The New Covenant

[jeremiah1five]

You still trusting in the flesh, thats the best you can do apparently

Sure, that's because God created flesh for His glory.
Spiritual Olive tree Israel would not be spiritual unless they were first flesh and Hebrew.
The Lord's redemption of Israel under the Law is given to them as part of God's progression towards the New Covenant which is between God and the House of Israel and Judah.
All twelve tribes.

 

[brightfame52]

Sure, that's because God created flesh for His glory.
Spiritual Olive tree Israel would not be spiritual unless they were first flesh and Hebrew.
The Lord's redemption of Israel under the Law is given to them as part of God's progression towards the New Covenant which is between God and the House of Israel and Judah.
All twelve tribes.

You still trusting in the flesh, thats the best you can do apparently

 

[jeremiah1five]

You still trusting in the flesh, thats the best you can do apparently

Thanks.

 

[brightfame52]

Thanks.

You are most welcome, anytime

 

[FreeInChrist]

@jeremiah1five

Hebrews 8:12
“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TOWARD THEIR WRONGDOINGS, AND THEIR SINS I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.”

8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

READ THE BOOK I wont copy it all to here.

 

[jeremiah1five]

@jeremiah1five

Hebrews 8:12
“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TOWARD THEIR WRONGDOINGS, AND THEIR SINS I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.”

8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

READ THE BOOK I wont copy it all to here.

I know it and I read your passages.
What are you trying to say?

The "book" of Hebrews as the name states is to the Hebrews (people) - NOT Gentiles.

One Jew is writing to other Jews and Jewish Christians. In these passages the author is discussing the New Covenant, which as a Jew would know of the writings of their prophet Jeremiah is Jeremiah's prophecies to Israel.
The initiation of the New Covenant does not replace the Mosaic Covenant which to those who understand the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ. Christ fulfilled every aspect of the Mosaic Covenant and God's Law within His Person.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17–19.

Jesus clearly states the Mosaic Covenant Law has not passed away for all things have not been fulfilled. All things would include all things other than the Mosaic Covenant Law, such as the Abrahamic Promises, the prophecies of the prophets of Israel, even Jesus' own words who was also a Prophet of God. He prophesied about His return and we know this hasn't happened because He has not returned Personally - even the new words of the "men in white apparel in Acts 1:11. This has been partially fulfilled by the advent/coming of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL by the prophet Joel. And if one is going to be biblically correct while Christ did return - once Jesus had departed because He (Jesus) said that He could not send the Comforter (the Spirit of Promise) until He (Jesus) had departed. Jesus (Yeshua) is the Name of Israel's Messiah whom the angel Gabriel told Mary what to name her unborn child because the Name of Her unborn Son means "Yahweh is salvation" and He wes sent to save "His people" (the Jews) from their sins.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luke 1:31.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21.

And no, Jesus did not impart the Holy Spirit of Promise upon His disciples when He breathed on them. Jesus said He couldn't "send" the ("another" = "allos") Comforter unto Israel until He had departed. But once Jesus did depart it was a matter of ten days from ascension until Christ/"Anointing"/Spirit had been sent which was recorded in Acts 2. Peter makes this clear as to what the commotion was about in the upper room that spilled out into the streets and Peter "stood up" and responded to those Jews who accused the disciples of being drunk on this holy day, the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost.)

At Jesus' last Passover before His crucifixion, He initiated a New Covenant in His blood in fulfillment of the Law of Moses, which if you are honest with Scripture, Jesus substituted Himself with the lamb that was slain yearly to atone for the sins of the children of Israel - and true to the Law of Moses Jesus was slain by God in place of the paschal lamb to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel. Any claim that Jesus death was to atone the sins of the non-Hebrew Gentiles has violated what the Law says about the meaning and purpose of the lamb sacrifice under the Law, that never did the high priest - nor did God ever command - that non-Hebrew Gentiles were covered by the sacrifice of the animals on the altar under the Law. The New Covenant in His blood (Jesus) may have been initiated by Jesus at the last Passover on Israel's most holy day, but it was not realized until the Holy Spirit that was promised to Israel had come down from heaven as recorded in Acts two in which eleven disciples were filled by that same Spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead/grave. Thus, everything the disciples did in this ten-day window from ascension to the day of the Feast of Harvest they did without command or guidance from the Spirit and from God and were "in the flesh" when Peter led them to choose a replacement for Judas.

Many would think that Peter was choosing a replacement for Judas to fulfill his office as apostle but I disagree. I tend to believe Peter and the other ten were choosing a treasurer to "hold the bag" and not an apostle. Either way, Peter was disobedient to the Lord who commanded the eleven to return to Jerusalem and tarry ("wait") for they were "endued by power from on high" referring to the Holy Spirit. They were disobedient and they operated "in the flesh" leaning upon their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.

 

[FreeInChrist]

@jeremiah1five

Hebrews 8:12
“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TOWARD THEIR WRONGDOINGS, AND THEIR SINS I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.”

8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

READ THE BOOK I wont copy it all to here.

I know it and I read your passages.
What are you trying to say?

The "book" of Hebrews as the name states is to the Hebrews (people) - NOT Gentiles.

You keep telling us there is no covenant. No new covenant that would cover Gentiles.
You are wrong and Hebrews points that out.
BELIEVE ME, I KNOW YOU WILL NOT AGREE OR SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE WRITTEN AND INCLUDED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...
The New Covenant is a transformative agreement that emphasizes grace, personal relationship, and internal change, marking a new era in God's interaction with humanity. It fulfills the promises of the Old Covenant while providing a more profound connection with God through Jesus Christ.


More the this is

• The New Covenant is initiated by Jesus through His sacrifice. At the Last Supper, He referred to the cup as "the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20).

The book of Hebrews is included in the New Testament because it was recognized by early church leaders as a profound and insightful text that reflects the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, despite its uncertain authorship. It addresses key themes such as the superiority of Christ and encourages believers to remain faithful amid persecution, which resonated with the early Christian community.

Apostolic Authority​

• The early church valued apostolic authority when determining which texts to include in the New Testament.
• Although the authorship of Hebrews is uncertain, it is believed to be connected to the teachings of the apostles.
• The letter is thought to have been written for Jewish Christians, emphasizing its relevance to the early church.

Theological Significance​

• Hebrews presents a profound analysis of the Mosaic Law in light of Jesus' sacrifice, arguing that the Old Testament sacrificial system is no longer effective.
• The text elevates Jesus as superior to angels, Moses, and the priesthood, making a strong case for his role as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity.
• It addresses the challenges faced by early Christians, encouraging them to remain faithful despite persecution.

Historical Context​

• The letter was likely written to a community familiar with the Hebrew Scriptures, indicating its intended audience was knowledgeable about Jewish traditions.
• It reflects the internal debates of the early church regarding the relationship between Jewish law and the new covenant established by Jesus.

Enduring Impact​

• The eloquent Greek and intricate arguments in Hebrews have led scholars to regard it as one of the most sophisticated writings in the New Testament.
• Its themes of perseverance and faith continue to resonate with Christian teachings today, solidifying its place in the canon.

But while this is written to Jewish Christians,

and is about

• Hebrews presents a profound analysis of the Mosaic Law in light of Jesus' sacrifice, arguing that the Old Testament sacrificial system is no longer effective.
• The text elevates Jesus as superior to angels, Moses, and the priesthood, making a strong case for his role as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity.
• It addresses the challenges faced by early Christians, encouraging them to remain faithful despite persecution.

Again...

On what the NEW Covenant is in the book of Hebrews.

The New Covenant in the book of Hebrews refers to the agreement established by Jesus Christ, which offers a better relationship with God through complete forgiveness of sins and an internal desire to follow God's laws. It is seen as a fulfillment of the Old Covenant, emphasizing grace and a personal relationship with God for all believers

The New Covenant, as described in the book of Hebrews, represents a significant shift in the relationship between God and humanity. It is established through Jesus Christ and is fundamentally different from the Old Covenant made with Israel

Key Features of the New Covenant​

1.​

• The New Covenant is initiated by Jesus through His sacrifice. At the Last Supper, He referred to the cup as "the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20).

2. ​

• Unlike the Old Covenant, which relied on external laws, the New Covenant emphasizes an internal change. God promises to write His laws on the hearts of His people, fostering a genuine desire to obey Him (Jeremiah 31:33).

3. ​

• The New Covenant offers full and complete forgiveness of sins. Believers are assured that they are cleansed from all impurities (Ezekiel 36:25).

4. ​

• It establishes a direct relationship between God and individuals, where each person can know God personally (Jeremiah 31:34).

Comparison with the Old Covenant​

Basis	External laws and sacrifices	Internal transformation and grace
Mediator	Moses and Levitical priests	Jesus Christ as the High Priest
Forgiveness	Temporary atonement through sacrifices	Complete and permanent forgiveness
Relationship with God	National and communal	Personal and individual

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Attribute​

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Old Covenant​

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New Covenant​

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It happened from Jesus onward. We, Gentiles, are included.

You keep saying there was none in the NT. Well, here you go.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You keep telling us there is no covenant. No new covenant that would cover Gentiles.
You are wrong and Hebrews points that out.
BELIEVE ME, I KNOW YOU WILL NOT AGREE OR SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE WRITTEN AND INCLUDED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...
The New Covenant is a transformative agreement that emphasizes grace, personal relationship, and internal change, marking a new era in God's interaction with humanity. It fulfills the promises of the Old Covenant while providing a more profound connection with God through Jesus Christ.

It is not God's "transformative agreement that emphasizes grace, personal relationship, and internal change, marking a new era in God's interaction with humanity." It has nothing to do with humanity. It has to do with Israel and only Israel as the New Covenant prophecy of Jeremiah declares. The New Covenant is between God and the ten northern kingdom tribes of the House of Israel and the two southern kingdom tribes of the House of Judah. There is no mention of "humanity" in this covenant.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31.

You are adding to the Bible something that is not there in the text. And for it you come up with a false gospel, a false teaching.

More the this is

• The New Covenant is initiated by Jesus through His sacrifice. At the Last Supper, He referred to the cup as "the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20).

The book of Hebrews is included in the New Testament because it was recognized by early church leaders as a profound and insightful text that reflects the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, despite its uncertain authorship. It addresses key themes such as the superiority of Christ and encourages believers to remain faithful amid persecution, which resonated with the early Christian community.

Israel did not put together what is today called the New Testament. Gentiles did this, and without God's blessing or permission. Gentiles knew that the Hebrew Scripture was wholly Hebrew in language, people, religion, culture, covenant, and relationship with God and in order to emphasize the false teaching among Gentiles that elevated them as equals with Israel and their long relationship with the God of Abraham gathered copies of many gospels, letters by the several apostles of Jesus Christ, a prophecy of John, and other letters by lesser known Jewish Christians and yes, even some forgeries, and made a bible in order to force themselves into Israel's relationship with Yahweh, the National God of Israel, to give themselves validity while they re-interpret the gospels and letters they decided to be included in their Gentile bible to support their theft and replacement of Israel's heritage and their inheritance they had with the God of Abraham resulting a whole new religion onto the world that usurps Israel's relationship with their God while at the same time falsely supporting the Hebrew people's right to their God and passing it off as being part of Israel's covenants with God.

The Book of Hebrews is a treatise written by a Jewish Christian who has rightly understood the New Covenant era Israel found herself in with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL by one of their own prophets named Joel before the time of Judah's defeat, captivity, and exile by Babylon. This book contains many references to the Law, to Abraham, to the Patriarchs of Israel, their covenants, the rituals, the culture, and the understanding that helped Jewish Christianity which was an outgrowth of the Hebrew covenants with Jesus Christ being recognized as Israel's Promised Messiah, Lord, and King. One important and encouraging part of Hebrews is chapter 11 which is also called the "Hall of Faith." Nowhere in this list of men and women of the Hebrew peoples' past ever name one Gentile. This is wholly a Hebrew text and it accompanies nicely the things that was taking place among the Jews by the Holy Spirit of Promise who coming was prophesied by Hebrew prophets and promised by God to and for the Hebrew people.

Apostolic Authority​

• The early church valued apostolic authority when determining which texts to include in the New Testament.
• Although the authorship of Hebrews is uncertain, it is believed to be connected to the teachings of the apostles.
• The letter is thought to have been written for Jewish Christians, emphasizing its relevance to the early church.

The 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture is the final authority of God and the Hebrew people. It is a record of how all things began, how Abraham was chosen by God to be part of God's plan to have a people in relationship with Him and it records many important people and events that center on the Hebrew people and their journey from one man and one woman - both born from Eber - with whom God makes covenant with Abraham and these Scriptures chronicle his life and times and the future of the Hebrew people that would follow. The Hebrew Scripture contains the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and Psalms. It is a record of the preparation of Israel's Promised Redeemer and a history of the Hebrew people ending with their last prophet, Malachi, before Messiah's arrival. The Hebrew Scripture stands out alone as the authorized telling of God's relationship with the Hebrew people. While I accept the four gospels, the letters by the various apostles, and end time prophecy which is centered around Israel, they are still copies letters that the Jewish Church of the first century read, circulated among the churches, copied, read, and re-circulated among the churches they are still letters by various Jews and Jewish Christians who through study of the Hebrew Scripture were able to understand the New Covenant era Israel found herself in shortly after Jesus' ascension. The advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise sent to Israel once Jesus Christ arrived back with His Father was testified, discerned, witnessed, and discussed among themselves in the Jewish Church of the things God's Spirit was doing among the Jews. They are to be held up as an accurate interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures but to elevate them as equal to the Hebrew Scripture which was authorized by God to and for the Hebrew people is unauthorized by God. Nowhere in these writings is there any record or command by God to make a bible utilizing their letters and other personal communication.

Theological Significance​

• Hebrews presents a profound analysis of the Mosaic Law in light of Jesus' sacrifice, arguing that the Old Testament sacrificial system is no longer effective.
• The text elevates Jesus as superior to angels, Moses, and the priesthood, making a strong case for his role as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity.
• It addresses the challenges faced by early Christians, encouraging them to remain faithful despite persecution.

The book of Hebrews says nothing about God having any covenant with all of humanity or the Gentile world. It is a Hebrew text specifically written to the Hebrew people about Hebrew theological and religious business between the Hebrew people and the God of the universe.

Historical Context​

• The letter was likely written to a community familiar with the Hebrew Scriptures, indicating its intended audience was knowledgeable about Jewish traditions.
• It reflects the internal debates of the early church regarding the relationship between Jewish law and the new covenant established by Jesus.

The Jewish Law is the New Covenant God established with both Houses of Israel. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant Law of Moses fulfilled by Jesus Christ. While the New Covenant speaks of God forgiving the people of Israel it does not include the mechanism upon which forgiveness is based. The mechanism for God forgiving the sins of Israel is found in the Mosaic Covenant while Jesus was alive and while that Passover holy day was being celebrated by the Jews and by Jews visiting from their homes and synagogues in Gentile lands. Jesus died under the Law. He died a substitutionary sacrificial death for the sins of the children of Israel and not for Gentiles. Jesus died in accordance with the Mosaic Law. He did not destroy the Law and He did not change the Law. He obeyed it perfectly. And as the Law instructed animal sacrifice yearly for Israel's sins, God used the same covenant Law through which Jesus died, as with a animal being sacrificed, Jesus died in same fashion under the Law to redeem those who lived under the Law as Saul said in his Galatian letter:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ga 4:4–5.

Gentiles were never given God's Law. They were not under it, did not honor it, and for the most part, were enemies of the cross being that God used a Gentile instrument of death in order to sacrifice His Son for Israel's sins.

Enduring Impact​

• The eloquent Greek and intricate arguments in Hebrews have led scholars to regard it as one of the most sophisticated writings in the New Testament.
• Its themes of perseverance and faith continue to resonate with Christian teachings today, solidifying its place in the canon.

But while this is written to Jewish Christians,

and is about

• Hebrews presents a profound analysis of the Mosaic Law in light of Jesus' sacrifice, arguing that the Old Testament sacrificial system is no longer effective.
• The text elevates Jesus as superior to angels, Moses, and the priesthood, making a strong case for his role as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity.
• It addresses the challenges faced by early Christians, encouraging them to remain faithful despite persecution.

You err when you take God's Holy Son and make Him to be a part of an unholy people and population of Gentile idol-worshipers. Gentiles were never under the Law and as such were never part of the animal sacrifices among the Jews as practiced by them in obedience to the God of Abraham. There is no covenant between the God of Abraham and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Gentiles were never under the Law and never under the economy of God. They were the enemy of God and the Hebrew people. According to Genesis 17:7 the Abraham Covenant is between God and Abraham and Abraham's biological seed. You cannot add non-Hebrew Gentiles to Israel's covenants when there is no record of non-Hebrew Gentiles ever being a part of God's Laws.

Again...

On what the NEW Covenant is in the book of Hebrews.

The New Covenant in the book of Hebrews refers to the agreement established by Jesus Christ, which offers a better relationship with God through complete forgiveness of sins and an internal desire to follow God's laws. It is seen as a fulfillment of the Old Covenant, emphasizing grace and a personal relationship with God for all believers

The New Covenant, as described in the book of Hebrews, represents a significant shift in the relationship between God and humanity. It is established through Jesus Christ and is fundamentally different from the Old Covenant made with Israel

Key Features of the New Covenant​

1.​

• The New Covenant is initiated by Jesus through His sacrifice. At the Last Supper, He referred to the cup as "the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20).

2. ​

• Unlike the Old Covenant, which relied on external laws, the New Covenant emphasizes an internal change. God promises to write His laws on the hearts of His people, fostering a genuine desire to obey Him (Jeremiah 31:33).

3. ​

• The New Covenant offers full and complete forgiveness of sins. Believers are assured that they are cleansed from all impurities (Ezekiel 36:25).

4. ​

• It establishes a direct relationship between God and individuals, where each person can know God personally (Jeremiah 31:34).

Comparison with the Old Covenant​

Basis	External laws and sacrifices	Internal transformation and grace
Mediator	Moses and Levitical priests	Jesus Christ as the High Priest
Forgiveness	Temporary atonement through sacrifices	Complete and permanent forgiveness
Relationship with God	National and communal	Personal and individual

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Attribute

[/th][th]
Old Covenant

[/th][th]
New Covenant

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It happened from Jesus onward. We, Gentiles, are included.

You keep saying there was none in the NT. Well, here you go.

This is the prophecy by Jeremiah given to Judah, and Israel specifically. There is no mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles being named, mentioned, or included in this covenant.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of a tribe living next to another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

You can see for yourself there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this covenant of salvation.
None. Nor did Jesus include them when He publicized a new covenant in His blood on the last Passover He observed before He died under the Law to redeem a people who were under the Law: The House of Israel and the House of Judah. All twelve tribes of the children of Jacob.
The New Covenant is a covenant joined at the hip with the Mosaic Covenant. While the Ceremonial Laws have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ in His death, He arose from His grave in newness of life and the Law God promised to put in the inward parts of the children of Israel He does through the giving of His Spirit and the commands God gave Israel through Moses once obeyed when written of stone the Holy Spirit is that Law written on fleshly tables of the heart.

And here is THAT prophecy:

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:22–28.

Strictly a prophecy given to Israel. There is no mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this prophecy either.
It is only God keeping His promises to save His covenant people Israel.

 

[FreeInChrist]

It is not God's "transformative agreement that emphasizes grace, personal relationship, and internal change, marking a new era in God's interaction with humanity." It has nothing to do with humanity. It has to do with Israel and only Israel as the New Covenant prophecy of Jeremiah declares. The New Covenant is between God and the ten northern kingdom tribes of the House of Israel and the two southern kingdom tribes of the House of Judah. There is no mention of "humanity" in this covenant.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31.

You are adding to the Bible something that is not there in the text. And for it you come up with a false gospel, a false teaching.

Israel did not put together what is today called the New Testament. Gentiles did this, and without God's blessing or permission. Gentiles knew that the Hebrew Scripture was wholly Hebrew in language, people, religion, culture, covenant, and relationship with God and in order to emphasize the false teaching among Gentiles that elevated them as equals with Israel and their long relationship with the God of Abraham gathered copies of many gospels, letters by the several apostles of Jesus Christ, a prophecy of John, and other letters by lesser known Jewish Christians and yes, even some forgeries, and made a bible in order to force themselves into Israel's relationship with Yahweh, the National God of Israel, to give themselves validity while they re-interpret the gospels and letters they decided to be included in their Gentile bible to support their theft and replacement of Israel's heritage and their inheritance they had with the God of Abraham resulting a whole new religion onto the world that usurps Israel's relationship with their God while at the same time falsely supporting the Hebrew people's right to their God and passing it off as being part of Israel's covenants with God.

The Book of Hebrews is a treatise written by a Jewish Christian who has rightly understood the New Covenant era Israel found herself in with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL by one of their own prophets named Joel before the time of Judah's defeat, captivity, and exile by Babylon. This book contains many references to the Law, to Abraham, to the Patriarchs of Israel, their covenants, the rituals, the culture, and the understanding that helped Jewish Christianity which was an outgrowth of the Hebrew covenants with Jesus Christ being recognized as Israel's Promised Messiah, Lord, and King. One important and encouraging part of Hebrews is chapter 11 which is also called the "Hall of Faith." Nowhere in this list of men and women of the Hebrew peoples' past ever name one Gentile. This is wholly a Hebrew text and it accompanies nicely the things that was taking place among the Jews by the Holy Spirit of Promise who coming was prophesied by Hebrew prophets and promised by God to and for the Hebrew people.

The 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture is the final authority of God and the Hebrew people. It is a record of how all things began, how Abraham was chosen by God to be part of God's plan to have a people in relationship with Him and it records many important people and events that center on the Hebrew people and their journey from one man and one woman - both born from Eber - with whom God makes covenant with Abraham and these Scriptures chronicle his life and times and the future of the Hebrew people that would follow. The Hebrew Scripture contains the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and Psalms. It is a record of the preparation of Israel's Promised Redeemer and a history of the Hebrew people ending with their last prophet, Malachi, before Messiah's arrival. The Hebrew Scripture stands out alone as the authorized telling of God's relationship with the Hebrew people. While I accept the four gospels, the letters by the various apostles, and end time prophecy which is centered around Israel, they are still copies letters that the Jewish Church of the first century read, circulated among the churches, copied, read, and re-circulated among the churches they are still letters by various Jews and Jewish Christians who through study of the Hebrew Scripture were able to understand the New Covenant era Israel found herself in shortly after Jesus' ascension. The advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise sent to Israel once Jesus Christ arrived back with His Father was testified, discerned, witnessed, and discussed among themselves in the Jewish Church of the things God's Spirit was doing among the Jews. They are to be held up as an accurate interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures but to elevate them as equal to the Hebrew Scripture which was authorized by God to and for the Hebrew people is unauthorized by God. Nowhere in these writings is there any record or command by God to make a bible utilizing their letters and other personal communication.

The book of Hebrews says nothing about God having any covenant with all of humanity or the Gentile world. It is a Hebrew text specifically written to the Hebrew people about Hebrew theological and religious business between the Hebrew people and the God of the universe.

The Jewish Law is the New Covenant God established with both Houses of Israel. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant Law of Moses fulfilled by Jesus Christ. While the New Covenant speaks of God forgiving the people of Israel it does not include the mechanism upon which forgiveness is based. The mechanism for God forgiving the sins of Israel is found in the Mosaic Covenant while Jesus was alive and while that Passover holy day was being celebrated by the Jews and by Jews visiting from their homes and synagogues in Gentile lands. Jesus died under the Law. He died a substitutionary sacrificial death for the sins of the children of Israel and not for Gentiles. Jesus died in accordance with the Mosaic Law. He did not destroy the Law and He did not change the Law. He obeyed it perfectly. And as the Law instructed animal sacrifice yearly for Israel's sins, God used the same covenant Law through which Jesus died, as with a animal being sacrificed, Jesus died in same fashion under the Law to redeem those who lived under the Law as Saul said in his Galatian letter:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ga 4:4–5.

Gentiles were never given God's Law. They were not under it, did not honor it, and for the most part, were enemies of the cross being that God used a Gentile instrument of death in order to sacrifice His Son for Israel's sins.

You err when you take God's Holy Son and make Him to be a part of an unholy people and population of Gentile idol-worshipers. Gentiles were never under the Law and as such were never part of the animal sacrifices among the Jews as practiced by them in obedience to the God of Abraham. There is no covenant between the God of Abraham and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Gentiles were never under the Law and never under the economy of God. They were the enemy of God and the Hebrew people. According to Genesis 17:7 the Abraham Covenant is between God and Abraham and Abraham's biological seed. You cannot add non-Hebrew Gentiles to Israel's covenants when there is no record of non-Hebrew Gentiles ever being a part of God's Laws.

This is the prophecy by Jeremiah given to Judah, and Israel specifically. There is no mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles being named, mentioned, or included in this covenant.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of a tribe living next to another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

You can see for yourself there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this covenant of salvation.
None. Nor did Jesus include them when He publicized a new covenant in His blood on the last Passover He observed before He died under the Law to redeem a people who were under the Law: The House of Israel and the House of Judah. All twelve tribes of the children of Jacob.
The New Covenant is a covenant joined at the hip with the Mosaic Covenant. While the Ceremonial Laws have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ in His death, He arose from His grave in newness of life and the Law God promised to put in the inward parts of the children of Israel He does through the giving of His Spirit and the commands God gave Israel through Moses once obeyed when written of stone the Holy Spirit is that Law written on fleshly tables of the heart.

And here is THAT prophecy:

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and fa new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 36:22–28.

Strictly a prophecy given to Israel. There is no mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles included in this prophecy either.
It is only God keeping His promises to save His covenant people Israel.

IDC.

I dont.

Between you and a couple of others on here I am simply.... well. I wont give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you.

Who put the NT together? Was it the _____n RCC?

Why was that book ever included in the NT to begon with?

Give me a solid answer and Ill make sure it is not read in mine anymore.... LOL ... I have a stack of bibles, including Jewish
and I can find no where to get rid of them. I am against book burning but might come down to it because I do not want to be seen as one who fosters a lie.... got enough in my past for that, that I managed to repent of.... but does it really matter?

I wont be with you. You have made that clear.

I will now put you on ignore for the remainder of my time here so consider it my parting gift that you will never hear from me again.

 

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IDC.

I dont.

Between you and a couple of others on here I am simply.... well. I wont give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you.

Who put the NT together? Was it the _____n RCC?

Why was that book ever included in the NT to begon with?

Give me a solid answer and Ill make sure it is not read in mine anymore.... LOL View attachment 2353... I have a stack of bibles, including Jewish
and I can find no where to get rid of them. I am against book burning but might come down to it because I do not want to be seen as one who fosters a lie.... got enough in my past for that, that I managed to repent of.... but does it really matter?

I wont be with you. You have made that clear.

I will now put you on ignore for the remainder of my time here so consider it my parting gift that you will never hear from me again.

Ignore? Really? If you are a true Christian, you don't have the right to put Christ in me on ignore. That is an offense against Christ. The body does not do that to another body part. Unless of course, you are not a true Christian.
Imagine the legs refusing to work in tandem with the toes, ankles, and knees. Your heresy in your teaching is matched by your heresy against Christ in me. Putting Christ on "ignore" is a real attack against Him. But if you have one doctrine wrong another shall follow.