The New Covenant was PRIOR to the Law and Old Covenant

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The New Covenant

The covenant is to return to eden paradise, our promised land.

 

[Truther]

Sinners being saved. There is no difference in sinners being saved from one ethnic/race to another. Zero. All saved the same way. As I said, you are trying to create a distinction where there isn't one.




Why are you saying replace? Sinners being saved isn't replacing anything. They do not own the covenant/testament. Jesus Christ does. He alone has those promises. The only heir of Abraham that establishes the covenant you insist is established with just certain sinners. Covenants are earned. Not just gifted. Earned. There is a difference between a Benefactor and a beneficiary. Though Christ died, He is alive forever more. He alone has the keys to death and hell. He alone.

Not you. Not me. Not some supposedly "superior race/ethnic" structure.



There have been countless arguments over these words since they were written by Paul. There is a Deliver that came out Sion that is the Deliver of all men. Not just some. Not just a few you prefer.

To the Jews were committed the Oracles of God. They were beloved in such an election. That changed when the "Oracles of God" were given to Gentiles.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Timothy and Titus (A Greek and half breed) were gifted the ministry of reconciliation from the apostle Paul. They "carried the torch" forward.

These are the facts of the history of Christianity.

Arguing that Israel is accomplished in faith apart from any action of their own is extremely reckless relative to the Gospel.

Tell me, was Paul part of the "Church"? or part of "Israel"? How about Peter?

It’s obvious that you believe that Jeremiah 31 is hypothetical not literal.

 

[Truther]

The Covenant is with the Fathers regarding their Spiritual seed Via Christ

No, the covenant with the fathers begins with God, promising Abraham, that all of his seed would inherit the Canaan land. You just think we are in the Canaan land hypothetically. That is how religions are born. You do not believe in the literal scripture.

 

[Truther]

No. God didn't. Not exclusively.

Paul clearly dealt with who is a Jew when he wrote.......

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.




That Covenant/Testament is only in Jesus Christ.

Do you prefer to take such honor away from Christ? I don't. I speak of Him. I extol His value. I don't pretend that a faithless group of humans claiming the seed of God honors God.

God has secured "salvation is of the Lord" solely through the efforts of Jesus Christ. The Only heir of Abraham with any of the promises.

Abraham didn't start this. God in Eternity past did. God in the Incarnation has solely established the covenant through Jesus Christ alone.

Are you the “seed” that inherits the “Canaanland“. Are you “Israel and Judah“ that replaces national Israel at the return of Christ?

 

[Truther]

No. God didn't. Not exclusively.

Paul clearly dealt with who is a Jew when he wrote.......

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.




That Covenant/Testament is only in Jesus Christ.

Do you prefer to take such honor away from Christ? I don't. I speak of Him. I extol His value. I don't pretend that a faithless group of humans claiming the seed of God honors God.

God has secured "salvation is of the Lord" solely through the efforts of Jesus Christ. The Only heir of Abraham with any of the promises.

Abraham didn't start this. God in Eternity past did. God in the Incarnation has solely established the covenant through Jesus Christ alone.

You just did away with the promise to Abraham, that his seed would inherit Canaan land. Clever.

 

[Truther]

You're reserving a exclusive event for this special "class of sinners".

You're promoting "them" when all men are saved the same way. There is no difference.

The promises you're claim are exclusively for Jesus Christ. No one else.

No, Paul promoted them in Romans chapter 11. You just think it is speaking of you. You think you are the replacement for these particular people.

 

[Truther]

The Covenant is with the Fathers regarding their Spiritual seed Via Christ

You just advocated for replacement theology. God dismissing his promise.

 

[Truther]

The covenant is to return to eden paradise, our promised land.

Replacement theology

 

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It’s obvious that you believe that Jeremiah 31 is hypothetical not literal.

No. That is ridiculous. I haven't said one thing that indicates your claim is true.

 

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Are you the “seed” that inherits the “Canaanland“. Are you “Israel and Judah“ that replaces national Israel at the return of Christ?

I seek a heavenly country just like Abraham did.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

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You just did away with the promise to Abraham, that his seed would inherit Canaan land. Clever.

Even your position believes that inheritance with end. Don't pretend it doesn't. Peter said very clearly

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Why are you pretending that "Canaan land" is eternal?

 

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No, Paul promoted them in Romans chapter 11. You just think it is speaking of you. You think you are the replacement for these particular people.

I'm not replacing anyone. That is a false dichotomy. Your position is a fabricated construct were you continually repeat "Replacement, Replacement, Replacement......

I've lost good friends because of this topic. I know the subject well. You don't know it as well as any of my friends do. I've made them all angry with me because they have no argument.

These types of arguments are fabricated nonsense. The Church of God is all those of all generation that are faithful to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. These promises you reference to Israel are temporal apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Replacement theology

How many times do you think I've heard this before? I can't count the times. If you will stop making this false claim and listen to what I have to say you just might change your mind.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Replacement theology

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Notice verse 11:39......

Notice the Unity that exists in the all generations of the faithful. They shall all be One flock under One Sheppard.

 

[Truther]

No. That is ridiculous. I haven't said one thing that indicates your claim is true.

Jer 31 is speaking to Judah and Israel, correct?

Are you them?

 

[Truther]

I seek a heavenly country just like Abraham did.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Did you inherit the land of Caanan?

 

[Truther]

Even your position believes that inheritance with end. Don't pretend it doesn't. Peter said very clearly

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Why are you pretending that "Canaan land" is eternal?

Israel and Judah inheriting the Caanan land is during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

You will remain stuck in the USA.

Sorry about that.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Did you inherit the land of Caanan?

Do you believe a Jew is established through DNA?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Israel and Judah inheriting the Caanan land is during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

You will remain stuck in the USA.

Sorry about that.

You have no idea when the "1000 year reign" will take place. Stop pretending.

 

[Truther]

I'm not replacing anyone. That is a false dichotomy. Your position is a fabricated construct were you continually repeat "Replacement, Replacement, Replacement......

I've lost good friends because of this topic. I know the subject well. You don't know it as well as any of my friends do. I've made them all angry with me because they have no argument.

These types of arguments are fabricated nonsense. The Church of God is all those of all generation that are faithful to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. These promises you reference to Israel are temporal apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

This will never be you....


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


...and God lies not.