The Nature of God in the Atonement

@TomL



You denying Christ and scripture Heb 1:3 The guilt of sin is gone, when He sat down !
You ignored these

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.

And it's your ignoring of scripture that is the problem here.
 
@TomL



The guilt of their sins were purged away, when He sat down, so they are not guilty ! Thats Justification
Um unbelievers are not justified

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 3:13–19 (NASB95) — 13 “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. 14 “But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses. 16 “And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all. 17 “And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. 18 “But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 “Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.

Unbelievers are condemned, not justified.
 
@TomL



You denying Christ and scripture Heb 1:3 The guilt of sin is gone, when He sat down !
To forgive and save believers per scripture

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,



Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



Acts 13:38–39 (LEB) — 38 “Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and from all the things from which you were not able to be justified by the law of Moses, 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!



Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”



Acts 26:18 (LEB) — 18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’



Romans 3:23–25 (LEB) — 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins,

but not unbelievers

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

2 Thessalonians 2:1
 
@TomL



Absolutely False, they were purged away the guilt and all when Christ sat down. You denying Christ work

a cleansing from the guilt of sins
Nope, Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.
 
Nope, Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.
As we have seen in this thread we have the same Bible and Dictionary but a different vocabulary and definition than those who promote PSA and for that matter tulip too. But this thread is about PSA , the atonement. They hijack words and their meanings to fit the doctrine. It happens with Sovereignty, election , chosen, predestination, regeneration, foreknowledge just to name a few.

A.W. Tozer believed God's sovereignty is the basis for man's freedom; God sovereignly decreed that man possesses moral freedom to choose between good and evil. Man's choices, even evil ones, fulfill God's sovereign will because the divine decree established the freedom to choose, not a specific choice. God's absolute freedom allows Him to grant limited freedom to His creation, a gift a less sovereign God could not bestow
 
@TomL

You ignored these

Nothing of them scriptures deny or contradict what Christ accomplished, the purging away of all the sins of them He died for, finished the work and sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

And He knows every person whose sins He purged away.

Ps 79:9

9 Help us , O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

Sins purged away = Salvation
 
@TomL

Nope, Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

You denying His effectual work. He made an end of sin for the covenant people Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
@TomL



Nothing of them scriptures deny or contradict what Christ accomplished, the purging away of all the sins of them He died for, finished the work and sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

And He knows every person whose sins He purged away.

Ps 79:9

9 Help us , O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

Sins purged away = Salvation
Again your interpretation is contrary to the whole of scripture

Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Christ's work made for the purification of sin,

Hebrews 1:3–4 (NIV) — 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Which would be applied to believers, not unbelievers.

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.
 
@TomL



You denying His effectual work. He made an end of sin for the covenant people Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Covenant people would be believers

Hello
 
@TomL



Nothing of them scriptures deny or contradict what Christ accomplished, the purging away of all the sins of them He died for, finished the work and sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

And He knows every person whose sins He purged away.

Ps 79:9

9 Help us , O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

Sins purged away = Salvation
For believers

Acts 22:16 (LEB) — 16 And now why are you delaying? Get up, be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name!’

Acts 15:9 (LEB) — 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

1 John 1:7 (LEB) — 7 But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Acts 15:9 (LEB) — 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
 
Again your interpretation is contrary to the whole of scripture

Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Christ's work made for the purification of sin,

Hebrews 1:3–4 (NIV) — 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Which would be applied to believers, not unbelievers.

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.
You denying His finished work, He purged sin away for them He died for, they can never be charged to them,

Heb 9:26

26 or then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

When He put away their sins back in 33 ad, current believers were not believers back when He put away their sins, in fact they had not yet been born into unbelievers, but they would be, so when they were born unbelievers, their sins had been put away centuries b4, they were unbelievers with no sin to their charge.
 
You denying His finished work, He purged sin away for them He died for, they can never be charged to them,

Heb 9:26

26 or then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

When He put away their sins back in 33 ad, current believers were not believers back when He put away their sins, in fact they had not yet been born into unbelievers, but they would be, so when they were born unbelievers, their sins had been put away centuries b4, they were unbelievers with no sin to their charge.
The following verses showed the falsity of your claim.

Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Christ's work made for the purification of sin,

Hebrews 1:3–4 (NIV) — 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Which would be applied to believers, not unbelievers.

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (LEB) — 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.
 
@TomL

Christ's work justifies and saves believers, not unbelievers.

Absolutely false, a multitude of unbelievers were saved by Christs death for them. He put away their sins back in 33 Ad on the Cross, purged them way, now they had not even been born unbelieving sinners yet, and they were saved legally from their sins, no sin can be charged to them legally because they are all purged away. Heb 1:3 ; Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Their sins had been cancelled, abolished.

See these are Truths that you should have heard in the True Gospel, God given Faith receives these truths.
 
I found this in an old locked thread on another forum as I was browsing my old thread. I thought I would post it here since its from the same thread topic.

On the question of wrath in the NT, several things are worth bearing in mind. First, in the NT, whilst there is plenty of discussion about God’s wrath (or sometimes just ‘the wrath’) God is never described as being ‘angry’. Wrath is always a noun, and never a verb. Stephen Travis in Christ and the Judgement of God talks of it as an effectus not an affectus, an attitude rather than a feeling. I remember his former colleague Michael Green describing God’s wrath as ‘his settled opposition to all that is evil.’

Secondly, it is described as something both present (for example in Romans 1) and future (in Romans 5.9). In fact, Romans 5.9 is the only verse in the NT which links Jesus’ death with deliverance from wrath explicitly, and here Paul clearly has the final judgement in mind, not some transaction which takes place on the cross at the time of Jesus’ death.

Thirdly (for the sake of good Anglicans) it is important to note that the Book of Common Prayer does make use of the idea of satisfaction:

All glory be to thee, Almighty God, our heavenly Father, for that thou, of thy tender mercy, didst give thine only Son Jesus Christ to suffer death upon the Cross for our redemption; who made there (by his one oblation of himself once offered) a full, perfect, and sufficient sacrifice, oblation, and satisfaction, for the sins of the whole world…
But it is worth noting that the ‘satisfaction’ of honour is a mediaeval idea, originating with Anselm of Canterbury in the eleventh century, not one that is found in the NT in relation to Jesus’ death. In any case, the BCP does not talk of ‘satisfying God’s wrath’, and the emphasis here comes from its root in the Middle English satisfien, from Anglo-French satisfier, modification of Latin satisfacere, from satis ‘enough’ and facere ‘to do or make’ and thus means paid or discharged in full. Hence I am very happy to use the words of the BCP, but still not to sing the phrase in the Townend hymn.

The real danger in talking of Jesus satisfying God’s wrath is that we separate the actions of the Trinity in the cross. It appears to portray loving Jesus saving us from an angry God who metes out his punishment upon the innocent. Instead, we should see in the open arms of Jesus a welcome by a loving Father, who no longer counts our sin against us—it is from our sin and its consequences that Jesus saves us, rather than from a hateful God.

This moves us into the question of doctrine of the atonement. This is not the place to tackle this massive subject in full (!), but I noted in the FB discussion that the NT uses a whole range of metaphors for what happened on the cross—apart from the language of taking our place and bearing our sins (1 Peter), the cross and resurrection of Jesus dethroned the powers (Ephesians), ended our shame (Hebrews), brought us into friendship with God (2 Cor), recapitulated the story of Israel (Matthew and Acts), began the redemption of the whole creation (Romans 8), and started the recreation of humanity (Romans and 1 Cor). Tom Smail explores a whole range of images and ideas in his excellent Windows on the Cross which is a great resource for preaching. If we are going to engage our culture with the meaning of Jesus, we would do well to draw on the whole range of ways that Scripture uses.

However, in the FB discussion, one contributor commented:

I believe that the traditional language of the satisfaction of God’s wrath expresses the model at the very heart of the atonement and the Gospel…Further, if you don’t like the doctrine that the cross satisfied God’s wrath, don’t sing it, don’t call yourself a classical evangelical, and leave the COE. Since the BCP is part of the doctrine of the COE, to reject the BCP’s language about satisfaction is to reject the COE’s doctrine, and, for clergy, break their ordination vows. Further, Penal substitution has historically been a key belief for evangelicalism.
I began to see why so many comments were generated—if you don’t believe this phrase (even though it does not occur in the NT, is not found in the creeds, and does not in this form occur in the BCP) you are not really a proper Anglican, let alone an evangelical (though again the phrase is absent from both UCCF and CEEC bases of faith), so I suppose there is a question about whether you could call yourself a Christian at all! At one point, it sounded as though this correspondent was putting the doctrine of ‘penal substitution’ (that Jesus died in our place, being punished by God for our sins, and so satisfying God’s wrath) on the same level as belief in the Trinity, though in fact he pulled back from that in a later comment. https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studies/did-jesus-die-to-satisfy-gods-wrath/



When Stephen Travis revised Christ and the Judgement of God, he included an additional chapter specifically responding to those proposing penal substitution as the main way to understand Jesus’ death. The chapter is a tour de force, a masterly exploration of the issue, fully engaging with alternative views, and is worth reading in full. He comments:

Most interpreters of Paul would agree with Howard Marshall, that ‘Paul’s vocabulary expresses the results of Christ’s death rather than its character, and this fits in with New Testament thought in general, which is more concerned with the nature of salvation than with the precise way in which it has been achieved.’ (p 181)

There is no place [in the OT] for the popular idea that in the sacrificial ritual God is somehow punishing the animal…or for the inference that something parallel to that is happening in the sacrificial death of Christ. (p 197)

Paul’s understanding of the death of Christ includes, but does not place at the centre, the idea that he bore the retributive punishment for our sins…To understand the atonement exclusively in those terms involves a misunderstanding of what Paul means by ‘the wrath of God.’ (p 199)

The meaning of the cross is not that God punished his Son in order to avoid punishing humanity, but that in Christ God himself took responsibility for the world’s evil and absorbed its consequences into itself. (p 200)

hope this helps !!!
 
Part 2

God can do anything and everything is what sovereignty means by definition. God will only do what is loving and what is righteousness. Righteousness is the foundation of his throne. In other words, righteousness is the constraint of his sovereign rule. Love is how God rules His creation. Sovereignty, Righteousness, Justice, Mercy and all the other attributes of God fall under the umbrella of His love. God being love is foundational to Gods nature, character, the gospel and the entire purpose for Christs 1st Coming. John 3:16. God rules by His love. The question we need to be asking ourselves is this, how does our Sovereign God display His love in conjunction with His rule over mankind?

Psalm 22

The messianic passage of Psalm 22 was played out before their very eyes, and Jesus quotes the opening verse letting His persecutors know that He truly is the Son of God, the Messiah, by quoting Psalm 22. The passage was being lived out before all witnesses of the crucifixion. It is a proclamation and a declaration that He is the Messiah, God's One and Only Son who gave His life as a ransom for many.

What the Father did allow to happen and not rescue His Son from was His death and suffering from those wicked leaders to be our sacrifice for sin. The entire weight of that was upon Him to bear alone, but the Father never left Him. He was there hearing His prayers and answering them upon His death. Moreover, let us not forget Jesus' promise to the sinner, "Today, you will be with me in paradise Luke 23:4." For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. The Trinity was never fractured, broken, or severed for even a moment, but together, the Godhead accomplished salvation for sinners.

It was a Triune effort that worked out to perfection as They had planned from the very beginning. Furthermore, when this reconciliation took place at the cross, we read that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself - 2 Corinthians 5:19. The book of Romans states that "God demonstrated His love for us that while we were still sinners Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). So Jesus' sacrificial atonement both propitiates (turns away God’s wrath) and expiates (covers our sins). Gods’ wrath does not fall on the sacrifice. Scripture teaches us that sin was condemned in the flesh, not that Jesus was condemned (Romans 8:3).



Psalm 22
My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy,
O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
4 In You our fathers trusted;
They trusted and You delivered them.
5 To You they cried out and were delivered;
In You they trusted and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me sneer at me;
They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8 “Commit yourself to the Lord; let Him deliver him;
Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”
9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
10 Upon You I was cast from birth;
You have been my God from my mother’s womb.
11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
13 They open wide their mouth at me,
As a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all my bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It is melted within me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;
And You lay me in the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded me;
A band of evildoers has encompassed me;
They pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones.
They look, they stare at me;
18 They divide my garments among them,
And for my clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O Lord, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword,
My only life from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.
22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise Him;
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And stand in awe of Him, all you of Israel.
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him
;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
25 From You comes my praise in the great assembly;
I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the Lord.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.
30 Posterity will serve Him;
It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
31 They will come and will declare His righteousness
To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.​



1-Within Psalm 22, there are numerous details regarding Jesus' crucifixion. For example, Psalms 22 and the gospels say He was mocked, despised, hurled insults, cast lots, divided His clothes, let God rescue Him. Further, Psalm 22:24 also says God has not despised Him nor hidden His face from Him and listened to His cry for help.

2- Psalm 22:24 coincides with Jesus' trust and relationship with the Father when he states, "Into your hands, I commit MY Spirit."

3- Psalm 22:1 was Jesus’ cry in response to his enemies' surrounding him like David, not about the Father turning away from him.

4- Psalm 22 and Jesus last words are a declaration, a proclamation that He is the promised Messiah described in great detail in this Psalm.
Psalm 22 was written by David.

Did God ever forsake His chosen King David ? the answer is no, even when he fled from Saul in the caves and was alone God never forsook him even though at times God might of been silent. This is the same David who wrote the very next Psalm 23 where he declares in the valley of the shadow of death thou art with me in the midst of my enemies.

Here are some more scriptures on God never forsaking His righteous people.

Scripture from both testaments on never being forsaken

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Deuteronomy 4:31
For the LORD your God is a merciful God; He will not abandon you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers, which He swore to them by oath.

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and courageous; do not be afraid or terrified of them, for it is the LORD your God who goes with you; He will never leave you nor forsake you."

Deuteronomy 31:8
The LORD Himself goes before you; He will be with you. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid or discouraged."

Joshua 1:5
No one shall stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so will I be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.

Psalm 9:10

And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever,but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them
If Jesus was forsaken by God the Father then God is a liar and contradicts His promises throughout Scripture to never leave thee of forsake thee.

Psalm 22:24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 16:32 "A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me."

Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.

Jesus bearing God's “cup of wrath” and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in Scripture.

In Matthew 26:39, Jesus says, "If it be your will, let this cup pass from me." Jesus tells us precisely what the cup was. It was the cup of his suffering, which meant that He would die an agonizing death as a martyr. In the passage below, Jesus told His disciples that they would also drink of the same "cup":

Matthew 20:17-
Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. 21 “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. 23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

1Thessalonians 5:9-For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we see above it was not the cup of wrath Jesus was speaking about but it was the suffering He was going to have to endure for our sins. God has not appointed us to wrath and the cup means the suffering of Jesus and that the disciples would also suffer death as martyrs. In fact, many scriptures testify that believers too will suffer persecution for being a follower of Jesus. Suffering persecution is a promise for a believer who follows Jesus, it is something we should expect to happen in our life.

2 Timothy 3:12- Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well.

Matthew 5:10 - Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Deuteronomy 4:31
For the LORD your God is a merciful God; He will not abandon you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers, which He swore to them by oath.

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and courageous; do not be afraid or terrified of them, for it is the LORD your God who goes with you; He will never leave you nor forsake you."

Deuteronomy 31:8
The LORD Himself goes before you; He will be with you. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid or discouraged."

Joshua 1:5
No one shall stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so will I be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.


Psalm 9:10

And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them

conclusion
: Jesus the Righteous One, Holy One, Divine Son of God was not forsaken by the Father as Scripture declares in many places in both testaments. One cannot Isolate Jesus words from the rest of Scripture that contradicts Gods promise to never forsake His righteous ones. That is a promise from God that He will never break. Those who teach He was forsaken are misunderstanding Scripture and have God contradicting Himself and making God the Father out to be a liar.

hope this helps !!!
 
Here is a great article and insight into Psalm 22

The Portrayal of David and the Holy Spirit

First, we must ascertain the relationship between David, the human author of Psalm 22, and the Holy Spirit. David based his trust in God at least partially on his anointing by the prophet Samuel, which was the anointing of the Holy Spirit: ‘the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward’ (1 Sam.16:13). The phrase ‘from that day forward’ includes the occasion of Psalm 22, whatever period David felt forsaken to the Gentiles in the wilderness. The author (or final editor, as the case may be) of the Book of Samuel extends the narration into the last years of David’s reign. So even if we take the view that Psalm 22 was not rooted in one particular moment in David’s life, but was a poetic composition which he came back to time and time again, the extent of the narrative of Samuel covers all those possibilities. David never lost the Spirit. His clearest personal basis for trusting God in the wilderness was the presence of the Holy Spirit who anointed him for the kingship and remained upon him ‘from that day forward.’

Thus, God did not withdraw from David at the time he composed the Psalm, and David knew it.
So if this Psalm of David is now in our canon, how could God have forsaken David in any vertical sense pertaining to Himself, especially when David composed it? Vertical abandonment by God is not what David actually said in Psalm 22, even in the season(s) of his life when he felt forsaken horizontally into the midst of hostile kings and powers.

The notion of divine abandonment troubles not only exegesis, as I will demonstrate below, but also orthodox creedal confessions. Within the scope of creedal statements – especially, Jesus’ baptismal creed of Matthew 28:18 – 20 and its eventual expansion into the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 AD – the Holy Spirit is confessed to be fully God. If we believe David wrote by the Spirit (e.g. Acts 2:29 – 30), then we must also believe that God did not abandon David. If we believe Scripture is ‘God-breathed’ (e.g. 2 Tim.3:16; Jn.16:13, 15), following in the pattern of creation where God breathed life into Adam (Gen.2:7), and new creation where Jesus breathed the Spirit into the disciples (Jn.20:22), then we must also believe that God did not abandon David. Any theory of divine abandonment jeopardizes the full divinity of the Holy Spirit.

By extension, penal substitution advocates who assert that Jesus quoted Psalm 22:1 from the cross in order to testify to some divine abandonment vertically, or rejection from God the Father, run afoul of many, many exegetical and theological problems.
Like David, Jesus’ anointing was also the Holy Spirit, who had been manifested as anointing Jesus for kingship at his baptism in Matthew 3:13 – 17. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and inheres in the Son-Word as the divine energy who carries out God’s spoken promises (in early Eastern theology influenced by Athanasius), or the very bond of love between Father and Son (in early Western theology influenced by Augustine). In any case, the persons of the Trinity act inseparably and in unison. Therefore, it is quite difficult, if not impossible, to conceive of the Holy Spirit being withdrawn from Jesus in any manner.

The Place of Psalm 22 in the Life of David

What place did Psalm 22 have in the life of David, at least in the way the Psalm portrays itself? Answering that question will reinforce the conclusion that there was no divine abandonment of Jesus.

Psalm 22 was part of David’s pre-enthronement experience of being hunted by Saul
, the reigning and paranoid king, forced into the Judean wilderness, and occasionally pushed even further out among the Gentiles (1 Sam.18 – 31). This pre-enthronement period of David’s life is contrasted with his enthronement (2 Sam.1 – 5) and troubled reign, including the time he abdicated the throne to avoid civil war with his son Absalom (2 Sam.6 – 24). David did feel extremely vulnerable among certain hostile Gentiles, and penned Psalm 22 as part of that experience. His references to ‘enemies’ are many (Ps.22:6 – 8, 11 – 18, 20 – 21), which were probably, in the main, hostile Gentiles; but we cannot exclude the agents of King Saul.

David did not believe that God had turned against or away from him. What he meant was, ‘Why have You forsaken me to the Gentiles?’ In the Psalm itself, David recognized God’s providential care for him from his conception. And David also recognized that, although his circumstances as a young man were far more dangerous than any that confronted him while in the womb or at his mother’s breast, God’s love and care for him had not changed:

‘Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb

You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts

Upon You I was cast from birth;

You have been my God from my mother’s womb

Be not far from me, for trouble is near

For there is none to help.’ (Ps.22:9 – 11)

‘But You, O God, be not far off

O You my help, hasten to my assistance.’ (Ps.22:19)
Despite the external threats, David still experienced God as loving and protecting him, as having His face turned toward him with favor:

‘For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;

Nor has He hidden His face from him

But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.’ (Ps.22:24)
Because Psalm 22:22 – 31 uses the past tense, some interpreters suggest that this section corresponds to Jesus’ voice in his resurrection and enthronement, after his crucifixion and death. But when David ostensibly penned this Psalm, he was not yet enthroned, and not yet out of danger. David was merely voicing his confidence in God during his difficult historical circumstances. Vocalizing thanks and praise to God in the past tense as if God had already brought deliverance was a common literary device to express confidence in God, that He will surely act in the future (e.g. Gen.49:15; Ex.15:13 – 17; Ps.3:4; etc.).

There was a time when David did worry about losing the Holy Spirit: When he sinned with Bathsheba and Uriah (2 Sam.12). Psalm 51:11 expresses that concern: ‘Take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.’ As a young man serving in Saul’s court, David had somehow perceived that king Saul had lost the anointing of the Spirit to reign (1 Sam.16:14). But Psalm 22 was not an occasion where David was considering his own sin and mourning it. Instead, David was still confident of God’s presence, receptivity to his prayers, and favor (Ps.22:3 – 5, 9 – 11, 19 – 31; cf. 34:6 – 7; etc.). So Psalm 22 refers to David feeling horizontally forsaken into the midst of enemies, but not vertically abandoned by God.

The Place of Psalm 22 in the Book of Psalms


Does the Book of Psalms as a whole understand Psalm 22 as part of David’s pre-enthronement experience? Yes, and the following exegesis will reinforce the theological argument. The Book of Psalms as a whole tells the story of David’s house; biblical scholars increasingly recognize this.[1] The Book of Psalms conveys this story through the traditional Jewish division of the Psalms into five literary units.[2]

Book 1: Psalms 1 – 41 reflect the calling and early life of David. In David, God has prepared a man who meditates on Him and His teaching (Ps.1). God then anoints him as king (Ps.2), fulfilling His promise from the Torah to bring forth a king that will rule over the nations (Gen.49:8 – 12; Num.24:1 – 19; Dt.17:14 – 20). But David faces enemies who persecute him (Pss.3 – 7; 9 – 14; 17 – 18; 20 – 23; 25 – 28; 30 – 31; 34 – 38). Psalm 23 is a chiasm whose central point is walking through the valley of the shadow of death because of surrounding enemies (Ps.23:4); so the placement of Ps.23 after Ps.22 suggests that the final editor of the Book of Psalms believed that David could address trust and complaint to God more or less simultaneously during his difficulties, in case that was not already evident in certain individual Psalms. After all, one does not complain to a God one does not trust to fulfill His promises. David, perhaps by reflecting on the Torah, marvels at the creation and the majesty of God (Pss.8, 19) and confesses his sin (Pss.32, 38). Eventually, however, David recognizes that the Torah foresaw a godly king for Israel, and he is now that king: ‘Behold, I come; in the scroll of the book, it is written of me’ (Ps.40:7 – 17; probably referring to Gen.17:6, 16, 49:8 – 12). David says in song that God has delivered him from his enemies so that he might reign on the throne (Ps.41:11 – 13).

Book 2: Psalms 42 – 72 reflect the actual reign of David. There are psalms of praise and thanksgiving that celebrate God as help, deliverer, and refuge. The Psalms of the sons of Korah (Pss.42 – 49) might reflect a choir that David installed in for service in the sanctuary when he was king. Psalm 45 celebrates the king’s marriage. Psalm 51 is David’s confession of sin and failure connected to Bathsheba and Uriah (2 Sam.12). The book ends with a psalm ascribed to Solomon, the immediate heir of David, and has allusions to the covenant God made with David in 2 Samuel 7. This section is also called ‘the Elohist Psalter’ because the name of God used most often is not ‘YHWH Elohim,’ the covenantal name of God, but ‘Elohim,’ the creational and universal name of God. This emphasis reflects the role of the Davidic king to lead the praise of all humanity to God.

Book 3: Psalms 73 – 89, the darkest section of the Psalms, reflect the tragic history of the Davidic royal line. Psalm 89 contrasts God’s promises to David’s royal line (89:1 – 37) with the decline and sinfulness of David’s house (89:38 – 51). As the kings sin, and as the people of Israel decline into sin and ruin, the promises of God offer Israel her only hope. The collection of Asaph’s Psalms (Pss.73 – 83) reflects Asaph the chief worship leader who accompanied David when he brought the ark to Jerusalem (1 Chr.16:5). This may be why Psalm 50, a Psalm of Asaph, is located in book two, which seems to represent the actual reign of David. However, Asaph’s sons led worship and prophesied under the direction of the king (1 Chr.25), so this collection of Psalms may reflect the institutionalization of worship at the temple under David’s heirs.

Book 4: Psalms 90 – 106 reflect Israel’s exile and a renewed focus on Moses and Torah. Moses’ voice is heard in Psalm 90, which suggests a reminder of the Sinai covenant which occurred long before a king had emerged in Israel (1 Sam.8), and suggests the wilderness wandering. David’s voice, meanwhile, is not heard. The section of Psalms 93 – 99 brings into focus the theme of God being the true king of Israel despite the waywardness of the people. The book ends with Psalm 106, which recounts God’s promises to regather the nation from exile.

Book 5: Psalms 107 – 150 reflect hopes for God to renew the covenant, restore the place of true worship, and bring people back to true observance of His relational vision and commands. God will regather Israel (Ps.107; note Mary quotes Ps.107:9 in Luke 1:53, because she signals her awareness that the messianic era is dawning). David’s line will be renewed (Pss.108 – 110). The observance of Torah within Israel will be renewed (Pss.112, 119). A new Temple will be built (Psalm 118). But this is not the doing of the first David, who was flawed and broken; it must be a new David, the Messiah (Pss.110; 138 – 145). That is one way to understand why the Psalter says that ‘the prayers of David son of Jesse are ended’ at the end of the second book (Ps.72:20), yet why the voice of ‘David’ reemerges in Psalm 110 and 138 – 145. Though, another way to understand the reemergence of ‘David’ is to note that the ascriptions of the Psalms could be dedications: ‘A Psalm to David’ (as the Hebrew word can be translated ‘of’ or ‘to’). So as the Songs of Ascent (Pss.120 – 134) were repeated by the Jews whenever they made their pilgrimage to Jerusalem, they were reminding themselves of these promises and giving voice to God’s own yearnings for the restoration of the Davidic house, Israel, and all creation.

Furthermore, the ‘compositional seams’ between the five books of the Psalms are (1) attributed to David, or (2) are about David, or (3) are reflections on God’s covenant promise to David:

Book 1: 1 – 2; 40 – 41

Book 2: 42; 72

Book 3: 73; 89

Book 4: 90; 106

Book 5: 107; 145 – 150
Reinforcing the division of the Book of Psalms into five units, each ‘book’ of the Psalms ends with a doxology, which serve as intermediate markers:

41:13 Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel,
From everlasting to everlasting.
Amen and Amen.



72:18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel,
Who alone works wonders.
19 And blessed be His glorious name forever;
And may the whole earth be filled with His glory.
Amen, and Amen.
20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.

89:52 Blessed be the LORD forever!
Amen and Amen.

106:48 Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel,
From everlasting even to everlasting.
And let all the people say, ‘Amen.’
Praise the LORD!

145:21 My mouth will speak the praise of the LORD,
And all flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever.
(Psalms 146 – 150 are praises)
The relationship between Psalm 2 and Psalm 22 is important in our study of the Gospels and the life of Jesus. Psalm 2 describes the anointing of the king from David’s house and corresponds to David’s own personal anointing. God quotes from Psalm 2 during the baptism of Jesus, to anoint Jesus with the Spirit to become king. But this anointing, for Jesus as for David, began his experience of facing very active opposition from the existing Jewish leadership to give birth to a kingdom movement prior to being enthroned. We will see that Jesus’ own quotation of Psalm 22:1 from the cross is part of his pre-enthronement experience. It is part of Jesus’ faithful response to being anointed by God to be king, while suffering at the hands of the Gentiles and the existing Jewish leadership.

The Book of Psalms and the Heir of David

The entirety of the Book of Psalms also draws our attention to the role of David’s messianic heir in gathering up the praise of all creation to God.

Psalms 1 and 2 as Beginning Bookend

  • Both Psalms conclude (1:6; 2:12) by referring to a ‘way’ that will cause human beings to ‘perish’ if they travel down it
  • Both Psalms speak of folly, either opposing the way of God (Psalm 1) or opposing God’s Messiah (Psalm 2)
  • Both Psalms speak of ‘meditating’ or ‘plotting’ (Ps.1:2, 2:1), which are the same word in Hebrew; and ‘sitting’ and ‘scoffing/laughing’ (Ps.1:1, 2:4)
  • The first word of Psalm 2 is ‘hina’ (so that), which suggests a continuation of ideas begun in Psalm 1
  • The Western manuscript family of the book of Acts includes a reference to Paul’s quotation of Psalm 2:7 in Acts 13:3. There, Luke refers to what is ‘written in the first Psalm’; which suggests that Psalms 1 and 2 were once recognized as one unified Psalm.
Psalms 146 – 150 as Ending Bookend

  • All end with ‘hallelujah,’ which calls together the praise of all creation to God
This literary and canonical approach to the Book of Psalms gives us two major lessons for exegesis and hermeneutics. First, the entire Book of Psalms, with all one hundred and fifty Psalms, needs to be considered whenever we are interpreting any individual Psalm. That is, the incorporation and placement of individual Psalms into the larger Book of Psalms is important. Doing piecemeal exegesis on an individual Psalm is vital but not enough.

Second, thematic development within the Book of Psalms is significant for the treatment of other themes, especially themes related to the Christian doctrines of atonement and mission. Take, for example, the thematic treatment of ‘enemies’ in the Psalms. Who is an ‘enemy’? Certainly many Psalmists take the perspective of calling other people ‘enemies of God.’ Yet, David recognized in Psalm 51 that he, too, was also an ‘enemy of God’ because of his own sinfulness. Does that affect how we read his imprecatory Psalms when he calls down God’s judgment on his enemies? A literary and canonical approach strongly suggests that it should. The implication is that we are all beloved by God, and yet because of the corruption of our human nature, we at times oppose and resist God as well (Ps.51:5 – 8). That part of us that needs to be defeated, then, God will indeed defeat. So we say with David, ‘Create in me a clean heart, renew a right spirit in me’ (Ps.51:10 – 11).

By saying this, we attest and confess that our creational identity as bearers of God’s image is more fundamental than our resistance towards God. While most individual Psalms do not do this, the Book of Psalms as a whole, does. If the kings, judges, and peoples of the Gentiles are commanded to do homage to the kingly Son of Psalm 2 (Ps.2:10 – 12), then they are also commanded to walk in ‘the way’ of the righteous, not ‘the way’ of the wicked (Ps.1:6, 2:12). And they too will also be gathered from exile by God (Ps.107). Psalm 107, the first psalm of the final collection, arranged to reflect the impact of the messiah and quoted as such by Mary and Luke, says, curiously:

‘He sent His word and healed them,

And delivered them from their destructions/pits’ (Ps.107:20)
God will restore people from exile through and around the heir of David, who, though he will suffer a devastating betrayal (Ps.109), will nevertheless be crowned as the Lord of David (Ps.110). His people will become a just and generous community (Ps.112), a new temple community (Ps.118) in which the law of the Lord is taught (Ps.119), sin is forgiven because the damage we have done to our image-of-God selves is healed (Ps.130). Remarkably, our iniquities will be undone as we are redeemed from them (Ps.130:7 – 8), which is a medical-ontological paradigm because we will become as children again (Ps.131); we will be co-heirs with this son of David on his throne, sharing in his royal sonship, and possibly even be God’s new resting place (Ps.132); we will live in unity (Ps.133); the presence of God on earth will be renewed (Ps.134); God will fulfill His covenant promise to renew His creational blessing (Ps.135); God’s goodness and lovingkindness will resound (Ps.136); the exile will be a distant memory (Ps.137); God will sustain and not forsake the work of His hands (Ps.138), which is shown especially by a renewed appreciation for being created in God’s image (Ps.139), including our willingness to be internally cleansed (Ps.139:23 – 24).

Israel’s greatest creed will be repurposed for a new relation between God and all creation. What began in Exodus 34:6 – 7 as:

‘The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious,

slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth;

who keeps lovingkindness for thousands,

who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin;

yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished,

visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children

and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations’ (Ex.34:6 – 7)
becomes:

8 The Lord is gracious and merciful;

Slow to anger and great in lovingkindness.

9 The Lord is good to all,

And His mercies are over all His works…

14 The Lord upholds all who are falling

and raises up all who are bowed down.

17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways

and kind in all his works.

18 The Lord is near to all who call on him,

to all who call on him in truth.

19 He fulfills the desire of those who fear him;

he also hears their cry and saves them.

20 The Lord preserves all who love him,

but all the wicked he will destroy. (Ps.145:8 – 9, 14, 17 – 20)
Israel’s exile of three to four generations will be over, and the brunt of that exile, which was endured in Babylon by those later generations on no account of themselves, will be finished. So perhaps the particularity of the Sinai covenant itself will end, leaving simply God’s goodness to all, with healing offered to all through the judgment of God upon the corruption of sin in us. As Moses foresaw, God will circumcise the hearts of people after Israel’s exile (Dt.30:6). And as David foresaw, God will have to give us a cleansed heart (Ps.51:10). He will raise up that which has fallen. God’s goodness to all is shown precisely in His wrath against the corruption of sin in us, because of His love for us as human beings. When God destroys the wicked (as in ‘utterly defeats,’ not ‘annihilates into non-existence’), it will not be because their parents brought negative consequences on them, but because people will personally reject the goodness God offers. Even without jumping ahead into the New Testament, a literary approach to the Book of Psalms already strongly suggests that God’s goodness is offered chiefly through a healed and perfected human heart that loves Him.

David’s heir will gather our praise to God, as our worship leader (Ps.148:11 – 12). His people will be sent out across the world in praise (Ps.149), with the two-edged sword of his praise in their mouths, to execute a form of divine vengeance among the nations, which should now be interpreted within the Book of Psalms as demanding the repentance of all, and severing the people from their allegiances to their rulers, in favor of David’s heir. This will pointedly reverse the desires of those rulers to sever themselves from the kingly authority God granted to David (Ps.2:1 – 3; 8 – 12). It will fulfill God’s promise to His royal Son to make the nations his inheritance.

Hence, the canonical editor(s) who arranged the Book of Psalms looked ahead to the cleansing of human nature itself by the word/Word of God, offered to all humanity and not just the Jewish community, and connects this with its prophetic hope in the messiah from David’s house.

We are now ready to see how Jesus used Psalm 22, not just in isolation, but as part of the entire pre-enthronement story of David, to help us understand his identity. On to the next post!https://newhumanityinstitute.wordpr...inst-or-away-from-him-new-humanity-institute/

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