The Gospel Of Salvation

[Eternally-Grateful]

You are looking at the Hebrew writings with a Gentile mindset. Tell me, was the NT written by Gentiles?

Acts was written in the greek, By Luke,

I was not looking at OT writings

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you actually think and believe that "Gentiles" in the NT actually refers to non-Hebrews?
Where in the Old Testament Hebrew Scripture does God make promises to save non-Hebrews?

so I guess Nineveh, was a jewish nation not gentile?

Remember, Scripture cannot be broken. So, show me in the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures, the Scripture that Jesus said "cannot be broken" where God made a covenant or promises to non-Hebrew Gentiles. There are only three covenants of salvation importance: The Abraham, Mosaic, and New Covenants. If you are honest with Scripture then tell me where in the Old Testament Hebrew Scripture where God makes covenant with "non-Hebrew Gentiles"?

The Abraham Covenant is found in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. It says clearly that this covenant is between God, Abraham, and Abraham's Hebrew seed/descendants (Gen. 17:6-7.)

Actually the very covenant said that through abraham all the nations (gentiles) of the world will be blessed

The Mosaic Covenant brought in by Moses is between God and the children of Israel in the desert. God even gave them instruction to build a Tabernacle fashioned after a heavenly Tabernacle. What do you supposed took place in this heavenly Tabernacle?

The mosaic covenant was between Go9d and Israel. but not concerning eternal salvation. And gentiles could enter this covenant (King David's grandmother was a gentile)

The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

The covenant of abraham is for all men of the earth.

Not just jews but gentiles

Where in these three covenants does God promise to save "Gentiles?"

I already showed you where the abrahamic covenant was given to the world.

Gen 12:
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

PS Abraham was a gentile. Noah was a gentile

Adam and eve were gentiles

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Two questions.

Who authored the NT writings: Jews or Gentiles?

To whom were these writings addressed to?

God

to where where they written to?

It depends

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The "mixed-heritage Hebrews in the NT were called "Gentile" the same that mixed heritage Jews were called "Samaritan" and not "Jew."

the term gentile meant non jew or non Israel

in the OT there was Isreal and there were the rest of the nations (gentiles)

Honestly. I am new here and do not want to get into it with someone. But you seem to have issues, which I can not help anyway. so

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

WHO put the scrolls together and called it the "New Testament?" Gentiles.

God did

But the New Testament is not 27 writings, but a covenant ordained by God.
THIS IS the New Testament/Covenant:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: For they shall all know me, From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: For I will forgive their iniquity, And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

Verse 31ff is the New Covenant/Testament, NOT 27 writings.

Yes, and this covenant has not been ratified yet. Paul lets us know in romans 11. that the redeemer, which will come out of Zion and which all Israel will repent and be saved is yet future

 

[jeremiah1five]

What are you, a Calvinist? Of course there is an offer of salvation. All day long he stretches out his hands.

To WHO does He stretch out His hand to?
To Israel.

What. His salvation reaches to the ends of the earth. I recommend reading Romans 10 and 11.

Again, salvation is of the Jews. That's all.

I believe it is to reflect the Triune nature of God, but this is another topic altogether.
I AM the seed of Abraham, and his promise applies to ME.

What tribe do you belong?

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:28-29 NKJ)

You are in grave error, and I recommend you start being "honest" with this Scripture.

Again, Saul is addressing Jews, NOT Gentiles. Gentiles are NOT the seed of Abraham and Sarah.
Gentiles are the seed of Ham and Japheth.
Shem is a descendant of Eber who is the father of the Hebrew people.

Look at the text. Interpret accordingly.

23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster (THE LAW).
26 For ye [Jews] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye [STILL Jews and] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:23–29.

The ONLY PEOPLE that can claim to be heirs of the Abrahamic Promises are JEWS.
Gentiles were never under the Law (schoolmaster.)
So, get your doctrine in line with Scripture.

 

[Dizerner]

Gentiles were never under the Law (schoolmaster.)

The Law shuts EVERY mouth so that the WHOLE world stands guilty before God.

So, get your doctrine in line with Scripture.

Mhm.

 

[dwight92070]

the term gentile meant non jew or non Israel

in the OT there was Isreal and there were the rest of the nations (gentiles)

Honestly. I am new here and do not want to get into it with someone. But you seem to have issues, which I can not help anyway. so

"But you seem to have issues,"

That's an understatement.

 

[Dizerner]

But you seem to have issues, which I can not help anyway. so

There is some spiritually strange and aberrant people on here, consider it a mission field.

Like a deep dark corner of Africa.

Lol.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

There is some spiritually strange and aberrant people on here, consider it a mission field.

Like a deep dark corner of Africa.

Lol.

The question is how to deal with them.

Keep pounding on a dead horse. Or wipe the dust of your feat and keep a close eye on this situation, and if a younger person seems to struggle with it. Then chime in..

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes.

If anyone questioned that I would question whether they were truly born again.

Scary thing.

I think you need to reassess that position being that each letter taken separately in the 55 years it took in their writing was never meant to become part of a collection that Gentiles would 300 years later push upon the world as a testament in its own right. The reason of the "gathering scrolls" was due to the persecution of Jewish Christians being persecuted for possessing texts the authorities tried to destroy as a means of trying to destroy Christianity, who they saw as a sect of Judaism.

Understanding how these texts became a "book" was not for the purpose of making a book but for trying to retain some early history of the sixty years after Jesus' ascension. That's all. It was Gentile advertising that made these texts become something they were never meant to be and that is equal standing as the Hebrew Scripture was to the Jews. Gentile "Christians" needed to authenticate their presence in the world of politics and religion not fully realizing that once the Jewish Temple was destroyed the Church Christ promised to build was halted in order to allow the world of Gentiles to increase and the true Church of Christ to decrease and blinded according to the plan of God. The bottom line being that it was the Jews who brought Christianity forward as the true Church of the twelve tribes of Israel in keeping with the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets since Jesus of Nazareth was the accepted Jewish Messiah of the Hebrew people and the conclusion of God's plan for His elect which began with Abraham and the Abrahamic promises.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Nonsense. Paul was the only Hebrew of Hebrews descendent that wrote anything in the NT.

Even at the time of Christ, your preference in those you believe to be the "child of a "Jewish" woman" is ridiculous. Tamar and Ruth both were gentiles.

You're a charlatan.

So come on.... lets have that argument. You need to be exposed to newer forum members.

The ancestry of the woman (Mary) is given to prove the God-man's humanity. It is through Joseph that legal status is established (Matthew.) That's why Jesus' ancestry is found in a gospel history containing the most Old Testament passages of all the texts collected. It was to prove Jesus as being the rightful heir of David and the Davidic promises through Joseph (Solomon), not Mary (Nathan.) Mary would have no real status until she married Joseph. It was all in the family through the tribe of Judah.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We need a DNA test for all these "Jews" around here claiming to be a "Jew" and are not...... The Scriptures are clear.

To the church of/at Attalus Philadelphus

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev. 3:9 identifies Gentiles who claim to be Abraham's seed through misinterpreting Galatians 3:28-29, which is what they claim today. Gentiles (non-Hebrews) do not and never come from the seed of Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

WOW... 4 principles of the law and you're making an argument relative to the law itself?

You really are a messed up Gentile. You don't understand Judaism nor the Torah.

The Law was given to the twelve tribes of Israel - NOT Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Actually yes it is. It used 2 different english words to interpret 2 different greek words. not one like the authorized version did



this is what I said

sorry, But you are now falsely accusing me, I may be new, But I am not unlearned

Your understanding of "allos" is in error. But before I correct you on that tell me without using AI and searching the answer what "another" gospel was Saul referring to and compared to what?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Judah of course, lol.

I presume every so-called Gentile who claims to be Christian comes from Judah.

What proof do you have that you are descendant of the physical/natural tribe of Judah?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Acts was written in the greek, By Luke,

I was not looking at OT writings

Luke may have been Hebrew raised influenced by Greek culture in Gentile land, but He was not Gentile.
God never gave the "oracles of God" to Gentiles. Only the Hebrew people were custodians and authors of His Holy Word.

 

[jeremiah1five]

so I guess Nineveh, was a jewish nation not gentile?

It doesn't matter. God destroyed that people so completely that in order to learn of their location you have to dig.

Actually the very covenant said that through abraham all the nations (gentiles) of the world will be blessed

You forget Abraham also had Ishmael and Isaac had Esau, and since they were "seed" of Abraham they were blessed just the same as promised by God. But you don't get a Gentile from two Hebrew parents. Gentiles were already existing through the seed of Ham and Japheth.

The mosaic covenant was between Go9d and Israel. but not concerning eternal salvation. And gentiles could enter this covenant (King David's grandmother was a gentile)

And the sacrifice of the animal didn't prefigure Christ's sacrifice? And never did any high priest offer sacrifices for the Gentile nations, and Jesus as High Priest didn't sacrifice Himself for Gentiles, but for His people (Matt. 1:21), which is why Saul wrote:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

God made no covenant with Gentiles and Gentiles are not atoned. Mixed-heritage Hebrews are still the seed of Abraham and in covenant with God. Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman (mixed heritage) proves this. And also note that because they were mixed heritage Hebrews the Jews didn't call them "Jew" but Samaritan the same that mixed heritage Hebrews in the NT are called "Gentile" by Jews and not "Jew." These were Hebrews who were not among the remnant that returned with Nehemiah. The remnant (10%) of total Jews living at the time did return with Nehemiah while the majority (90%) of Jews didn't but remained in Gentile lands intermarrying with Gentiles and heavily influenced by Greek culture. Still, they are Abraham's seed no matter the dilution of their DNA. God knows who His people are.

The covenant of abraham is for all men of the earth.

Scripture please. Oh, you think "nations" refers to Gentiles? Tell me...how can a non-Hebrew Gentile be born to two Hebrew parents?

Not just jews but gentiles

I already showed you where the abrahamic covenant was given to the world.

Gen 12:
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Context. The "families" are the descendants of Abraham. God blessed HIS SEED and Gentiles do not come from the seed of Abraham.

PS Abraham was a gentile. Noah was a gentile

13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; Gen. 14:13.

Abram was Hebrew from the family of Eber from whom the Hebrew people come from.

Adam and eve were gentiles

Gentiles did not come into existence until much later after Abraham. God separated the peoples that were obedient to Him (seed of the woman) and those that were not obedient to Him (seed of the serpent.)
They were called Adamites, not Gentile. Gentile came about through God making covenant with Abram the Hebrew and He sealed that separation with the sign of circumcision.

Your problem is you try to interpret Hebrew Scripture, history, and culture as well as their religion with a Gentile mindset. When you do that, you end up with error.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God

to where where they written to?

It depends

If your answer is "it depends" then you don't know.

The Word of God was given to the Hebrew people. They were the custodians and author of the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets, and the Hebrew Scripture was written by Hebrews to and for other Hebrews. It's their covenant. Leave them to what belongs to them by God and stop trying to steal their inheritance.

Moses was from the tribe of Levi. He wrote the Pentateuch.
The Psalms were written by Hebrews (Asaph, Solomon, David, etc.)
The Prophets were Hebrew from various tribes, and they were sent by God to the Hebrew people with varying messages.

There's your answer.

The New Covenant writings of Matthew to Revelation was written by Jews to and for other Jews. If God never made covenant with Gentiles, there is no reason to give them His Holy Word to an unholy and unatoned people.
Hebrews were the custodians and authors of the Scripture (Word of God.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

the term gentile meant non jew or non Israel

If that's true and your understanding, then how do you get a non-Hebrew Gentile from two Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah)?

in the OT there was Isreal and there were the rest of the nations (gentiles)

Honestly. I am new here and do not want to get into it with someone. But you seem to have issues, which I can not help anyway. so

Learn something. You should only focus on Scripture and leave Gentile-biased commentaries and theologians alone.
They permeate present world history but when the two witnesses from Revelation appear they will be sent to Israel and will clear up a great deal of Gentile-based false theology in the world. Until they show up focus on the Hebrew Scripture and know one thing from which all your theology should come from:

God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.