The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[civic]

The Two Natures of Jesus Christ, by Ted Johnston
Critics and inquirers alike often question a core tenet of Christian belief — that Jesus Christ is both fully God and fully human. Some claim Jesus was an exceptionally gifted man but not God. Others say he was God, only appearing to be human. Some insist that Jesus was a reincarnated angel. Others claim he did not become God until his resurrection.

These and other denials of Jesus’ full divinity or full humanity distort the testimony of Scripture. Moreover, they deny the basis of our salvation—that God took on human flesh to come and rescue us.

Jesus is fully God
An early Christian profession of faith exclaims that “Jesus Christ is Lord” (Romans 10:9). Here are two truths about Jesus. First, he is Christ, a title equivalent to the Hebrew term Messiah, meaning “the anointed one.” By calling him Christ, early Christians acknowledged that Jesus is greater than any human being (see Mark 8:27-30) and that he is the one sent by God to rescue us.

Second, though in Jewish thought the Messiah might be a great man, Christians called Jesus “Lord” (kyrios in Greek). They used this word in their translations of the Old Testament for God’s personal name (YHWH in Hebrew). Although kyrios could be used to mean master or sir, Jews and Christians refused to acknowledge the Roman emperor as “the Lord” (in an absolute sense, which is the way the emperor wanted it) because only God was “the Lord.” Yet Jesus was called Lord, even the Lord.

In Philippians 2, Jesus is said to be “in very nature God” (verse 6); and is to be worshiped as Lord: “At the name of Jesus every knee should bow … and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord” (verses 10-11). This statement paraphrases Isaiah 45:23, where God speaks of himself. God alone is to be worshiped, and when Christians call Jesus Lord, they proclaim him to be God.

The New Testament continuously insists that Jesus Christ is God:

He was God before he was born in the flesh: “In the beginning was the Word … and the Word was God” (John 1:1).
After his human birth he continued to be God. On earth, Jesus forgave sins (Mark 2:5-7), something only God can do. He claimed divinity (John 8:58) and thus equality with God (John 10:28-30). These claims led to charges of blasphemy (Matthew 26:63-66) and death by crucifixion.
After his resurrection, he continues to be God. Thomas called the risen Jesus “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28).
The author of Hebrews, quoting Psalm 104, says of Jesus, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8).
Jesus is fully human
The New Testament also insists that Jesus is in every sense a human being, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15). John wrote, “The Word became flesh” (John 1:14), and in his epistles John attacked denials of Jesus’ humanity as demonic heresy (1 John 4:1-3; 2 John 7-11).

Throughout the Gospels we see Jesus operating within the confines of human flesh. He was born of a woman and grew up in a human family. He often got tired, and he hungered. At the end of his life, suffering the excruciating pain of crucifixion, he cried out in a human way, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46).

That Jesus Christ is fully human is of great importance to us. This truth tells us that in order to save us, God became one of us. To do so he did not abandon his divinity (only God can save us), but he fully clothed himself with humanity.

This dual nature of our Savior continues as he intercedes for us in heaven: “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). Scripture thus implies that Jesus continues to be fully God and fully human—now God in glorified human flesh. Herein lies a great mystery of the Christian faith.

A great mystery and an encouraging truth
That Jesus is both God and human is a mystery beyond our limited experience. Yet no other explanation upholds all that Scripture says about Jesus Christ. Understanding this essential truth is more than an intellectual exercise. It involves appreciating the great depths of God’s love for us.

Jesus, conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a woman (Matthew 1:20), was the union of God and humankind for the express purpose of providing a Savior for us (verse 21). This Savior would have a vital and unique quality—he would be Immanuel, which means “God with us” (verses 22-23). He was indeed fully God and yet in an amazing, glorious way, he was “with us” by being fully one of us.

Jesus is fully God and fully human.

Defending the truth
Down through the centuries, leaders of the Christian church have been challenged to defend the truth of Jesus’ dual nature against beliefs to the contrary. Whatever the challenge, the Holy Spirit has eventually led the church back to the scriptural truth that Jesus is both fully God and fully human.

The church council that met in Chalcedon in A.D. 451 produced one of the most complete statements of this doctrine. It reads in part: “Our Lord Jesus Christ is one and the same God, perfect in divinity, and perfect in humanity, true God and true human … Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, manifested in two natures without any confusion, change, division or separation. The union does not destroy the difference of the two natures, but on the contrary the properties of each are kept, and both are joined in one person” (Justo L. Gonzalez, The Story of Christianity, volume 1, HarperSanFrancisco, 1984).

Though the statement employs language that may be unfamiliar to us, a careful reading indicates that it well summarizes the truth of Scripture on a topic of great consequence to all believers.

Jesus Christ’s dual nature —fully God and fully human
Jesus Christ was sent by the Father as Jesus Christ to be God revealed in the flesh for our salvation. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, fully God and fully human, two natures in one Person. Following are Scriptures that support both his divinity and his humanity.

Fully God
Isa. 9:6; Matt. 11:27; 16:16; Mark 2:5-7; Luke 5:20-22; 9:20; John 1:1; 1:14; 2:19, 21; 3:13, 31; 5:18; 6:38; 8:58; 9: 38; 10:17; 10:30; 13:3; 14:9; 14:23; 16:15; 16:28; 17:8; 17:21-23; 20:28; Romans 9:5; 1 Cor. 10:3-4; 15:47; 2 Cor. 8:9; Phil. 2:5-11; Colossians 1:15-17, 19; 2:9; 1 Tim. 1:17; 2:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:2-3, 8-11; 2:7, 9, 14, 16; 13:8; 1 John 5:20; Rev. 1:8, 17; 2:8; 3:14.

Fully human
Matt. 1:1, 18-25; 4:2; 26:38; Luke 1:26-38; 9:58; 22:44; John 1:14; 11:33-35; 19:28, 34; Romans 9:5; 1 Cor. 15:3; Gal. 4:4; Phil. 2:5-11; 1 Tim. 2:5; 3:16; Heb. 2:14-15, 17-18; 4:15; 10:5; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7.

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This is what I have been saying all along brother.

Did you read the entire article above ?

Jesus is a Divine Person not a human person according to Chalcedon and the Bible. He is a Divine Person with a human nature.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus Christ’s dual nature —fully God and fully human
Jesus Christ was sent by the Father as Jesus Christ to be God revealed in the flesh for our salvation. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, fully God and fully human, two natures in one Person. Following are Scriptures that support both his divinity and his humanity.

Do you really believe this?

 

[GeneZ]

No you have a biblical view on the 2 natures in Christ that He is the Divine Person, the Son who is the 2nd Person in the Tri-Unity of the Godhead.

Amen

No chapter and verse?..... hiding and perverse.

Not accountability to be a workman needing not to be ashamed?
Just remember the creeds... and take the people's money.

Just remember the creeds.. memorize them.
And, be a robot Christian.
No need to know what the Word of God actually tells us.

You are the New Catholicism.

 

[GeneZ]

This is what I have been saying all along brother.

Did you read the entire article above ?

Jesus is a Divine Person not a human person according to Chalcedon and the Bible. He is a Divine Person with a human nature.

You have not been saying anything other than to repeat the conclusions of others without knowing the foundation for their conclusions.

I do not know what I am talking about?

Get your running shoes on..., Here it is again... what you can not explain.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

You usually disappear for a while with that one.... And, never give a solid answer.

​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You are a phony. As God he could not increase in Wisdom!

What you can't understand is how He can be man, and simultaneously all knowing... and CHOOSE to isolate one experience from the other as to identify with the believer in sympathy. He can sympathize with the weak lame brained believer that way.

You can not back up what you claim to be true, running into huts built out of of wooden creeds that never explain how they reached their conclusions.

FYI... I am here for a reason..... So God's grace can work in my weaknesses when exposed to your unintentional taunting, eventually to make me stronger when facing such glad handed hypocrisy, and self satisfied self righteousness as so many Christians walk in today..

Not very nice words. I agree. But, truthful just the same.

 

[civic]

You have not been saying anything other than to repeat the conclusions of others without knowing the foundation for their conclusions.

I do not know what I am talking about?

Get your running shoes on..., Here it is again... what you can not explain.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

You usually disappear for a while with that one.... And, never give a solid answer.

​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You are a phony.

You can not back up what you claim to be true, running into huts made of wooden creeds that never will explain how they reached their conclusions.

I am here for a reason..... So God's grace can work in my weaknesses when exposed to your taunting, eventually to make me stronger when facing such glad handed hypocrisy, and self satisfied self righteousness..

Not very nice words. I agree. But, truthful just the same.

I’m here for truth which I can defend

 

[GeneZ]

I’m here for truth which I can defend

Then defend it. Just do not claim to do so.

Give chapter and verse that can be seen as to see how you concluded what you want us to accept without the foundation needed!

Now drop your facade and explain after asking you so many times.... with you only fading back into the woods.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You never give a solid answer.

Your last one was?

'I’m here for truth which I can defend.'

That was no defense!

I am beginning to think that fish you are holding is one of those talking fish you used to be able to buy at the Cracker Barrel.

 

[civic]

Then defend it. Just do not claim to do so.

Give chapter and verse that can be seen as to see how you concluded what you want us to accept without the foundation needed!

Now drop your facade and explain after asking you so many times.... with you only fading back into the woods.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You never give a solid answer.

Your last one was?

'I’m here for truth which I can defend.'

That was no defense!

I am beginning to think that fish you are holding is one of those talking fish you used to be able to buy at the Cracker Barrel.

You don’t understand His humanity , that’s on you making and creating a false dilemma/ dichotomy.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You usually disappear for a while with that one.... And, never give a solid answer.

​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You are a phony. As God he could not increase in Wisdom!

You have been answered many times. Your require that others MATCH your answer. You will not accept nothing less.

Jesus's body changed. He increased the capacity to express Himself through His body. This is one of the weaknesses that He experienced. God Incarnate limited in communication and the ability to express Himself because He must use HIS Human BRAIN, EYES, EARS, and etc to express Himself to other human beings.

This does not change the Personhood of Jesus Christ. He simply limited Himself.

You've witnessed it yourself. You told your friend that He could NOT be trusted with God's power because I wouldn't be here anymore......

That is true. However, Jesus never had that problem. You do. Others do. Stop trying to make Jesus just like yourself.

 

[synergy]

You have not been saying anything other than to repeat the conclusions of others without knowing the foundation for their conclusions.

I do not know what I am talking about?

Get your running shoes on..., Here it is again... what you can not explain.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

The will is an attribute of nature, not person. Even @sawdust agrees. So since Christ has 2 natures then he has 2 wills. I can see you running for your running shoes. Run GZ Run!

 

[praise_yeshua]

The will is an attribute of nature, not person. Even @sawdust agrees. So since Christ has 2 natures then he has 2 wills. I can see you running for your running shoes. Run GZ Run!

Absolutely. @GeneZ clearly stated that Jesus was a human person.

 

[civic]

Then defend it. Just do not claim to do so.

Give chapter and verse that can be seen as to see how you concluded what you want us to accept without the foundation needed!

Now drop your facade and explain after asking you so many times.... with you only fading back into the woods.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me—nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” Luke 22:42​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52).​

You never give a solid answer.

Your last one was?

'I’m here for truth which I can defend.'

That was no defense!

I am beginning to think that fish you are holding is one of those talking fish you used to be able to buy at the Cracker Barrel.

You don’t understand His humanity , that’s on you making creating a false dilemma/ dichotomy.

The will is an attribute of nature, not person. Even @sawdust agrees. So since Christ has 2 natures then he has 2 wills. I can see you running for your running shoes. Run GZ Run!

exactly @synergy

 

[civic]

Absolutely. @GeneZ clearly stated that Jesus was a human person.

Nestorian

 

[synergy]

Jesus's body changed. He increased the capacity to express Himself through His body. This is one of the weaknesses that He experienced. God Incarnate limited in communication and the ability to express Himself because He must use HIS Human BRAIN, EYES, EARS, and etc to express Himself to other human beings.

This does not change the Personhood of Jesus Christ. He simply limited Himself.

Correct. If we believe that Christ assumed human nature (Soul, Brain, Body, Human Senses, etc...) then for sure Jesus increased in wisdom and stature through those human attributes.

His Personhood remained the Uncreated Word of God but it was veiled to everyone except when it was temporarily unveiled at the Transfiguration.

 

[civic]

Correct. If we believe that Christ assumed human nature (Soul, Brain, Body, Human Senses, etc...) then for sure Jesus increased in wisdom and stature through those human attributes.

His Personhood remained the Uncreated Word of God but it was veiled to everyone except when it was temporarily unveiled at the Transfiguration.

Oh wait His Deity was absent , no glory only a man at the transfiguration rofl

 

[GeneZ]

You don’t understand His humanity , that’s on you making and creating a false dilemma/ dichotomy.

You do not understand....
Which is why you only think you do.

You are a good hider and evader of dealing with responsibility before the Lord.
That much I will grant you.

But when it come to coming out where you can be seen? And, confronting the issue with Scripture and wisdom?
You keep hidden and silent. unable to answer. In hopes my challenge will soon be forgotten by others reading.

It becomes a waste of time with you. You are a pastor. Correct? Why are you a pastor?

For you are not here to clarify the truth with understanding. You simply cite creeds and heresies as your defense.

This is the equivalent of what you do... Its almost humorous.

Note verse 7 is changed.
Its done to show how you would answer according to what you have offered here.. .


Matthew 4:5-7 (Civic style)

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:​

​

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,​

and they will lift you up in their hands,​

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”​

​

7 Jesus answered him... "The Fifth Haifa Council of Rabbis say you are wrong! ​

Or worse yet?

7 Jesus answered him... "You are creating a false concept from what you cited!" ​

........... Jesus really showed the Devil with that way? Like you do?


Civic... you don't answers to my questions with Scripture - the Word of God.
You only give vague generalities by naming heresies, or creeds.
Then only to have your sycophants giving you and each other a thumbs up...



Welcome! You are now entering the city limits of Civic world. Population 3.

 

[Johann]

You do not understand....
Which is why you only think you do.

You are a good hider and evader of dealing with responsibility before the Lord.
That much I will grant you.

But when it come to coming out where you can be seen? And, confronting the issue with Scripture and wisdom?
You keep hidden and silent. unable to answer. In hopes my challenge will soon be forgotten by others reading.

It becomes a waste of time with you. You are a pastor. Correct? Why are you a pastor?

For you are not here to clarify the truth with understanding. You simply cite creeds and heresies as your defense.

This is the equivalent of what you do... Its almost humorous.

Note verse 7 is changed.
Its done to show how you would answer according to what you have offered here.. .


Matthew 4:5-7 (Civic style)

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. ​

6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:​

​

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,​

and they will lift you up in their hands,​

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”​

​

7 Jesus answered him... "The Fifth Haifa Council of Rabbis say you are wrong! ​

Or worse yet?

7 Jesus answered him... "You are creating a false concept from what you cited!" ​

........... Jesus really showed the Devil with that way? Like you do?


Civic... you don't answers to my questions with Scripture - the Word of God.
You only give vague generalities by naming heresies, or creeds.
Then only to have your sycophants giving you and each other a thumbs up...



Welcome! You are now entering the city limits of Civic world. Population 3.

Why so harsh brother?

 

[synergy]

You do not understand....
Which is why you only think you do.

You are a good hider and evader of dealing with responsibility before the Lord.
That much I will grant you.

But when it come to coming out where you can be seen? And, confronting the issue with Scripture and wisdom?
You keep hidden and silent. unable to answer. In hopes my challenge will soon be forgotten by others reading.

It becomes a waste of time with you. You are a pastor. Correct? Why are you a pastor?

For you are not here to clarify the truth with understanding. You simply cite creeds and heresies as your defense.

This is the equivalent of what you do... Its almost humorous.

Note verse 7 is changed.
Its done to show how you would answer according to what you have offered here.. .


Matthew 4:5-7 (Civic style)

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. ​

6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:​

​

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,​

and they will lift you up in their hands,​

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”​

​

7 Jesus answered him... "The Fifth Haifa Council of Rabbis say you are wrong! ​

Or worse yet?

7 Jesus answered him... "You are creating a false concept from what you cited!" ​

........... Jesus really showed the Devil with that way? Like you do?


Civic... you don't answers to my questions with Scripture - the Word of God.
You only give vague generalities by naming heresies, or creeds.
Then only to have your sycophants giving you and each other a thumbs up...



Welcome! You are now entering the city limits of Civic world. Population 3.

Posts 267 to 274 are all replies clearly showing you how heretical are your Nestorian beliefs. You have not offered even one valid counterargument to any of our replies, just something about "the Fifth Haifa Council of Rabbis", whatever that is.

 

[synergy]

Why so harsh brother?

GZ is just sore that Posts 267 to 274 have all exposed just how heretical are is Nestorian beliefs.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Why so harsh brother?

Do you believe Christ is a human person?

 

[GeneZ]

Why so harsh brother?

Its not really harshness... Its demanding an answer when he claims to have an answer that he will never produce..

Continuously he refused to be truthful, and only offered sidestepping an issue. One that he claims to know better than you do,
but can not explain why. Its like someone who keeps stepping in front of you as you wish to walk down a sidewalk.

"Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices ​

and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the ​

image of its Creator." Colossians 3:9-10​

He keeps denying giving the knowledge he needs to use to make his broad brushed claims to be true.

He might as well be telling me.... "My pastor says you are wrong." (and, leave it at that)