The Importance of The Law of Moses

[synergy]

The Septuagint was made by Hellenists living in Gentile lands, but the Hebrew people of the Second Temple era had the Hebrew Scriptures by Moses and the prophets.
The Sept. was made to and for them, NOT non-Hebrews.
There is no record of any non-Hebrew in the years leading up to the Lord's birth and while He lived of claiming to be in good standing with the Jews or claiming they are in the Abraham Covenant basing that on Galatians 3:28-29.

It's just a bunch of crap.

You have difficulty understanding English. I said that the LXX was made available to the Gentiles, not that they used it in OT times. Read before you vomit out sawmen.

 

[SteveB]

And you can't answer the questions.

Oh, I was answering the questions.
You decided that you didn't want the answers you were being given.
so, why would I waste any more of your time, explaining what you don't want to know or understand?

Abraham's relationship with God was already existing when we come to Genesis 12:1.
Follow the family line from Adam to Seth....

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in ANY of the salvation covenants God made with the family of Eber and the one that's recorded is Abraham's. The seed of the woman was in the loins of Adam as Levi was in the loins of Abraham. God has ALWAYS had His people on the planet even though they hadn't been born yet. With the creation of Adam God has always had His people in existence just not born yet. By telling the serpent, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel" God providentially declares at the moment He uttered it the existence of God's Son in the womb of Eve and the loins of Adam. Prophecy is yesterday, today, and forever as Christ Jesus is yesterday, today, and forever. Remember that.

The Word of God through the prophets is to and for the Hebrew people to whom God sent His prophets in the first place. The context is always them. But the Gentile theft of Israel's inheritance even extends to taking this truth and applying it to themselves. What I Isaiah uttered and wrote was to and for the Hebrew people and terms like "world" is the Greek word - for there's no other word to identify them - understood in context to whom God's Word is sent.
"For God so loved the world...." means the "world of Hebrews." For how can there be any other identification of "world" appearing to have a "choice" to accept Jesus when they are ALREADY CONDEMNED?"

16 For God so loved the world (OF HEBREWS), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world (OF HEBREWS); but that the world (OF HEBREWS) through him might be saved.
18 He (THE HEBREWS) that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not (THE NON-HEBREW GENTILES) is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Stop right there. How can Abraham and His seed have any condemnation upon them from God's perspective, which is the perspective of the eternal, since the covenant God makes with Abraham is OF ETERNAL LIFE and Abraham cannot be both - condemned and not condemned? The plan of eternal life did not begin with the prophecy of the Promised "seed of the woman." It began in eternity - IN GOD - in the Heavenly Tabernacle when a lamb was slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (CREATION) of the world. THEN God created sinful man and from sinful man is taking out a people that lamb slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (CREATION) of the world was sacrificed for. Are you following? The election and non-election of man was already settled in the Mind of God when He contemplated His people before He created heaven, earth, and man. What does it say? "For ever, O LORD, Thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89?
This means the not condemned and the already condemned were settled in heaven before creation.
Read on:

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light [CHRIST], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jn 3:15–21.

This non-Hebrew Gentile CANNOT come to the light (CHRIST) NEITHER comes to the light (CHRIST) BECAUSE his evil deeds were already settled in heaven as non-elect to do evil deeds that God has not atoned. That's why they are already condemned.
It cannot refer to the "world of Hebrews" but the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles who have no salvation covenant made with God. There is distinction in John 3:16-21. Find it, it's there. The Scripture is always in context to the Hebrew people of God and you need to be careful with terms like "world" and "all men" etc.

That interpretation BREAKS Scripture for the holding and possession of God's Holy Word is given to the Hebrews and is in their possession. This is supported by the ways and means of the Hebrew copying of their Scripture. There are not hundreds of non-Hebrew Gentiles who copied the Hebrew Scripture to the extent they had copying the Greek texts. There are nearly 10,000 manuscripts. texts, and fragments of texts of the New Covenant writings (NT) in existence and only a handful of copies of the Hebrew Scripture in completed form. So, NO, the Word of God (Hebrew Scriptures written by Hebrews) and the New Covenant writings (written by Hebrews and Hebrew Christians) is TO and FOR the Hebrew people. God does not give that which is holy to dogs (unholy.)

As per the scattering plan of God of the Hebrew people into the "world" of Gentile lands their intermarriage, rape, concubinages, and slavery, Hebrews did have many unions with non-Hebrew Gentiles, and they are called "Gentile" and not a Hebrew/Jew [person] in the same fashion the Samaritans were called Samaritan and not a Hebrew/Jew [person] by the more full-blooded Jews. Jews did not like that Jews intermixed with Gentiles and sired a people of mixed heritage because to them God made covenant with the Hebrews and their handling of mixed heritage Hebrew/Jews was rejected by Christ in the interaction between Christ and the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4.

Where in Scripture do you find any verse that says non-Hebrew Gentiles were in ANY of the three Hebrew covenants? Go ahead and post them if you can find them. But the place to look is for the Abraham Covenant in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, and there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant mentioned or named when the covenant was made. Same with the Mosaic Covenant between God and the children of Israel. And the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah. He clearly states this covenant is between God and the Houses of both Israel and Judah. If there is any mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles, it is never mentioned in Scripture in the context of covenant, which is why having your foundation sound about what the Scripture says is extremely important when reading and studying the Hebrew Scriptures (OT/NT) else you will end up with the garbage you believe in and are breaking Scripture with.

FIND ME SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS NON-HEBREW GENTILES ARE IN ANY OF THE THREE HEBREW COVENANTS. If you can be precise and rightly divide the Scripture, then you won't find such a thing. But your ignorance and Gentile bias is pushing the envelope way, way too far.

I've been asking everyone to post their proof, but NO ONE can do it because in their heart of hearts they KNOW there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Scripture made in the same fashion as the Noah Covenant, Abraham Covenant, Mosaic Covenant, and New Covenant where God says in each of them:

8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, 9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; Gen. 9:8.

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Gen. 15:18.

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Gen. 17:2.

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, Gen. 17:4.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Gen. 17:10.

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Gen. 17:19.

21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac. Gen. 17:21.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: Exodus 19:4–5.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; Jeremiah 31:33.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. Lk 22:20.


TAKE A LOOK. THESE ARE ALL COVENANTS MADE BY GOD.

IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN SCRIPTURE PROVING GOD MAKING A COVENANT WITH NON-HEBREW GENTILES?

C'mon. Post the Scripture that says such a thing with covenant language, covenant intent, and covenant terms.

I am still waiting for your proof. I am waiting for ANYONE'S proof from Scripture God made covenant with Gentiles.

IF YOU CAN'T POST THEM THEN YOU ARE ALL LIARS. EVERYONE OF YOU THAT SAY GENTILES ARE BORN AGAIN AND SAVED.

YOU ARE ALL LIARS and GOD HATES LIARS AND GOD HATES YOU!!!

Damn liars. Every one of you.

Wow.
Impressive.
Based on your rant, I'd say that i won't be welcomed in your version of paradise.

I'll stick with YHVH's paradise.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You did not answer my question. Were they the ones who did the following. If so, where is your proof?

Ask your question.

 

[synergy]

Ask your question.

Where is your proof that they destroyed the text that they copied from?

When copies of their writings were made the text they copied from were destroyed.

 

[jeremiah1five]

From all the way back to the 3rd century BC, the OT was made available to all non-Hebrews in the form of the Septuagint (LXX). It's only when the Apostles elucidated the significance of Jesus' Life, Death, and Resurrection in Greek Text (with many references to the LXX) did the Gentile world get it.

Again, the Septuagint was written to and for the Hellenized Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. This group of people (the non-remnant that did not return) were still Abraham's seed and heirs according to the Promise. Gentiles had no interest in this circumstance which was authored by God since He was the One that first did the scattering, and second, also of doing the gathering. Nothing of the Hebrew religion was attractive to Gentiles and they had no interest in it. You see everything in Hebrew history and culture - even Hellenized culture - through Gentile bias and with a Gentile mindset which interferes with understanding the three Hebrew covenants are between God and Abraham's seed. God has no obligation to non-Hebrews and doesn't draw them nor has He provided atonement for them. For about 2,000 years after God gave Israel His Law millions and millions of Gentiles lived and died without God during this time. So much for the "God so loved the (Gentile) world" false interpretation of God's Redemptive history towards Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of God. Moses law was ceremonial--that was the law contained in ordinances, God's Law was and is eternal. We will be judged by it

It is the same thing.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Speaking of the "bunch of crap" that you said, you're still not forwarding evidence that they destroyed the text that they copied from as you claimed here:

And your evidence they kept their copies?

Jewish scribes were highly trained and followed strict rules for copying the Hebrew Bible.
The Masoretic Text, which is the standard Hebrew text of the Old Testament, is the result of centuries of meticulous copying and preservation.
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the 3rd century BC, provides evidence of the care taken by ancient Jews in preserving their scriptures.
While there might have been instances of accidental loss or destruction of individual copies, the overall goal of Jewish tradition has been to ensure the survival and accuracy of their sacred texts.

My point is that comparing the Hebrew texts and Greek texts, there is great discrepancy in the number each group authored. The Hebrew Scripture was self-contained, and it was only one people that copied the Hebrew Scripture. Gentiles like Augustine, Origen, Jerome, etc., were not the only ones copying the Greek texts. Unknowns also made copies that were mixed in with the rest in the 4th century when the canon was being developed by Gentiles. The gospel of Peter, of Judas, third Peter, and other writings are an example of Gentiles involving themselves in Hebrew Christianity.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You have difficulty understanding English. I said that the LXX was made available to the Gentiles, not that they used it in OT times. Read before you vomit out sawmen.

Jews would not make their Scripture - Hebrew or Septuagint - available to Gentiles. The Scripture may have stories of interaction with the Hebrews and Gentiles, but the Scripture is not their history and culture being preserved in it pages, it belongs to the Hebrews. And Gentiles not only hated the Hebrews, but they had no desire to "look into these things" of salvation because God had no covenant with Gentiles and He was not drawing them nor saving them.

 

[synergy]

And your evidence they kept their copies?

Jewish scribes were highly trained and followed strict rules for copying the Hebrew Bible.
The Masoretic Text, which is the standard Hebrew text of the Old Testament, is the result of centuries of meticulous copying and preservation.
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the 3rd century BC, provides evidence of the care taken by ancient Jews in preserving their scriptures.
While there might have been instances of accidental loss or destruction of individual copies, the overall goal of Jewish tradition has been to ensure the survival and accuracy of their sacred texts.

My point is that comparing the Hebrew texts and Greek texts, there is great discrepancy in the number each group authored. The Hebrew Scripture was self-contained, and it was only one people that copied the Hebrew Scripture. Gentiles like Augustine, Origen, Jerome, etc., were not the only ones copying the Greek texts. Unknowns also made copies that were mixed in with the rest in the 4th century when the canon was being developed by Gentiles. The gospel of Peter, of Judas, third Peter, and other writings are an example of Gentiles involving themselves in Hebrew Christianity.

It's interesting that the Masoretes (and their predecessors) in their seathing hatred of Christianity, ripped out all Greek OT writing from their Canon, like Maccabees. Thus, the mutilated Masoretic Text was born.

 

[synergy]

And your evidence they kept their copies?

It was your statement. Own it.

 

[synergy]

Jews would not make their Scripture - Hebrew or Septuagint - available to Gentiles. The Scripture may have stories of interaction with the Hebrews and Gentiles, but the Scripture is not their history and culture being preserved in it pages, it belongs to the Hebrews. And Gentiles not only hated the Hebrews, but they had no desire to "look into these things" of salvation because God had no covenant with Gentiles and He was not drawing them nor saving them.

The Septuagint was the OT of the Greek Speaking Diaspora Jews. It was that Bible that the Early Church used to first convert the Diaspora Jews to Christianity and then to offer support to Paul in his writings to the Gentiles throughout the Empire.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Oh, I was answering the questions.
You decided that you didn't want the answers you were being given.
so, why would I waste any more of your time, explaining what you don't want to know or understand?

Wow.
Impressive.
Based on your rant, I'd say that i won't be welcomed in your version of paradise.

I'll stick with YHVH's paradise.

I think you misunderstand. I HAVE the answers. And the cost in obtaining the answers according to my measure of faith was enormous. You wouldn't want my calling for in increasing my knowledge required great suffering.







I thinl

 

[jeremiah1five]

It's interesting that the Masoretes (and their predecessors) in their seathing hatred of Christianity, ripped out all Greek OT writing from their Canon, like Maccabees. Thus, the mutilated Masoretic Text was born.

Says you.
The Hebrews have their Scripture. And it's a good thing.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It was your statement. Own it.

It's in my pocket. I have it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Septuagint was the OT of the Greek Speaking Diaspora Jews. It was that Bible that the Early Church used to first convert the Diaspora Jews to Christianity and then to offer support to Paul in his writings to the Gentiles throughout the Empire.

No, it was the Hebrew Scripture that God used to instruct His people into the understanding of the New Covenant.
Saul never addressed his letters to non-Hebrew Gentiles. As a rabbi and Pharisee, he'd know Gentiles of the non-Hebrew kind got nothing coming to them of God.

 

[synergy]

Says you.
The Hebrews have their Scripture. And it's a good thing.

So it's a good thing to rip out whole books from the word of God according to you. That doesn't surprise me at all coming from you and your nihilistic thinking.

 

[synergy]

It's in my pocket. I have it.

Thus another one of your history-revising attempts crashes and burns

 

[synergy]

No, it was the Hebrew Scripture that God used to instruct His people into the understanding of the New Covenant.
Saul never addressed his letters to non-Hebrew Gentiles. As a rabbi and Pharisee, he'd know Gentiles of the non-Hebrew kind got nothing coming to them of God.

So all those Greek Speaking Diaspora Jews with their Greek Septuagints played no part in the planting of Christian Churches around the Empire? How stupid do you think we are?

And the fact that Paul, a Jew, wrote his letters in Greek only does not make you pause and think?

 

[jeremiah1five]

So all those Greek Speaking Diaspora Jews with their Greek Septuagints played no part in the planting of Christian Churches around the Empire? How stupid do you think we are?

And the fact that Paul, a Jew, wrote his letters in Greek only does not make you pause and think?

Saul wrote to Greek speaking Hebrews. His thinking was Hebrew in thought, and he had to translate all that into Greek which if he was writing/speaking to Hebrews there would be less problems. When you go from one language to another, things get lost in translation.

 

[SteveB]

I think you misunderstand. I HAVE the answers.

Everyone who follows Jesus, seeks the Kingdom of God and God's Righteousness, studies the Bible has God's Answer.
so you're not anything special.
you're just one of hundreds of millions of people who have the answers.

And the cost in obtaining the answers according to my measure of faith was enormous.

really?
that must have been painful.
it's my understanding that Jesus paid the price, and we get the pleasure of exploring Him, and his Word to learn.

You wouldn't want my calling for in increasing my knowledge required great suffering.

Everyone who follows Jesus has their own calling. So, no. I wouldn't want yours, any more than you'd want mine.

I thinl

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