wrong when He said the text below?

Joh 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.