brightfame52
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It's indicated in the words "no man can come" that denotes inability, and it's in spiritual inability
The Incarnation disproves Total Depravity and sin nature
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civic
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nope the context disproves your view.
those who ALREADY listen and learn from the Father ( believers ) are the same ones who are drawn and come.
nothing to do with total depravity.
brightfame52
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No it doesn't it supports my view since my view is in the context duh
civic
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projecting
the ones who come are believers which contradicts TD. They already have listened and learned form the Father by their own volition.
next fallacy
brightfame52
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The listening and hearing and learning is the consequence of the drawing in verse 44 that's crystal clear
civic
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nope its the exact opposite- its the reason why they are drawn and come.
brightfame52
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No it's not, the objective is the same in verse 44 as well in verse 45 which is to come to Jesus or believe on him, so the drawing includes the means to the end which is to come to Jesus, believe on him. How can you believe on Christ before you learn about him?
civic
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nope read it- Jesus said its those who have ( past tense) listened and learned from the Father that are those same ones who are drawn and come.
brightfame52
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I've been reading it for decades sir
civic
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It contradicts your interpretation
brightfame52
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No it doesn't
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