The Gospel Of Salvation

[jeremiah1five]

God did

Gentiles did not God. But God allowed Gentiles to collect Hebrew writings. How is it they also stole Israel's promises and inheritance?

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:3–5.

The passage above covers the totality of God's salvation/redemption of the Hebrew people and none of the above is given to non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Christ was Promised to the Hebrew people (Deut. 18:15, 18) and Christ appeared to the Hebrew people (John 1:31), and Christ Himself declares to whom He was sent:

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt. 15:24.

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Jacob/Israel.

The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah - NOT Gentiles (Jer. 31:31-34.)

Yes, and this covenant has not been ratified yet. Paul lets us know in romans 11. that the redeemer, which will come out of Zion and which all Israel will repent and be saved is yet future

The ratification was made when the Holy Spirit came down and set His seal upon the twelve tribes of Israel through the baptizing into the body of Christ. This is the salvation experience.... being born-again.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Law shuts EVERY mouth so that the WHOLE world stands guilty before God.



Mhm.

That's right. But what came after?
Grace.
And grace for the people in covenant with God: Abraham and Abraham's seed, a people identified as the children of Jacob/Israel. All twelve tribes plus one.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Since CHRIST Breathed in us His Life, should we not breath out the Gospel to the very end.

On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”

I ask this question for one reason . And you watch as you ask others how they answer it .
so i ask the question to you .
If a man comes and cliams to love GOD CHRIST TRUTH
and his neighbor
IF said man does not love that which is written in the scriptures
IS that man a solider of the LIVING GOD , or has HE decieved HIMSELF as is but an agent of darkness
who still be in darkness and yet says I SEE , I have the light , but has DECIEVED his own self .
In other words can a man truly have the LOVE OF GOD upon his heart
IF said man sure seems to twist , to omit things written IN THE BIBLE . can a man love GOD and hate truth .
I AM SURE you gonna answer right . but i asked it for all to see the response . that man liveth not by bread alone
but loveth and liveth by EVERY WORD of GOD . IF a man hates the words of GOD , believe you me THEY HATE THE WORD OF GOD
and if they hate the WORD of GOD they hate JESUS and if they hate JESUS THEY DO HATE GOD . pretty simple if ya ask me .

 

[praise_yeshua]

The ancestry of the woman (Mary) is given to prove the God-man's humanity. It is through Joseph that legal status is established (Matthew.) That's why Jesus' ancestry is found in a gospel history containing the most Old Testament passages of all the texts collected. It was to prove Jesus as being the rightful heir of David and the Davidic promises through Joseph (Solomon), not Mary (Nathan.) Mary would have no real status until she married Joseph. It was all in the family through the tribe of Judah.

Not entirely true. However, Jesus was certain of mixed descent. Nothing you said or studied from your pope or rabbi changes this.

The line of Shem/Hebrews is not "pure" as YOU see it...... in humanity in the line of Judah that produced Mary. I didn't even mention Ruth.

So try again. Go for it. Show again how you're lacking in knowledge and understanding.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Rev. 3:9 identifies Gentiles who claim to be Abraham's seed through misinterpreting Galatians 3:28-29, which is what they claim today. Gentiles (non-Hebrews) do not and never come from the seed of Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah.)

I don't see the word Gentile anywhere in Rev 3:9..... Keep trying. You're failing miserably.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Law was given to the twelve tribes of Israel - NOT Gentiles.

Never said it was. You're trying to break the law apart into 4 principles. You're are contradicting yourself. You're failing miserably. The law is not divided. It is One as God is one. Be consistent. Stop showing your hypocrisy.

Everyone like you does... it happens over and over again. You believe there are second class/lesseer children in the family of God.

There is only HEAD of this family. It is Jesus Christ.

There is only one HEAD of this body. It is Jesus Christ alone.

There is only ONE that matters and Jesus Christ doesn't lie. You do.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[DavidTree]

I ask this question for one reason . And you watch as you ask others how they answer it .
so i ask the question to you .
If a man comes and cliams to love GOD CHRIST TRUTH
and his neighbor
IF said man does not love that which is written in the scriptures
IS that man a solider of the LIVING GOD , or has HE decieved HIMSELF as is but an agent of darkness
who still be in darkness and yet says I SEE , I have the light , but has DECIEVED his own self .
In other words can a man truly have the LOVE OF GOD upon his heart
IF said man sure seems to twist , to omit things written IN THE BIBLE . can a man love GOD and hate truth .
I AM SURE you gonna answer right . but i asked it for all to see the response . that man liveth not by bread alone
but loveth and liveth by EVERY WORD of GOD . IF a man hates the words of GOD , believe you me THEY HATE THE WORD OF GOD
and if they hate the WORD of GOD they hate JESUS and if they hate JESUS THEY DO HATE GOD . pretty simple if ya ask me .

JESUS Says: "If you love me keep My commandments"

Notice that the 1st Commandment is to love God with all our heart mind soul and strength = Love JESUS and you Love the FATHER

2nd is to love our neighbors as ourselves, therefore we must be loving to others = How can we love God who we cannot see if we hate our brother who is made in the image of God.

3rd Truth = God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance.

Conclusion:
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Pray for our families and neighbors and even enemies that God would grant His Grace for them just as He did for us.
Remember Stephen and Saul

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not entirely true. However, Jesus was certain of mixed descent. Nothing you said or studied from your pope or rabbi changes this.

The line of Shem/Hebrews is not "pure" as YOU see it...... in humanity in the line of Judah that produced Mary. I didn't even mention Ruth.

So try again. Go for it. Show again how you're lacking in knowledge and understanding.

I don't deny the genetics of non-Hebrew persons in Jesus' bloodline. According to Hebrew culture and customs there are instructions with regard to non-Hebrews taking on the God of Abraham as their God and it threads itself through the man, not the woman.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't see the word Gentile anywhere in Rev 3:9..... Keep trying. You're failing miserably.

There are Hebrews and there are non-Hebrews, and the predominant theology of non-Hebrews today is to use Galatians 3:28-29 as their base for claiming to being Abraham's seed. They are "of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie is all I am saying. Those who are not Jew can only refer to non-Jewish Gentiles. There's no two ways about it. Revelation 3:9 is referring to them who claim they are Jews and are not.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Never said it was. You're trying to break the law apart into 4 principles. You're are contradicting yourself. You're failing miserably. The law is not divided. It is One as God is one. Be consistent. Stop showing your hypocrisy.

Everyone like you does... it happens over and over again. You believe there are second class/lesseer children in the family of God.

There is only HEAD of this family. It is Jesus Christ.

There is only one HEAD of this body. It is Jesus Christ alone.

There is only ONE that matters and Jesus Christ doesn't lie. You do.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Those Scripture passages refer to Jews, not Gentiles. And anywhere "Gentiles" are mentioned can only refer to mixed heritage Hebrews who although of mixed heritage they are still Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promises. God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. Scripture cannot be broken so the theology and belief non-Hebrew Gentiles are born of Hebrew descent is a lie, because again, God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and so non-Hebrew Gentiles are not heirs according to the promises God gave to Abraham and later to his seed.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I don't deny the genetics of non-Hebrew persons in Jesus' bloodline. According to Hebrew culture and customs there are instructions with regard to non-Hebrews taking on the God of Abraham as their God and it threads itself through the man, not the woman.

Then make the case to ignore Judaism's requirements of a Hebrew mother.

All this bluster from you and you fold like a dish rag.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There are Hebrews and there are non-Hebrews, and the predominant theology of non-Hebrews today is to use Galatians 3:28-29 as their base for claiming to being Abraham's seed. They are "of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie is all I am saying. Those who are not Jew can only refer to non-Jewish Gentiles. There's no two ways about it. Revelation 3:9 is referring to them who claim they are Jews and are not.

I claim seed (singular) in the sole heir of Abraham. Jesus Christ. I don't claim Abraham's seed. I am a joint heir with Christ.

Get it right if you're going to make an argument against what I believe.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Those Scripture passages refer to Jews, not Gentiles. And anywhere "Gentiles" are mentioned can only refer to mixed heritage Hebrews who although of mixed heritage they are still Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promises. God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. Scripture cannot be broken so the theology and belief non-Hebrew Gentiles are born of Hebrew descent is a lie, because again, God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and so non-Hebrew Gentiles are not heirs according to the promises God gave to Abraham and later to his seed.

No. You and James both try to produce a compromise that doesn't work within the context of the law. The law is much more than 4 principles. The entire Torah details the law. It came from Moses...... The Torah came from MOSES....

Surely you know this. In Jesus Christ, I am heir of all things. Abraham looked for the new Jerusalem from God....

Pay attention. Abraham knew his seed in Isaac wasn't enough in Isaac himself. He looked for his Eternal heir. God in flesh.

For a Trinitarian, you don't really know the teaching at all....

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Do you notice that "sojourn" Abraham made? Abraham already had Salem. He gave a tenth of the spoils to the King of Salem. A King of Gentiles.....

You know the teaching of Judaism.... right?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No. You and James both try to produce a compromise that doesn't work within the context of the law. The law is much more than 4 principles. The entire Torah details the law. It came from Moses...... The Torah came from MOSES....

Surely you know this. In Jesus Christ, I am heir of all things. Abraham looked for the new Jerusalem from God....

Pay attention. Abraham knew his seed in Isaac wasn't enough in Isaac himself. He looked for his Eternal heir. God in flesh.

For a Trinitarian, you don't really know the teaching at all....

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Do you notice that "sojourn" Abraham made? Abraham already had Salem. He gave a tenth of the spoils to the King of Salem. A King of Gentiles.....

You know the teaching of Judaism.... right?

Abraham also believed in the land promise, you agree right? Just asking

 

[praise_yeshua]

Abraham also believed in the land promise, you agree right? Just asking

The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof and all they that dwell therein......

I'm not a Zionist. I believe the Jerusalem of God doesn't have anything to do with a Gentile city built by the hands of men. In the OT it is referenced by the name "Salem".

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham wasn't looking for Salem. He was looking for the heavenly city Jerusalem......

Jesus Christ owns that land in the Middle East. Jesus will rule and reign. All the children of Jesus Christ will be included in such.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Abraham also believed in the land promise, you agree right? Just asking

Just to be clear. I'm not against a literal state of Israel. I'm for that. Israel is a good ally of many things that are good.

My issue is with believing in a physical manifestation of a moral Israel that is somehow preferred in the eyes of God.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof and all they that dwell therein......

I'm not a Zionist. I believe the Jerusalem of God doesn't have anything to do with a Gentile city built by the hands of men. In the OT it is referenced by the name "Salem".

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham wasn't looking for Salem. He was looking for the heavenly city Jerusalem......

Jesus Christ owns that land in the Middle East. Jesus will rule and reign. All the children of Jesus Christ will be included in such.

I am speaking of the gentile city which was given to the children of Isreal. promised in the abrahamic covenant. But not just the city, the whole land God promised in gen 15

Abraham looked for a greater land amen, A heavenly one. But remember, he was also told he would never recieve the earthly land, because the sin of the Amorite was not yet complete.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Just to be clear. I'm not against a literal state of Israel. I'm for that. Israel is a good ally of many things that are good.

My issue is with believing in a physical manifestation of a moral Israel that is somehow preferred in the eyes of God.

I would not agree with this either

I just believe God gave Israel a plot of land. And they he will restor them to that land and he will rule from that land on the throne of David.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I would not agree with this either

I just believe God gave Israel a plot of land. And they he will restor them to that land and he will rule from that land on the throne of David.

I figured you wouldn't. I once believed the same a long time ago.

Question. Will Christ have former Gentiles with Him that will rule along side with Him?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am speaking of the gentile city which was given to the children of Isreal. promised in the abrahamic covenant. But not just the city, the whole land God promised in gen 15

Abraham looked for a greater land amen, A heavenly one. But remember, he was also told he would never recieve the earthly land, because the sin of the Amorite was not yet complete.

This earth will pass away with a fervent heat and the elements be dissolved.

The sins that bind all of creation will one day vanish in the destruction of the sky and earth. This planet will pass away. We look for new heavens and new earth. What was the sin of the Amorites?