Valdres Urgent Prophecy

FutureAndAHope said:
What is the book called and who is the author to save you some expense I will buy it on Amazon, if I feel it is for me.
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Let' me address this matter of "if I feel it is for me" because I can tell you right now you are not going to like the book. That book is a blunt confrontation of the lies modern futurists have been telling for two centuries and the author is very direct. You, me, Christians, are not supposed to be living our lives based on feelings, either. The reason I recommend the book is because of the author's directness and the plethora of factual information provided about the false teachers of modern futurism. I do not expect any modern futurist to like it. I do hope those seeking the truth have not been so corrupted by modern futurism that they are seared from seeing the truth when exposed to it. I recommend the book because it will take the personal contest between your posts and mine out of the equation. You can throw the book away after reading it but you will not be able to argue with the author as you do with me.

I used to be a modern futurist, @FutureAndAHope.

I remember what it was like to suddenly realize everything I'd been taught about end times was wrong. It's not a good feeling. I'm sure you've had other previous occasions where you realized that something you previously believed turned out not to be correct. If those experiences have happened then you and I both know you can and will survive this occasion, too. God is faithful, even to those who misunderstand. Most of the epistolary is about correcting Christians.

Faithful are the wounds of a friend.

I don't go looking for your posts and I am not following you around from forum to forum, seeking you out, singling you out just so I can be confrontational or mean. I am telling you as a friend, a brother in Christ, someone who, like you, seeks to be obedient to our Lord and Savior, that there is something wrong with your ops.

The book, "Last Days Madness" by Gary Demar is a very direct treatment of those in our era who speculate about end times. It is because I know you may not like the book that I am willing to pay for it on the condition you will read it from cover to cover. You do not have to tell me anything personal other than your name and zip code. I can send the book general delivery to the post office near you, and you can pick it up there. That information can be PMed to me so it's not public, and I will delete it once received. You won't be the first person with whom I have done this, and I doubt you'll be the last. Otherwise, by the book and read it. Try not to let your opposing viewpoint get in the way of understanding the facts he has written about. I'm not asking you to switch over to Demar's eschatology. Just give consideration to what's written about the false teachings of modern futurists and the practices they use to keep their followers.
 
FutureAndAHope said:
I don't believe she is saying the rapture will come before this event. But rather the two events "the return of Jesus", and the "War" will happen in close proximity.
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The decline , the falling away has led them to the delusion of a lie now . and more and more get on that path
as hand joins with hand in every denomination and every other religoin .
Interfaith has led to this . I KNEW It would too .
JESUS THE CHRIST has been DENIED . i repeat has been DENIED
as now the main leaders of interfiath who are seated under the HARLOT
cries aloud to all , the christain truth is no better than the muslim truth or any other religoins truth .
ITS HERE . the DELUSION TO BELIEVE THE LIE unto all who rejected the love of the truth is building fast now .
THE TRUE GOSPEL has been replaced with a LIE and false love that has DENIED GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS of TRUTH
and has offered up a olive branch of what it believes will lead them all to world peace n safety .
I repeat JESUS has been DENIED . He who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON , calls GOD a liar .
BUT now that has been omitted . as a new and very broad sin accepting many path accepting version of love
is fast to replace the LOVE OF GOD . This love has come of the world under the guise its of GOD . But it is not of GOD .
GOD testifies of , THE SPIRIT testifes of JESUS THE CHRIST , NOT SOME BROAD PATH that any religoin is on
no matter what they believe . ITS ALL A LIE .
HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST is anti christ . but today message calls that A LIE and says IT matters not
everyones religoins truth is no better than the others . JESUS IS GETTING DENIED and many seem to love to have this so .
 
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY said:
The decline , the falling away has led them to the delusion of a lie now . and more and more get on that path
as hand joins with hand in every denomination and every other religoin .
Interfaith has led to this . I KNEW It would too .
JESUS THE CHRIST has been DENIED . i repeat has been DENIED
as now the main leaders of interfiath who are seated under the HARLOT
cries aloud to all , the christain truth is no better than the muslim truth or any other religoins truth .
ITS HERE . the DELUSION TO BELIEVE THE LIE unto all who rejected the love of the truth is building fast now .
THE TRUE GOSPEL has been replaced with a LIE and false love that has DENIED GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS of TRUTH
and has offered up a olive branch of what it believes will lead them all to world peace n safety .
I repeat JESUS has been DENIED . He who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON , calls GOD a liar .
BUT now that has been omitted . as a new and very broad sin accepting many path accepting version of love
is fast to replace the LOVE OF GOD . This love has come of the world under the guise its of GOD . But it is not of GOD .
GOD testifies of , THE SPIRIT testifes of JESUS THE CHRIST , NOT SOME BROAD PATH that any religoin is on
no matter what they believe . ITS ALL A LIE .
HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST is anti christ . but today message calls that A LIE and says IT matters not
everyones religoins truth is no better than the others . JESUS IS GETTING DENIED and many seem to love to have this so .
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JoshebB said:
Then what is the purpose of this op?

What does "close" mean... specifically? What exactly do you mean when using the word "close"? Is one week close? Is a month close? How about a year; does a year qualify as close? Three years? Five? a Decade? A score? Three score? A century? What exactly do you mean when using the word "close"?

What do you mean by "the End"? The end of what?


Again, please be specific with the answers to the questions just asked.
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A month - 10 years. In my opinion. "The End" = the end of life, the end of our time.

To me it really depends what part of the Book of Revelation we are in, and which of the events it could refer to:

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Rev 6:8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

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Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

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Rev 18:8-10 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'
 
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JoshebB said:
The book, "Last Days Madness" by Gary Demar is a very direct treatment of those in our era who speculate about end times. It is because I know you may not like the book that I am willing to pay for it on the condition you will read it from cover to cover. You do not have to tell me anything personal other than your name and zip code. I can send the book general delivery to the post office near you, and you can pick it up there.
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I have already purchased the book from the publisher, they had a PDF version. I put a post earlier, that shows why I don't believe Demar's version of the Abomination of Desolation.

 
FutureAndAHope said:
:) don't worry I already have one of those.
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He who makes His stand upon the ROCK , CHRIST JESUS shall withstand and overcome the great flood
of the delusion of the inclusion of intefaith , that which is of anti christ , and has come in under the guise it is of GOD and is His love .
They will not buy the lie but rejoice in THE TRUTH alone .
But he or she who joins hand in unity and finds common ground through interfaith will at their end wail
as they are told , Depart from me i never knew you , ye who served that which came of anti christ to merge this world
as one under a lie . beware of this movement . Join not hands with it or with any who partakes of its common ground .
For he who does so has entered into covenant with death . beware it , its all over the places now .
 
FutureAndAHope said:
This is generally true, and I don't think it is wrong to pray that kind of prayer. When I heard the prophecy, I immediately began praying for God's mercy. But I wonder if it is a fixed judgment. The woman seemed to think so. In revelation, there are various judgments, that can never be turned around leading to the end.
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what we are witnessing is an unrepentant world that rather than repenting hardens its heart TO GOD .
There was always coming a time when the vast majority would not repent but rather would get worse .
What we are witnessing is the effects of when a nation and a world
wanted no reminder of GOD in its conscious anymore . REPROBATION has set in
and now its even considered hateful and judgmental to corrrect confusion of minds .
When i was but a wee young man , though this evil has always been in the world , in large it was rejected
and seen as mental or etc . But now when man is with man as with a woman
it is called love . And it got worse , now what used to be termed mentally ill , OR by the church was totally reprobate
Is now called good . and the peoples now support and celebrate and even honor one who believes themself to be the opposite sex .
And if a man dare to correct , he makes himself a prey to some serious teeth .
REPROBATION HAS SET IN .
And even as THEY DID NOT like to RETAIN GOD in their conscious , SO HE GAVE THEM OVER to a reprobate mind to do such things
 
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY said:
He who makes His stand upon the ROCK , CHRIST JESUS shall withstand and overcome the great flood
of the delusion of the inclusion of intefaith , that which is of anti christ , and has come in under the guise it is of GOD and is His love .
They will not buy the lie but rejoice in THE TRUTH alone .
But he or she who joins hand in unity and finds common ground through interfaith will at their end wail
as they are told , Depart from me i never knew you , ye who served that which came of anti christ to merge this world
as one under a lie . beware of this movement . Join not hands with it or with any who partakes of its common ground .
For he who does so has entered into covenant with death . beware it , its all over the places now .
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Yes, I believe this is happening. I was watching David Wilkerson on video, he had a series of visions, where he stated what you are saying above. That there will arise a false church, that persecutes the real one.
 
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY said:
what we are witnessing is an unrepentant world that rather than repenting hardens its heart TO GOD .
There was always coming a time when the vast majority would not repent but rather would get worse .
What we are witnessing is the effects of when a nation and a world
wanted no reminder of GOD in its conscious anymore . REPROBATION has set in
and now its even considered hateful and judgmental to corrrect confusion of minds .
When i was but a wee young man , though this evil has always been in the world , in large it was rejected
and seen as mental or etc . But now when man is with man as with a woman
it is called love . And it got worse , now what used to be termed mentally ill , OR by the church was totally reprobate
Is now called good . and the peoples now support and celebrate and even honor one who believes themself to be the opposite sex .
And if a man dare to correct , he makes himself a prey to some serious teeth .
REPROBATION HAS SET IN .
And even as THEY DID NOT like to RETAIN GOD in their conscious , SO HE GAVE THEM OVER to a reprobate mind to do such things
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Yes, the world is certainly polarising.
 
FutureAndAHope said:
This is generally true, and I don't think it is wrong to pray that kind of prayer. When I heard the prophecy, I immediately began praying for God's mercy. But I wonder if it is a fixed judgment. The woman seemed to think so. In revelation, there are various judgments, that can never be turned around leading to the end.
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WE seeing IT right now and it will get worse . now while we will still see individuals repenting and coming to Christ
the overall world and sadly most of christendom will stay this course and on this course
their hatred agaisnt truth will only increase .
Now what does hate lead too . murder . What will soon follow will be
the call to rid this earth of anything , AND I MEAN PEOPLE , who do not conform but rather stay the course in CHRIST .
Massive and great tribulation and persecutions will be upon EVEN THE WESTERN socities against the true lambs who did not
and would not conform .
Do you realize what else has occured . We now have a system in place and is operational and ready
to be enforced . THE DIGITAL system . wherein if one complies not , THEY WILL BE UNABLE TO BUY OR SELL .
and guess what will lead it . THE AI system . and guess what AI can produce
A TALKING IMAGE that can speak ANY language . And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast
that the image COULD SPEAK
when nebb had set up this giant image that was nine feet wide and nintey feet high
THAT Image could not speak . BUT THIS IMAGE CAN and it will RUN the digital system .
and he causes all both small and great poor and rich ..........
Beware its all coming to pass right in front of our faces , ONLY MOST CANNOT SEE NOR DISCERN
 
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY said:
WE seeing IT right now and it will get worse . now while we will still see individuals repenting and coming to Christ
the overall world and sadly most of christendom will stay this course and on this course
their hatred agaisnt truth will only increase .
Now what does hate lead too . murder . What will soon follow will be
the call to rid this earth of anything , AND I MEAN PEOPLE , who do not conform but rather stay the course in CHRIST .
Massive and great tribulation and persecutions will be upon EVEN THE WESTERN socities against the true lambs who did not
and would not conform .
Do you realize what else has occured . We now have a system in place and is operational and ready
to be enforced . THE DIGITAL system . wherein if one complies not , THEY WILL BE UNABLE TO BUY OR SELL .
and guess what will lead it . THE AI system . and guess what AI can produce
A TALKING IMAGE that can speak ANY language . And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast
that the image COULD SPEAK
when nebb had set up this giant image that was nine feet wide and nintey feet high
THAT Image could not speak . BUT THIS IMAGE CAN and it will RUN the digital system .
and he causes all both small and great poor and rich ..........
Beware its all coming to pass right in front of our faces , ONLY MOST CANNOT SEE NOR DISCERN
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I have heard these things, and am lead to believe them.
 
FutureAndAHope said:
I have already purchased the book from the publisher, they had a PDF version. I put a post earlier, that shows why I don't believe Demar's version of the Abomination of Desolation.

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This conversation is about the "Valdres Urgent Prophecy". This conversation is not about the abomination of desolation. People within Christian modern futurism have been making predictions and prophecies for the last 200 years, calling all of it "urgent" and "close," but not a single prediction or prognostication has ever come true. Not one. Every single prognosticator has been incorrect. The have ALL been, in the vernacular of scripture, false teachers when it comes to end times predictions, prognostications, and prophecies.

Please do not get distracted. Read Demar for what he says about those false teachers, not his views on the AoD.
FutureAndAHope said:
A month - 10 years. In my opinion. "The End" = the end of life, the end of our time.
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Let me make sure I am understanding those two statements correctly.

The word "close" can be used to indicate a period of time ranging anywhere from one month away to a decade away. Do I have that correct?
Life is going to end sometime between a month from now (November 14th, 2023) and a decade from now (October 14, 2025). Do I have that correct?
The end of "our time" is going to end no later than November 14, 2025. Do I have that correct?

Simple yesses will suffice if I have correctly understood the opening statements of Post #26. If I haven't correctly understood what was posted, then please re-state what you mean by "close," and when the end will come. Thank you
 
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JoshebB said:
This conversation is about the "Valdres Urgent Prophecy". This conversation is not about the abomination of desolation. People within Christian modern futurism have been making predictions and prophecies for the last 200 years, calling all of it "urgent" and "close," but not a single prediction or prognostication has ever come true. Not one. Every single prognosticator has been incorrect. The have ALL been, in the vernacular of scripture, false teachers when it comes to end times predictions, prognostications, and prophecies.

Please do not get distracted. Read Demar for what he says about those false teachers, not his views on the AoD.

Let me make sure I am understanding those two statements correctly.

The word "close" can be used to indicate a period of time ranging anywhere from one month away to a decade away. Do I have that correct?
Life is going to end sometime between a month from now (November 14th, 2023) and a decade from now (October 14, 2025). Do I have that correct?
The end of "our time" is going to end no later than November 14, 2025. Do I have that correct?

Simple yesses will suffice if I have correctly understood the opening statements of Post #26. If I haven't correctly understood what was posted, then please re-state what you mean by "close," and when the end will come. Thank you
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No I don't mean life is going to end in a month - 10 years, I mean the Valdres Prophecy could occur between those times. There are still many things that need to happen before the very end.
 
FutureAndAHope said:
No I don't mean life is going to end in a month - 10 years, I mean the Valdres Prophecy could occur between those times.
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Okay. Thank you for that clarification and correction. The Valdres prophecy will occur sometime within the next ten years, even though all of it has already come true.

That is what you have said.

Does that make sense to you when you read me repeating it back to you?


FutureAndAHope said:
all of the events she predicted have come to pass
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FutureAndAHope said:
for the prophecy "everything" she said has come to pass
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All of the events she has predicted have come to pass and for the prophecy everything has come to pass. The Valdres Prophecy could occur between those times (between one month and ten years.


Does this make sense to you when you read me repeating it back to you?
 
JoshebB said:
Okay. Thank you for that clarification and correction. The Valdres prophecy will occur sometime within the next ten years, even though all of it has already come true.

That is what you have said.

Does that make sense to you when you read me repeating it back to you?

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All of the events she has predicted have come to pass and for the prophecy everything has come to pass. The Valdres Prophecy could occur between those times (between one month and ten years.


Does this make sense to you when you read me repeating it back to you?
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I am talking about the final prediction, the Nuclear part. All of her past predictions have come true. The Nuclear part is all that is left to be fulfilled.
 
FutureAndAHope said:
I am talking about the final prediction, the Nuclear part. All of her past predictions have come true. The Nuclear part is all that is left to be fulfilled.
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You mean the completely irrational part?

Was any consideration given to what I posted about nuclear war? If even a small portion of the nuclear weapons were employed, it would destroy the entire planet as we now know it and all life on earth would eventually cease to exist. Aside from the fact that an unending nuclear war is an oxymoron, the reality of a nuclear war that includes (but is not limited to), "America, Europa, Australia, Japan" (which is what the prophecy claims) is the loss of all life on the planet. There is no fleeing an atomic explosion. The assertion "The air, water and earth is poisoned and ruined" is a gross understatement! All life on the planet would cease to exist.

There would be no one to save from sin and death.




This is like those people who read Revelation's mentions of stars falling to earth (Rev. 6:13, and Rev. 8:12, and Rev. 12:4) literally. Their failure to correctly read and understand those verses leads them to create a logical impossibility. Scripture is never logically impossible. If even one single star ever collided with this planet the impact would totally destroy the earth. The entire planet would be smashed into pieces. Its orbit would cease to exist, and the pieces of the planet would be pushed either closer to the sun, or further from the sun. If there were any survivors on any of the pieces (highly improbable) they all die from exposure.



A similar reality exists with a nuclear war that includes at least four of the seven continents. If the explosions don't kill everyone, the radiation will, and those the radiation doesn't kill the sudden devastating lethal loss of the ecosystem will. That part of the prophecy you think is yet to happen is the most unrealistic portion of the prophecy!!!

And Post #39 does not actually answer the question I asked. I asked about the very real contradictions between one of your posts and another. It's irrational to say X and Not-X exist. All the prophecies cannot have come true if even one has not come true. I am not being unkind when I point out the contradiction. I am simply observing the facts in evidence and if it prompts defensiveness then that's not on me and it is not me criticizing you personally. Serious changes in the reasoning employed in this thread is warranted.



Let me also broach another very relevant point that every Christian should abide. They are called the principles of original audience affiliation and the original meaning. Scripture was not written specifically to people living 2000 years from when the text was written. It was written to people who were living at the time of the writing. Most of it was also written about those who were living at that time. It is only by extension any of the words in the Bible have application to latter generations of people. Furthermore, scripture was written to be understood. By definition, revelation is a revealing. God revealing His words, His plans and purposes, is a revealing, not a hiding. God had those He inspired to reveal knowledge to those living in the time they were reading, and He did so in a manner that could have been understood by that readership. To say otherwise is to say scripture is meaningless for those people. Therefore, whenever we ready anything in scripture, the very first rules we should follow is to 1) identify the audience and 2) understand the text as the original author and his original readers would have understood what they were reading. This is Basic Exegesis 101. You can look up any hermeneutic, any list of basic exegetical principles and find this espoused. It does not matter what doctrinal orientation the person has, the basic principles of exegesis, the basic principles of scripture interpretation must be followed. In this case.....


There is simply no way in heaven or earth the first century readers would have ever thought of nuclear weapons.





What will you do when a worldwide nuclear war has not occurred within the next ten years? Will you stick with the same people who lied to you, or will you ditch what they taught you to think and reapproach scripture knowing what they taught was untrue? Or will you abandon Christianity altogether (modern futurism's chronic false prognostications have caused many to fall away)?
 

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