Rockson
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Hahaha......I think my computer program underscores red lines for spelling and green lines for grammar so I think the correct consensus is the two are different.
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So then he came by the grace of God. The same grace that allows you to take your next breath.
So when your teacher corrected your grammar in English class she never pointed out your misspelled words? I hope it was a school of 1.
TibiasDad
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Spelling in and of itself is not grammar which is the rules of proper writing.
I had spelling tests and grammar tests and they were never the same thing.
Doug
Spelling is proper writing. Where I went to school.
TibiasDad
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Who said they were?
TibiasDad
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Spelling is not a rule of grammar, it is a rule of vocabulary. Grammar is the proper way of using words in relation to each other so as to communicate clearly the message we seek to convey.
Doug
civic
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civic
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Ditto even when they are shown to be wrong about things outside of theology they still live in De Nile
TibiasDad
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You did by saying “So then he came by the grace of God.” To seek for something is not to come to something. You seek to find; once something is found, the decision to go to/come to has to be made. The negation of “coming” or going to a particular finding brings us back to seeking, or at least whether we continue to seek or just give up.
Doug
TibiasDad
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The purpose of God, according to Paul, for the entirety of the actions in verse 26, was to effect men seeking, reaching out for and finding God. And I think the last clause means that a) this endeavoring of man to seek God should not be a difficult task, for God isn’t hiding from us and is close at hand, and b) that there isn’t a single individual for which this purpose of God isn’t applicable or true with respect to them.
I recall the Calvinistic banter on CARM calling us to show one verse where God talks about loving or wanting to save ‘every single individual’. This is the most specifically stated verse that I’ve ever read to indicate the truth that God does love every single one of us. There were a lot of crickets in response to my putting forth this verse to answer them.
Doug
In all sincerity....Thanks, now I know, never have used the word, but then again, I'm a simple person~“Sans” means without! There is no life/regeneration sans the Holy Spirit. Happy to have expanded your vocabulary!
Doug
I'm an average guy at best.......on my good days. It took me two years to get out of sandbox, but once going, I made it to the end~or as far as I wanted to go.
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Doug, scripture must be understood as a cohesive whole, so going backward to Genesis where there is very little doctrine yet to be develop, as when it is in the beginning of the churches epistles, such as Romans, where the many doctrines are taught and expanded upon throughout the rest of the epistles to the churches to whom God would make known the mysteries of His truths.
So, by reading mainly the NT, (certain OT saints had knowledge, but limited, and not to the degree we have it in the NT) we see what made the difference between Abel and Cain, and it was not flesh and blood that made this different., but the grace of God to one and not to the other.
Example would be Jacob and Esau~where in the NT Paul expanded upon this truth, so that men might know that salvation from sin and condemnation is not to him that willeth, or him that runneth, but of God, that shows mercy to whom He will and whom he will He hardeneth~not that God works in men's hearts to harden them, but he just leaves them to THEMSELVES and they are naturally harden by the own depraved hearts received from Adam.
I'll be more than happy to go to Romans 9 and expound upon this more in depth with you, if you would like to do so.
This is funny!
Amen, he's was coming regardless the way we were raised!
I remember back in the very early seventies just before i came to know Christ~I had a friend who was a Catholic, and asked me to go with him and his wife to their son's baptism. I said sure I'll go. Now My friend and I were sinners and ran together doing the same things, but I was not raise in a church or had been in years.
So I went there and the priest came and I stood beside Larry, and the Priest looked at me and asked was I a Catholic? I said I'm nothing but a sinner! He said you cannot be here and watched this, to which I said okay, I'll leave. But my friend insisted that I stay and the Priest allowed it. That was around late 71 or early 72~I came to the faith in 74~and joined a small independent Baptist Church which I soon left after two years or so ended up without a church in the early eighties, because of coming to more of the knowledge of the truth concerning God's election of grace, a cursed doctrine in most churches here on the buckle of if the bible belt~Greenville S.C.
Thank God He shows mercy to me a sinner!
civic
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What church denomination did you end up in ?
TibiasDad
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It’s an old word, and I’m old.In all sincerity....Thanks, now I know, never have used the word, but then again, I'm a simple person~
Doug
Mr civic. none~we left organized rellgion the first time around forty years ago~then for good around twelve years ago.
We have always been Baptistic in our understanding and teachings, but more so, Particular Baptist that was popular in England 1500/1600 hundred, and somewhat during the 1700 by men like John Gill and John Brine, except for their exacthology.
Now which one are you, if I may ask. How about Mr. Rockson and Mr. Tom, if you know?
But, let it be known, we believe that God has children in different mainline sects, EXCEPT for Mormons, JW, Islamic, and others like them that worship others gods, or, denies some of the cardinal truths concerning Christ.
Even though he has children in them, it does not mean we should be part of them and partakers of their sins, errors. 2nd Timothy 3:1-4:5.
civic
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I started out as a youth confirmed at 12 in the Lutheran church. I was not born again until I was 20. In between in high-school while dating her daughter I attended a dutch reformed church where my future mother in law attended right around the corner from her house. The pastor was very nice and I liked him. So after I was saved I started attending his church and was discipled by him and we use to run together 5 miles several times a week. At that time my girlfriend was still catholic in her faith. I remained a calvinist for the next 4 decades. In between after I was married and my wife became a believer we started attending a CMA ( christian missionary alliance church ) where I served, got involved in mens discipleship, served as an elder and was discipled by the pastor who was my next door neighbor who taught Greek and Hebrew in seminary. He taught me Greek one on one for 2 years. After we moved from the SF Bay Area to the Central Valley in California we started going to a non denominational church where we still attend and I do mens discipleship and lead small groups in the home. My son in law was the associate pastor there who is leaving for the mission field in August to Ecuador. Both my wife and daughter served there as the childrens director of ministry for the past 20 years. Thats in it a nutshell.
Thank you, for your time in giving your short timeline of your journey. The Lord be with you. Are you seeking a job, or have you found one yet?I started out as a youth confirmed at 12 in the Lutheran church. I was not born again until I was 20. In between in high-school while dating her daughter I attended a dutch reformed church where my future mother in law attended right around the corner from her house. The pastor was very nice and I liked him. So after I was saved I started attending his church and was discipled by him and we use to run together 5 miles several times a week. At that time my girlfriend was still catholic in her faith. I remained a calvinist for the next 4 decades. In between after I was married and my wife became a believer we started attending a CMA ( christian missionary alliance church ) where I served, got involved in mens discipleship, served as an elder and was discipled by the pastor who was my next door neighbor who taught Greek and Hebrew in seminary. He taught me Greek one on one for 2 years. After we moved from the SF Bay Area to the Central Valley in California we started going to a non denominational church where we still attend and I do mens discipleship and lead small groups in the home. My son in law was the associate pastor there who is leaving for the mission field in August to Ecuador. Both my wife and daughter served there as the childrens director of ministry for the past 20 years. Thats in it a nutshell.
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