The Issue of Limited Atonement

[jeremiah1five]

That is your attitude, which is contrary to and disrespectful to the word of God.

as was shown

Consider it disrespectful to someone who says a wrong thing about the One True God.
Your interpretation of NT text is wrong thing(s.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Thats a shame you rejoice in race worship

King of the JEWS.

King of the whites.

King of the blacks.

King of the Mexican.

Think about it.

 

[TomL]

Consider it disrespectful to someone who says a wrong thing about the One True God.
Your interpretation of NT text is wrong thing(s.)

You failed to show any such thing, and you must ignore scripture from both the Old and New Testaments.

What was below was one such example (slight modification)

Sorry, "world" does not mean "elect," or Jews and you have posted no passage that shows that

World may be those who are hostile to God and it may also be all people

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Christ died for all.

Hebrews 2:9 (LEB) — 9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Christ died for everyone, all and this defines the word world for which Christ is a savior.

A ransom for all, as God desires the salvation of all people

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

He was therefore making propitiation for all the world's sin

1 John 2:2 (LEB) — 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ is therefore a savior for all the world

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

Christ is the savior of all people, believers and unbelievers, in that he died for all, and all may be saved through faith

All people, believers and nonbelievers, together equal the world.

Now you ignore the fact this was already addressed, and those first prayed for are his men in service

And that afterwards he prays for all who believe based upon their testimony

John 17:20–23 (LEB) — 20 “And I do not ask on behalf of these only, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they all may be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, in order that they may be one, just as we are one—23 I in them, and you in me, in order that they may be completed in one, so that the world may know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.

And Christ's desire is that both be one so that

in order that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, in order that they may be one, just as we are one—23 I in them, and you in me, in order that they may be completed in one, so that the world may know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.

The law never saved anyone

Romans 3:21–30 (LEB) — 21 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified about by the law and the prophets—22 that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins, 26 in the forbearance of God, for the demonstration of his righteousness in the present time, so that he should be just and the one who justifies the person by faith in Jesus. 27 Therefore, where is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, also of the Gentiles, 30 since God is one, who will justify those who are circumcised by faith and those who are uncircumcised through faith.

Your beliefs are clearly not biblical and have been refuted over and over

 

[TomL]

Grace Salvation has to do with Election of Grace, even Faith is of Grace

We have seen grace may not accomplish what is desired.

2 Corinthians 6:1 (LEB) — 1 Now because we are fellow workers, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Hebrews 12:15 (LEB) — 15 Take care that no one falls short of the grace of God; that no one growing up like a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Jude 4For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:4 (LEB) — 4 You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.

Hebrews 10:29 (LEB) — 29 How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace?

Faith is left up to men who may or may not believe.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You failed to show any such thing, and you must ignore scripture from both the Old and New Testaments.



All people, believers and nonbelievers, together equal the world.

It is BECAUSE I understand the Sovereignty of God that I understand the words and writings of the New Covenant Scripture. I see God as Scripture describes Him and that is being Sovereign over, above, and separate from creation. In other words, I see God through the eyes of God; you see God through the eyes of man. THAT is why we disagree.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We have seen grace may not accomplish what is desired.

2 Corinthians 6:1 (LEB) — 1 Now because we are fellow workers, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Hebrews 12:15 (LEB) — 15 Take care that no one falls short of the grace of God; that no one growing up like a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Jude 4For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:4 (LEB) — 4 You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.

Hebrews 10:29 (LEB) — 29 How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace?

Faith is left up to men who may or may not believe.

Your last line explains why we disagree.
I see God as Sovereign over Creation. You see God as all things being equal.

 

[Doug Brents]

The Holy Spirit that was promised to Israel came down from God and Jews were being saved, NOT GENTILES.

When Peter stands up to speak he is addressing Jews NOT GENTILES because there are NO GENTILES participating in the Jewish Feast of Harvest.

When Peter opens his mouth to speak, he is addressing the twelve tribes of Israel who have gathered from all over the Roman Empire - as commanded by God - and the Holy Spirit is affecting JEWS - not Gentiles.

In the first few years of the Church, you are correct. But after the first three to five years of the Church (after the Pentecost right after Jesus ascended), Peter was sent to Cornelius (a Gentile) to bring the Gospel of salvation to him and his family. This is the first (but certainly not the last) Gentile brought into the Church under the New Covenant. From then on, Gentiles were regularly brought into the Church.

God tells Moses to "write things in a book."
God tells His prophets to "write things in a book."

But where does God tell Gentiles to gather letters by Jews and to make a new book and call it a "New Testament"?

LOL, Where are we told that God enumerated every command He gave to His Prophets and Apostles?

And God did not tell them to compile their letters into a single volume and call it a "New Testament". The term "New Testament" (also read New Covenant) is to contrast it with the Old Covenant (the covenant that began with Abraham, was renewed with Isaac, Jacob, and Moses). Each of the letters, Gospels, and prophecies in the NT (New Testament) are separate and distinct from the others, just as the books of the OT (Old Testament) are, but they cross reference, cite, and quote from each other indicating a unifying authorship through them all.

Gentiles made the New Testament. They take certain letters by Jewish Christians and make a book and give it man's authority and change everything these Jews wrote about that took place among Jews and make it apply to Gentiles.

Gentiles don't need to change anything in those letters. God wrote in them that the Gentiles are accepted in His Church (Acts 10, Eph 2) (not Jer1five's church). You don't get to make the call on who is and who isn't allowed under the New Covenant.

THAT'S the interpretation of these Jewish letters and testimonies by Jewish Christians about a man the Jews called the King of the Jews and make Jesus king of the Gentiles, that God loves Gentiles, that God is going to save Gentiles during a war in which God Himself gathers the Gentile nations to war against Israel and you're going to tell me God loves these Gentiles that are killing His Chosen people, these Gentiles that are raping Jewish women, these Gentiles?

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

The Jews know who their enemy are. It was the Romans that put the King of the Jews to death.
The Jews know their enemy.

The Romans put Him to death, but the Jews demanded it. The Roman governor was ready to release Jesus, but the Jews called for His blood. Don't go changing the story to fit with your preconceptions.

 

[TomL]

It is BECAUSE I understand the Sovereignty of God that I understand the words and writings of the New Covenant Scripture. I see God as Scripture describes Him and that is being Sovereign over, above, and separate from creation. In other words, I see God through the eyes of God; you see God through the eyes of man. THAT is why we disagree.

Sorry, the actual scriptures do not support your theology.

You have ignored multiple times the word of God.

Further, I see God according to his word, which, as noted, you are often found ignoring.

 

[TomL]

Your last line explains why we disagree.
I see God as Sovereign over Creation. You see God as all things being equal.

Once again, your beliefs are contrary to scripture

Men are told to believe

Acts 16:31 (LEB) — 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

yet men can refuse to believe

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 3:36The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life—but the wrath of God remains on him.
Disobedience here is refusing to believe.

And it is not disobedience if not told to believe.
John 3:18The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

Yet other contrary to your theology words of scripture.

Also

Romans 1:16–17 (LEB) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For the righteousness of God is revealed in it from faith to faith, just as it is written, “But the one who is righteous by faith will live.”

Not only that, you make false statements regarding my theology.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you ignore the point.

Grace does not determine who will believe and be saved





Yet all are not saved.

Your argument that grace is determinative is not correct.

Do you believe in salvation by grace ? Then it has to be of election of grace, which limits salvation to only a remnant out of mankind, and the rest made to damn justly for their sins.

 

[brightfame52]

King of the JEWS.

King of the whites.

King of the blacks.

King of the Mexican.

Think about it.

Race worship continues

 

[brightfame52]

We have seen grace may not accomplish what is desired.

2 Corinthians 6:1 (LEB) — 1 Now because we are fellow workers, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Hebrews 12:15 (LEB) — 15 Take care that no one falls short of the grace of God; that no one growing up like a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Jude 4For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:4 (LEB) — 4 You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.

Hebrews 10:29 (LEB) — 29 How much worse punishment do you think the person will be considered worthy of who treats with disdain the Son of God and who considers ordinary the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy and who insults the Spirit of grace?

Faith is left up to men who may or may not believe.

Again All of salvation is of Grace including faith and its limited to a remnant. Even Faith is limited to the elect, hence its called the Faith of Gods elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Nobody else will be given Faith to the truth save the Elect

 

[TomL]

Do you believe in salvation by grace ? Then it has to be of election of grace, which limits salvation to only a remnant out of mankind, and the rest made to damn justly for their sins.

Sorry, but grace is available for all. All, however, do not accept it.

It appears once again you have ignored what was posted.

Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

Christ death which is for all, is a matter of Grace

Hebrews 2:9 (LEB) — 9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Had you really read and considered, you would not have asked your question.

It also appears you ignored this as well.

Galatians 5:4 (LEB) — 4 You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.

Hebrews 12:15 (LEB) — 15 Take care that no one falls short of the grace of God; that no one growing up like a root of bitterness causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Jude 4 (LEB) — 4 For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.

Which shows grace does not determine man's response to it.

So why do you not accept the word of God?

 

[TomL]

Again All of salvation is of Grace including faith and its limited to a remnant. Even Faith is limited to the elect, hence its called the Faith of Gods elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Nobody else will be given Faith to the truth save the Elect

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

You left off Paul

Paul has no ability to insert or irresistibly give men faith.

Neither is Paul the source through which all men believe.

Hello

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

Sorry, but grace is available for all. All, however, do not accept it.

Thats impossible, its reserved for an elect remnant Rom 11:5-7

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Ezra 9:8

And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage

See if Grace is preached according to biblical rule, it can be a offensive doctrine. Like Love of God, its not for all Rom 9:13

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Scripture teaches Gods Mercy on men is discriminate Rom 9:18

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

 

[brightfame52]

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

You left off Paul

Paul has no ability to insert or irresistibly give men faith.

Neither is Paul the source through which all men believe.

Hello

Faith is given to Gods elect because eternal life is only promised to them. See Eternal life isnt offered, its an promised inheritance to a particular seed, the seed of Abraham Gal 3:16-18

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance here is eternal life in the New Heavenly world,

Its only for heirs Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Thats Eternal life, a Promise Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

 

[brightfame52]

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

You left off Paul

Paul has no ability to insert or irresistibly give men faith.

Neither is Paul the source through which all men believe.

Hello

You sound confused now fellow

 

[TomL]

You sound confused now fellow

You addressed nothing

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

You left off Paul

Paul has no ability to insert or irresistibly give men faith.

Neither is Paul the source through which all men of the chosen of God believe.

Hello

According to the verse Paul is for the faith of the chosen of God.

What faith was Paul for?

Who are the chosen and what were they chosen for?

Continue reading

Titus 1:5–9 (LEB) — 5 On account of this, I left you behind in Crete, in order that what remains may be set in order and you may appoint elders in every town, as I ordered you. 6 If anyone is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of dissipation or rebellious. 7 For it is necessary for the overseer to be blameless as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not violent, not greedy for dishonest gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, prudent, just, devout, self-controlled, 9 holding fast to the faithful message according to the teaching, in order that he may be able both to exhort with sound instruction and to reprove those who speak against it.

 

[brightfame52]

You addressed nothing

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

You left off Paul

Paul has no ability to insert or irresistibly give men faith.

Neither is Paul the source through which all men of the chosen of God believe.

Hello

According to the verse Paul is for the faith of the chosen of God.

What faith was Paul for?

Who are the chosen and what were they chosen for?

Continue reading

Titus 1:5–9 (LEB) — 5 On account of this, I left you behind in Crete, in order that what remains may be set in order and you may appoint elders in every town, as I ordered you. 6 If anyone is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of dissipation or rebellious. 7 For it is necessary for the overseer to be blameless as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not violent, not greedy for dishonest gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, prudent, just, devout, self-controlled, 9 holding fast to the faithful message according to the teaching, in order that he may be able both to exhort with sound instruction and to reprove those who speak against it.

Salvation is of Grace, meaning of election, there is no salvation for anyone else. And remember Grace is only for a reserved remnant.

 

[TomL]

Faith is given to Gods elect because eternal life is only promised to them. See Eternal life isnt offered, its an promised inheritance to a particular seed, the seed of Abraham Gal 3:16-18

Eternal life is promised to all who believe

John 3:15 (LEB) — 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

John 3:16 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

John 3:36 (LEB) — 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life—but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6:40 (LEB) — 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 17:3 (LEB) — 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance here is eternal life in the New Heavenly world,

Its only for heirs Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And who are the heirs and/or descendants of Abraham

See here

Genesis 17:7 (NIV84) — 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

Galatians 3:29 (LEB) — 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.

Romans 4:16–17 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,

Genesis 17:3–5 (LEB) — 3 Then Abram fell upon his face and God spoke with him, saying, 4 “As for me, behold, my covenant shall be with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 Your name shall no longer be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.

Genesis 12:1–3 (LEB) — 1 And Yahweh said to Abram, “Go out from your land and from your relatives, and from the house of your father, to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make you a great nation, and I will bless you, and I will make your name great. And you will be a blessing. 3 And I will bless those who bless you, and those who curse you I will curse. And all families of the earth will be blessed in you.”

Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”

Acts 3:25 (LEB) — 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God ordained with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring all the nations of the earth will be blessed.’

Romans 4:11–13 (LEB) — 11 And he received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness by faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he could be the father of all who believe although they are uncircumcised, so that righteousness could be credited to them, 12 and the father of those who are circumcised to those who are not only from the circumcision, but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants, that he would be heir of the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness by faith.

Gen 18:18Abraham will surely become a great and strong nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed on account of him.

Gen 26:3–4Dwell as an alien in this land, and I will be with you, and will bless you, for I will give all these lands to you and to your descendants, and I will establish the oath that I swore to Abraham your father. And I will multiply your descendants like the stars of heaven, and I will give to your descendants all these lands. And all nations of the earth will be blessed through your offspring,

Gen 28:13–14And behold, Yahweh was standing beside him, and he said, “I am Yahweh, the God of Abraham your father, and the God of Isaac. The ground on which you were sleeping I will give to you and to your descendants. Your descendants shall be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west, and to the east, and to the north and to the south. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and through your descendants.

Thats Eternal life, a Promise Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Titus 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life which God, who does not lie, promised before eternal ages,

Titus 1:1–2 (UASV) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of the chosen of God and the accurate knowledge of the truth that is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal,

Titus 1:1–2 (ESV) — 1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began

Titus 1:1–2 (NIV84) — 1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God’s elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness— 2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Titus 1:1–2 (LSB) — 1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of God’s elect and the full knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life, which the God who cannot lie promised from all eternity,

Nowhere is there any mention of unconditional election to salvation.

And yet another possibility

God gave those that were his to Christ

John 17:6 (LEB) — 6 “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word.

They would be the chosen God would give to Christ.

Paul, an apostle whose preaching God used to bring these into the faith of Christ.

There is simply nothing defining the chosen as men who were unconditionally predestined to faith before the foundation of the earth.