The Importance of The Law of Moses

[SteveB]

Weird - no-goes -weird.

The Logos still IS the Word.

 

[e v e]

Christ taught to return to Eden, our promised land given by God, and lost because of adam.

Moses taught the same, which the people did not listen to and got cursed.

judaism and the law in that sense Never have ever had a thing to do with God. God's words never changed and were not once abolished by Christ. only the evil version promulgated by esau pharisees (that had never been spoken by God!) was abolished.

 

[e v e]

God came to bring His souls back to our paradise ... not to establish belief systems and laws to govern this evil current world.

 

[SteveB]

Christ taught to return to Eden, our promised land given by God, and lost because of adam.

You'll have to elaborate.
There's too much ambiguity with loaded words in that statement.

Moses taught the same, which the people did not listen to and got cursed.

Same as above.
What do these even mean?

Jesus taught to live a godly life in an ungodly world. He taught further still we're to tell others about the salvation from sin he acquired for us, teaching them to learn to live godly lives too. He further taught that it's highly likely that living such a life could get us killed.

 

[e v e]

You'll have to elaborate.
There's too much ambiguity with loaded words in that statement.

Eden (in the other reality) is God's nature... Every bit of HIS creation has His Signature... whereas compare the Nature here, as in its growing things, which hurt us with impunity. Which does not have His signature nor listens to Him.

Eden is the land given to the sons of Him, in Eden, to man. Which we lost and therefore, it was left desolated. The fall had cosmological effects in that man was the center of eden, no...

We see the two natures contrasted, in the law of sin and Death versus His Life..
The current Nature we live in including this earth and body is Sin...

we left His Nature... just as God warned, it would be Death.
And adam went ahead anyway... and brought us to this Sin Reality.

Eden is our only land. The promised land of the OT is Eden, the physical upon this fallen nature earth 'promised land' is but an archetype or foreshadowing of our restoration to our Eden ground.

Thus, Christ says not to be of this world (=earth) and to follow Him...
and to leave this world (=earth) behind... exactly what the 144k sons and daughters will do
when we leave this earth and meet Christ upon the Clouds, and have our Change.

Adam: he was responsible and neither protected eve but allowed that evil realm to speak her...
which is dominion, the attribute of Speech God gave to male... whereas the words are always feminine...
thus eve as a word of Him...
just as His Spirit is.
how can that be said?
the males are made in His Image and the girls are made in His Spirit's image...
that is our actual family. We are in the image of them, Christ and His Spirit.
Not ever were we to God like esau's invented fallen creature concept. how horrible
and so unlike God to ever view us as procreating creatures.

We lost our land, our original Nature and Body made by God and
now we are in a foreign land and body and nature...
called Death by God in Genesis. Go look at what God said to Adam..
would happen... and it did. and here we are.

Now read again what i posted in the last post:
Christ taught to return to Eden, our promised land given by God, and lost because of adam.

Same as above.
What do these even mean?

Moses never deviated from what I wrote above, since God informed him directly of this...
yet the people did not listen, listening instead to esau pharisees
(the type beings of the nature of this world) ...
so what happened to them? did they not mix with egypt then? were they not captive?
Did not almost half of the prophets of God get murdered by their esaus?

Jesus taught to live a godly life in an ungodly world.

It is not really possible to do but yes, mostly to try
and keep ourselves the least dirty possible, though not
entirely possible to do, so we can go Home to our Original
land with Him.... and not get compromised by Esau and this
world and this Nature...none of which is of Him.

He taught further still we're to tell others about the salvation from sin

But this is messed up due to the kjv..for Sin is this body and
this world we are in...and yes, there are little sins..but the point
is our souls from God are imprisoned in this underworld dungeon...
and that Christ came to get us out of it..the little sins are not the big issue...
it's the fact we are in a foreign nature and land and body NOT made by God.

he acquired for us, teaching them to learn to live godly lives too. He further taught that it's highly likely that living such a life could get us killed.

yes killed since we are not to be of this world, which is not His in the least...
and if you read all the above, and understand,
you will understand why the kjv and the bibles are corrupted,
to twist ever so much what He said,
just as the serpent did to Eve, so that no one will ever understand anything of Him
and everyone would get it backwards... an evil done on purpose
by Adam and the serpent realm.

and read again what I wrote: Moses taught the same, which the people did not listen to and got cursed.

 

[e v e]

The only covenant in effect at this moment
is the Eden covenant which is
to return to Him to our Eden ground
which Christ made possible for us
and which is Rapture of His ones soon.

and that is the meaning of being saved

 

[civic]

The Logos still IS the Word.

Amen who is Eternal.

 

[dwight92070]

The only covenant in effect at this moment
is the Eden covenant which is
to return to Him to our Eden ground
which Christ made possible for us
and which is Rapture of His ones soon.

and that is the meaning of being saved

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[e v e]

?

since we left eden , after the fall
His desire has been to get
us back to our Home ...

He declared His creation Good.

So why would He 'react' and
go 'do something else'
after satans interference

He will restore His creation
and all His eden souls.

 

[dwight92070]

Luke 16:16 Jesus said, "The Law and the Prophets were until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached ..."

So we don't have to guess when the old covenant ended and the new covenant began. Yes, Jesus said that the communion cup represented the New Covenant in His blood, which was poured out for us, for forgiveness of sins. But, given Luke 16:16, it appears that His crucifixion was not necessarily the end of the Old and the beginning of the New.

"For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

So we can see from that information why the 4 gospels are put at the beginning of the New Testament. Some here would suggest that they really belong at the end of the Old Testament - that is, that the gospels are still under the Law. That is incorrect. The Law and the Prophets were in effect until the birth of John the Baptist (or even the events leading up to his birth) and the New Covenant began at that same time.

Also the New Covenant is not the same as the Law. The New Covenant is the revealing of who the King is, in the Kingdom of God - Jesus. In the New Covenant, Jesus "explains" God the Father (and taught many other things and did many miracles)-John 1:18 In the New Covenant, the Messenger is Himself the Message.

"You search the scriptures, (i.e. the Old Covenant), because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 6:39-40 The Law and the prophets spoke of Him and prophesied about Him, but they WERE NOT HIM. On the other hand, Jesus IS THE NEW COVENANT - He sacrificed His body for all of mankind, and shed His blood for the forgiveness of the sins of all mankind. And He gave His Holy Spirit to those of us who received Him and promised them eternal life.

 

[Larry]

“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.” Jesus said the second greatest commandment was like the first; it is found in Leviticus 19:18, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” These two are the greatest because “all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37–40;

What is the Law of Moses? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Law of Moses? What is the purpose of the Law of Moses?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[dwight92070]

There does seem, however, to be an overlap period (which was the span of Jesus' life and maybe even beyond that) between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. It seems to be a "grace period" during which the people are learning that the old is vanishing away and the new is coming - Hebrews 8:13

We do see Jesus telling people to do what the Law commands, when they asked how they could inherit eternal life. Luke 18:18-21 But even if they obeyed all of the Laws (Old Covenant), Jesus tells them they still are lacking in one area: they need to be willing to give up everything in order to follow Him (New Covenant). Luke 18:22

An analogy might be: The speed limit going through the main road of Bakersville is 45 mph. But recently, the city council and mayor decided to change it to 35 mph, starting May 1. However they established a grace period of one month. So if a man is going 45 mph on May 15, the town police may stop him and warn him that if he continues to drive at that speed on June 1 or later, that he will get a ticket. But he will not get a ticket before that. On June 1 and after, the 45 mph speed limit will be permanently gone.


Also we see many commandments from the Old Covenant repeated in the New Covenant, like the one that Larry just quoted above, Matthew 22:37-40. Whenever we see those, we know that those are eternal laws or truths, that were in effect, even before the Law was given. These are called moral laws, because God's moral standards never change. However, the majority of the 613 laws of Moses do not fall into this category, which is one reason why Paul says we are no longer under the Law.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Luke 16:16 Jesus said, "The Law and the Prophets were until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached ..."

So we don't have to guess when the old covenant ended and the new covenant began. Yes, Jesus said that the communion cup represented the New Covenant in His blood, which was poured out for us, for forgiveness of sins. But, given Luke 16:16, it appears that His crucifixion was not necessarily the end of the Old and the beginning of the New.

"For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

So we can see from that information why the 4 gospels are put at the beginning of the New Testament. Some here would suggest that they really belong at the end of the Old Testament - that is, that the gospels are still under the Law. That is incorrect. The Law and the Prophets were in effect until the birth of John the Baptist (or even the events leading up to his birth) and the New Covenant began at that same time.

Also the New Covenant is not the same as the Law. The New Covenant is the revealing of who the King is, in the Kingdom of God - Jesus. In the New Covenant, Jesus "explains" God the Father (and taught many other things and did many miracles)-John 1:18 In the New Covenant, the Messenger is Himself the Message.

"You search the scriptures, (i.e. the Old Covenant), because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 6:39-40 The Law and the prophets spoke of Him and prophesied about Him, but they WERE NOT HIM. On the other hand, Jesus IS THE NEW COVENANT - He sacrificed His body for all of mankind, and shed His blood for the forgiveness of the sins of all mankind. And He gave His Holy Spirit to those of us who received Him and promised them eternal life.

The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled in Christ, and it is still important and valid to and for the born-again believer today.

Jesus not only directed a person to the Law of Moses but also instructed him to obey the Law of Moses and he would inherit eternal life. It makes no sense for Jesus to direct him to obey the Law of Moses if in a few short months the Law of Moses would be "abolished" or "obsolete." This makes no sense at all.

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Mark 10:17–22. (also: Matt. 19:16-22; Luke 18:18-23.)

#1. The man was an Israelite and the seed of Abraham. Thus, he was in the Abraham Covenant as well as the Mosaic Covenant being a child of Israel and the children of Israel were the inheritors of all the promises God gave to Abraham and to Moses as found in the Law.

#2. Jesus directed him to the Law of Moses which was the basis of his inheritance of eternal life.

#3. The man was obedient to the Law of Moses but as part of the covenants and prophecies was also required to believe and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior and Kinsman-Redeemer. The one thing he lacked was to follow Jesus the King of the Jews. There is a high probability that he was among the three thousand that were born again when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL arrived as recorded in Acts 2 and Acts 4.

#4. The Spirit of God was never promised to non-Hebrew Gentiles.

#5. This man may have walked away sorrowful because of what Jesus told him about his possessions, but it could be this man was Barnabas who had great possessions, sold land, and laid the proceeds at the feet of the apostles.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. Acts 4:34–37.

Saul says the Law of Moses directed the children of Israel to their Messiah and this is true for that was the purpose among others of the Law God gave to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:24.

And once a child of Israel was born again Saul also says the Law was profitable in the instruction of righteousness in order to live a righteous life before God.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16–17.

The word "perfect" means "complete", the very thing Jesus told the man who did everything required of the Law but what one thing the man lacked: His Messiah, Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, King of the Jews.

So, to a child of Israel and to all the children of Israel the Law of Moses also known as the Mosaic Covenant was not "abolished" or "obsolete" but was a necessary component to a Jew under the Law of Moses that directed the Jews to Christ and once born again of the Holy Spirit of Promise - part of the whole redemptive plan of God for the seed of Abraham - could now live righteous lives knowing Christ was their sacrificial substitute and through His work the children of Israel in covenant with God would find their justification and sanctification through Jesus and through Christ.

The Law of Moses and the Mosaic Covenant as a whole is not only important to the children of Israel but is the vehicle through which God saves His people the Hebrew children of Israel. Gentiles might teach lies that the Law of Moses is abolished but according to God and His Word it is the Law of Moses that God uses to bring His people into their inheritance and eternal life among other promises as found in their Scripture.